JohnH,
"D70" That explains it!!! :-)
Paul

"JohnH" wrote in message
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It was a present from the wife. A Nikon D70 with the 28-70mm zoom.
It's sold as the Nikon D70 outfit.

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John H

Doug,
I can understand how you feel. I work as an electrician, for Ford at the
Romeo Engine Plant. I hired in the in 1989. Since we were building the
engine plant we went to a lot of classes. We learned that Ford changed its
way of doing business because of the Japanese. What you say is completely
true and very embarrassing. They're whole focus was on numbers, we've since
learnt different. Today quality is the first priority. Anyone can stop the
line if something is wrong. No we're not perfect but we sure as hell are
trying. The union has a quality rep that you can call if you feel quality is
being ignored. A lot of the members of upper management in the plant come
and go as they move up the ladder. But we as members of an engine building
team will either prosper or fail with this plant are here for the long term.
The product that we deliver to you determines our future. I assure you that
the majority of us are very concerned with quality. Doug, I appo;igize about
the past and hope you check us out in the future.
Paul

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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How can you not understand? Millions of people got ****ed up the ass by
the American car makers. Those memories don't fade for many, many years.
Toyota offers cars that are damned close to perfect. Unless you require a
"niche car" like the one you bought, why gamble with an American car?

My brother in law used to bitch at me about how I was costing Americans
jobs by buying Japanese. My response was simple: My second Ford was in the
shop 5 times in the first year (1975). My boss read me the riot act: Find
a way to get to work, or work somewhere else. In other words, the Ford was
about to cost me MY job. When it finally died, I bought a Toyota. My
logic: If American engineers can't build a car correctly, they deserve to
lose their jobs.

It's an interesting phenomenon in America: Pick 10 products, one of them
being a cars. For each product, ask 10,000 people what should happen to
the manufacturers of those products if they're poorly built for years on
end. For 9 of the products, people will say what they should: The
manufacturers should go out of business. For cars, they'll cut the
manufacturers a ridiculous amount of slack. It's as if cars have some sort
of religious status. I makes no sense at all.

Harry,
That's because they has "Lucas" Princess of Darkness.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I prefer sports cars with a little flair...
Like old Jags or Healeys, or a Fiat Abarth...they run at least half the
time and look good on the side of the road with the bonnet raised!

"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Harry,
That's because they has "Lucas" Princess of Darkness.
Paul

Hi Paul:

That's the truth! Many years ago, I owned a Vauxhall Victor Rally Car and
that damn car never ran more than 100 kilometers in the rain without
something in the electric parts system quitting. It was the worst car that
I have ever owned.
I now have a Chevy TrailBlazer and I just love it.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

Harry,
I've seen ads in car magazines ( Motor Trend, Car & Driver) for a
XKE replica made in the States with a 283 Chevy engine. Might be something
to look into.
Paul

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I've been looking at a very good E-Type replica made in Australia, and
when I say very good, I mean that. Actually, it is better than the E-Type
in many mechanical ways.

Take a look:

http://www.temperocars.com/

Take a look at the D Jag on that site..I love it.

On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 17:56:54 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

Southern Tier Rivers - Warmer temperatures and rain have cleared out much
of the flow ice from the rivers. If you can get out in a boat, vertical
jigging with a medium sized minnow in the deeper holes should be very
productive for walleye. Casting a jig and minnow from shore should also work
well in the coming days.


Doug, today I was behind three Mustangs on different occasions. I
noticed nothing remarkable. Perhaps I'm just brain addled. Or, perhaps
*I'm* not.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

I almost did buy one two years ago - a Crown Victoria, since I wanted a rear
wheel drive car for towing. I would've preferred that car to my pickup truck
because the gas mileage was about 25% better. But then, I read about the
feature that wasn't in the brochu The thing about the exploding gas tank
and rear-end collisions. I realize other cars may have this problem, but
that fact had no bearing on my decision. I may look again in the future, but
only after finding out if the issue has been dealt with. Police departments
are happy to dispense this information.



"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote in message
...
Doug,
I can understand how you feel. I work as an electrician, for Ford at
the Romeo Engine Plant. I hired in the in 1989. Since we were building the
engine plant we went to a lot of classes. We learned that Ford changed its
way of doing business because of the Japanese. What you say is completely
true and very embarrassing. They're whole focus was on numbers, we've
since learnt different. Today quality is the first priority. Anyone can
stop the line if something is wrong. No we're not perfect but we sure as
hell are trying. The union has a quality rep that you can call if you feel
quality is being ignored. A lot of the members of upper management in the
plant come and go as they move up the ladder. But we as members of an
engine building team will either prosper or fail with this plant are here
for the long term. The product that we deliver to you determines our
future. I assure you that the majority of us are very concerned with
quality. Doug, I appo;igize about the past and hope you check us out in
the future.
Paul

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

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How can you not understand? Millions of people got ****ed up the ass by
the American car makers. Those memories don't fade for many, many years.
Toyota offers cars that are damned close to perfect. Unless you require a
"niche car" like the one you bought, why gamble with an American car?

My brother in law used to bitch at me about how I was costing Americans
jobs by buying Japanese. My response was simple: My second Ford was in
the shop 5 times in the first year (1975). My boss read me the riot act:
Find a way to get to work, or work somewhere else. In other words, the
Ford was about to cost me MY job. When it finally died, I bought a
Toyota. My logic: If American engineers can't build a car correctly, they
deserve to lose their jobs.

It's an interesting phenomenon in America: Pick 10 products, one of them
being a cars. For each product, ask 10,000 people what should happen to
the manufacturers of those products if they're poorly built for years on
end. For 9 of the products, people will say what they should: The
manufacturers should go out of business. For cars, they'll cut the
manufacturers a ridiculous amount of slack. It's as if cars have some
sort of religious status. I makes no sense at all.

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:25:38 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

JohnH,
"D70" That explains it!!! :-)
Paul

"JohnH" wrote in message
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It was a present from the wife. A Nikon D70 with the 28-70mm zoom.
It's sold as the Nikon D70 outfit.

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John H


It's a great camera. I'd recommend it to anyone.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:
I almost did buy one two years ago - a Crown Victoria, since I wanted a
rear wheel drive car for towing. I would've preferred that car to my
pickup truck because the gas mileage was about 25% better. But then, I
read about the feature that wasn't in the brochu The thing about the
exploding gas tank and rear-end collisions. I realize other cars may have
this problem, but that fact had no bearing on my decision. I may look
again in the future, but only after finding out if the issue has been
dealt with. Police departments are happy to dispense this information.



"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote in message
...

Doug,
I can understand how you feel. I work as an electrician, for Ford at
the Romeo Engine Plant. I hired in the in 1989. Since we were building
the engine plant we went to a lot of classes. We learned that Ford
changed its way of doing business because of the Japanese. What you say
is completely true and very embarrassing. They're whole focus was on
numbers, we've since learnt different. Today quality is the first
priority. Anyone can stop the line if something is wrong. No we're not
perfect but we sure as hell are trying. The union has a quality rep that
you can call if you feel quality is being ignored. A lot of the members
of upper management in the plant come and go as they move up the ladder.
But we as members of an engine building team will either prosper or fail
with this plant are here for the long term. The product that we deliver
to you determines our future. I assure you that the majority of us are
very concerned with quality. Doug, I appo;igize about the past and hope
you check us out in the future.
Paul

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

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How can you not understand? Millions of people got ****ed up the ass by
the American car makers. Those memories don't fade for many, many years.
Toyota offers cars that are damned close to perfect. Unless you require
a "niche car" like the one you bought, why gamble with an American car?

My brother in law used to bitch at me about how I was costing Americans
jobs by buying Japanese. My response was simple: My second Ford was in
the shop 5 times in the first year (1975). My boss read me the riot act:
Find a way to get to work, or work somewhere else. In other words, the
Ford was about to cost me MY job. When it finally died, I bought a
Toyota. My logic: If American engineers can't build a car correctly,
they deserve to lose their jobs.

It's an interesting phenomenon in America: Pick 10 products, one of them
being a cars. For each product, ask 10,000 people what should happen to
the manufacturers of those products if they're poorly built for years on
end. For 9 of the products, people will say what they should: The
manufacturers should go out of business. For cars, they'll cut the
manufacturers a ridiculous amount of slack. It's as if cars have some
sort of religious status. I makes no sense at all.






The Crown Vic was my favorite US full-sized car, until that "defect" came
to light. A friend has the small Caddy whatever, and it's a pretty nice
car. Ford has a new sedan, the 500 something, that looks kind of
interesting. Most of the GM cars I've been in leave much to be desired,
and the Chrysler products are pretty grim.

In the car lines, I think it is tough to beat Toyota, and it doesn't
matter where they are assembled. But I think the full-size Ford and Chevy
trucks are aces. And for $50,000, there is nothing around to equal the
Corvette.

I looked at a Dodge intrepid, but as I mentioned elsewhere, pieces were
falling off the dash. Even funnier, though: I asked the sales thing "Is this
front or rear wheel drive?" He said "Hmmm.....it's probably one or the
other. Why do you need to know?" Down the center stage trapdoor with him.
:-)

"Doug Kanter" wrote:

"Jack Goff" wrote:


What's the info? That he install equipment there,
and
can only tell you things he's seen at one or two Ford or Chrysler
plants?
That he has no info on the scene at Toyota or any other plants? Let me
guess... he is a big Toyota or GM or brand X fan, and only sees what he
(and
his ego) wants to see?

6 plants, so far. Where did you get 1 or 2 from?

Try reading for content. "What's the info?" That means you gave no initial
info, and I'm asking for more.

"That he install equipment there, and can only tell you things he's seen at
one or two Ford or Chrysler plants?" The question mark at the end signifies
that I'm asking a question, not making a statement. It's a possible
scenario to your mysterious situation.

Got it now?


The purchaser of the CNC equipment can specify, within a certain range,
how
tightly they want to limit tolerances. That's a mechanical adjustment.

No, it's a designed-in ability of the CNC machine to be able to hold, and
repeat said tolerance. It's a mechanical adjustment to setup the machine
initially to perfom correctly, and to re-adjust or fix it when it wears
enough to lose its accuracy.

After engine parts are made, each manufacturer decides what's considered a
rejected part, and what gets used. This is a management decision. The
difference between what Toyota will accept and what Ford, Chrysler and GM
will accept does not fall into the category of "negligible".

If you think this is obtuse, let me know in your next post.


Still fairly obtuse. What is said CNC equipment being used to manufacture?
Pistons at Toyota and alternator brackets at Ford? You do realize that
there would be a *huge* difference in the pass/fail parameters for different
types of parts, right? And lets not forget about the fact that the *design*
of the overall gizmo (engine, brake caliper, etc...) determines what
tolerances need to be kept, and those acceptable tolerance ranges aren't an
indication of quality in and of themselves. Also, management does not
decide what is acceptable to be used in a design. Engineering gives them
the ranges to use, and management enforces that. If the range is too tight
to be cost effectively manufactured, a re-design is indicated.

Besides, you do realize that Ford and Toyota don't make their own pistons,
right? They each have hundreds of suppliers, each making some unique part
they specialize in. For example, the Wiseco company could, and probably
does, make pistons for both Ford and Toyota USA.

Is your ass not getting tired of talking? Have another drink, Kanter.

(note to Kanter... you didn't say pistons... I'm using them as an example...
Reading Comprehension 101)