I doubt the US military is *deliberately* killing civilians

I've never seen anybody claim that.


NOYB wrote:
Harry wrote:
"The US military deliberately targets civilians, doh-doh. Why do you
believe that our "hits" on non-combatants are accidental? Because we
say they are? "


Well, there's a reason why I read very few of his posts.

But it's stupid to claim that the U.S. military deliberately targets
civilians... it's pointless and expensive. Now, they *do* kill people
based on intel that may not be entirely correct, and they have been
blowing things up so that Halliburton can rebuild them... minimizing
"collateral damage" while doing so...

The problem here is that when you're playing with such powerful toys,
it's easy to hurt lots of people. Look at that pilot who flew under the
ski lift cable... totally an accident, totally caused by an excess of
testosterone, those people are all still totally dead...

You can understand why many people are skeptical of the motives of the
U.S. military; and *definitely* why many more are skeptical of the
Bush/Cheney administration. But the point stands- the U.S. military has
no interest in slaughtering hapless civilians.

DSK

On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:16:07 -0500, DSK wrote:


But the point stands- the U.S. military has
no interest in slaughtering hapless civilians.


It warms my heart to hear you say that.


Dave

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 18:16:07 -0500, DSK wrote:



But the point stands- the U.S. military has no interest in slaughtering
hapless civilians.



It warms my heart to hear you say that.


Dave



Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, My Lai, Kent State...

No interest in slaughtering innocent civilians, eh?

Kent State is not the same as Nagasaki, Hiroshima, or Dresden, where tens of
thousands (even hundreds of thousands) were killed. In those three cities,
we*did* intentionally target civilian populations in order to break their
morale...and it worked.

As I've said before, you should not go to war unless you're willing to take
it to the worst extremes. In the wars which we have won, we certainly can
not claim the moral high ground. In the wars in which we *did* try to take
the moral high ground, we lost. Unfortunately, in this war on terror, we
*are* taking the moral high ground...and it's costing us the lives of
hundreds of American troops. We'll still prevail. But our guys are
needlessly getting killed because liberalism and political correctness are
handcuffing our troops.

If history has taught us anything, it that the winning side gets to define
what is moral and what is a war crime.

Jim Carter wrote:
"Black Dog" wrote in message
news
.........................snip................... .
Stella
On topic - help! - my husband wants to buy a schooner!


Hi Stella:

So, your husband wants to buy a schooner. Have you looked at this one?

www.coveyisland.com then look under the, "brokerage", for the schooner

"Tree of Life" this is the largest vessel built by Covey Island Boats. It
is rated among the 100 best in the Americas.

It is one of the most beautiful sail boats that I have ever seen!

Length over all of 93 feet
Beam of 18 feet 6 inches.

This is a magnificent vessel.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield


Absolutely gorgeous.

Stella

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
snip
It would be the same thing as if Canada and Mexico were sending men,
money, and
weapons to Compton, Detroit, and the Bronx, and then inciting the
"oppressed" to start blowing up police cars, and killing any civilians who
support the government. You wouldn't stop such an uprising by
carpet-bombing the "insurgents" in those areas (although you could)
because
it would just tip the fence-sitters in other cities around the country to
form against you. Instead, you blow the **** out of Canada and Mexico,
and
stop the influx of arms and trouble-makers from those neighboring
countries.


Correction...we'd start with Florida and Cuba would be part of the mix.

Don White wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

But then you could join in a chorus of our favorite song...


'Farewell to Nova Scotia' always brings a tear to the eye...especially when
sung by Catherine MacKinnon.
(or at least the way she used to sing it in her younger days)



$145,000 Gasp! Choke! (but sweeeeeeet)

This is the one he wants:
http://www.yachtsales.com/msandy/sa5531.html

$40,000 - still more than we can afford - but it is sooo cute - and it
was built in Lunenburg, which has some sentimental value since I am
originally a bluenoser (although my British-born Ontario-raised husband
is more sentimenal about Nova Scotia than I am)

I love the song too. Once, when pressed by my fellow geologists to
"sing a song from your country", I sang it in the middle of the jungle
in Sri Lanka. Nova Scotia never felt quite so far far away as it did
then and there.

Stella
(my singing would probably make Don cry too, but not in a good way)

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
snip
It would be the same thing as if Canada and Mexico were sending men,
money, and
weapons to Compton, Detroit, and the Bronx, and then inciting the
"oppressed" to start blowing up police cars, and killing any civilians
who
support the government. You wouldn't stop such an uprising by
carpet-bombing the "insurgents" in those areas (although you could)
because
it would just tip the fence-sitters in other cities around the country to
form against you. Instead, you blow the **** out of Canada and Mexico,
and
stop the influx of arms and trouble-makers from those neighboring
countries.


Correction...we'd start with Florida and Cuba would be part of the mix.

But we like Cubans down here in Florida. They're clean, neat, proud,
industrious people...and their food is pretty darn good. We're just not
real fond of Canadians...especially those from Quebec. They're terrible
drivers, rude, and they have awful oral hygiene.

"Black Dog" wrote in message
. ..
snip
This is the one he wants:
http://www.yachtsales.com/msandy/sa5531.html

$40,000 - still more than we can afford - but it is sooo cute - and it
was built in Lunenburg, which has some sentimental value since I am
originally a bluenoser (although my British-born Ontario-raised husband
is more sentimenal about Nova Scotia than I am)
snip

That price seems reasonable...if not too much work is required.
Where would you sail?

"Black Dog" wrote in message
. ..
$145,000 Gasp! Choke! (but sweeeeeeet)
This is the one he wants:
http://www.yachtsales.com/msandy/sa5531.html
.....................snip............
Stella
(my singing would probably make Don cry too, but not in a good way)

Hi Stella:
At my marina in Bayfield is a beautiful Bayfield 25 sloop that is very
reasonably priced.
You can check it out at ......

http://www.boatcan.com/halfscreen.in...brokerlist&b=3

This is a good buy if you can negotiate the price with him now that it is
winter.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield

"Black Dog" wrote in message
. ..
$145,000 Gasp! Choke! (but sweeeeeeet)
This is the one he wants:
http://www.yachtsales.com/msandy/sa5531.html
....................snip............
Stella
(my singing would probably make Don cry too, but not in a good way)

Hi Stella:
At my marina in Bayfield is a beautiful Bayfield 25 sloop that is very
reasonably priced.
You can check it out at ......

http://www.boatcan.com/halfscreen.in...brokerlist&b=3

This is a good buy if you can negotiate the price with him now that it is
winter.

Jim Carter
"The Boat"
Bayfield