"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

To be honest, this may not be the boat for you if you intend to do
what you said you wanted to do. In fact for the type of weather you
indicated, you might be better off with a Cabo or Ocean 50/60 footer
instead of a 16 foot dory.

The best weather for that C-dory you spoke of is light chop, little
wind and a relatively placid day.

Look around for something bigger with a V hull and moderate deadrise.

Good luck.

Tom

I don't think Louis will find a 50-60 footer for $10k or less, at least not
one that I'd want to go out in.

One thing I've always noticed about C-Dory boats is that they aren't very
beamy. I think Louis could expand his search to include other Pacific
Northwest boats such as Arima (www.arimaboats.com/frames) and Sea Sport
(www.seasportboats.com). In the price-range you're looking at, you'll
probably be in late 1980s and 1990s models.

I have a 17' Arima Sea Ranger that I take across the Columbia River bar
(http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.co...seas/Page.html
)in the summer. It handles the chop well up to about that generated by a 20
knot wind.

The conditions at the San Francisco entrance can be pretty snotty, but if
you use common sense and don't press your luck, a 17 to 19 foot boat will be
fine.

Good luck and welcome aboard!

I would *not* want to be out on any of those photos except for the
sunset. Those conditions is what I would consider nightmare
conditions!

Thanks for the link to Arima. Never heard of them but their hard top
19 is definitly something in the lines of what I'm looking for. Much
thanks!



Snafu wrote:
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I don't think Louis will find a 50-60 footer for $10k or less, at
least not
one that I'd want to go out in.

One thing I've always noticed about C-Dory boats is that they aren't
very
beamy. I think Louis could expand his search to include other
Pacific
Northwest boats such as Arima (www.arimaboats.com/frames) and Sea
Sport
(www.seasportboats.com). In the price-range you're looking at,
you'll
probably be in late 1980s and 1990s models.

I have a 17' Arima Sea Ranger that I take across the Columbia River
bar

(http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.co...seas/Page.html
)in the summer. It handles the chop well up to about that generated
by a 20
knot wind.

The conditions at the San Francisco entrance can be pretty snotty,
but if
you use common sense and don't press your luck, a 17 to 19 foot boat
will be
fine.

Good luck and welcome aboard!

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:10:01 -0800, "Snafu"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

To be honest, this may not be the boat for you if you intend to do
what you said you wanted to do. In fact for the type of weather you
indicated, you might be better off with a Cabo or Ocean 50/60 footer
instead of a 16 foot dory.

The best weather for that C-dory you spoke of is light chop, little
wind and a relatively placid day.

Look around for something bigger with a V hull and moderate deadrise.

Good luck.

Tom

I don't think Louis will find a 50-60 footer for $10k or less, at least not
one that I'd want to go out in.

Just an illustration.

One thing I've always noticed about C-Dory boats is that they aren't very
beamy. I think Louis could expand his search to include other Pacific
Northwest boats such as Arima (www.arimaboats.com/frames)

I like the 19' Sea Ranger - reasonable deck for a boat of it's type -
reasonably wide at 8' - nice boat.

and Sea Sport (www.seasportboats.com).

They look like Pacific boats only in fiberglass.

It's funny how the manufacturer's up in that area of the woods, even
the ones who make aluminum boats, all seem to work off the same design
concepts.

Then again, a lot of the East Coast boats look alike.

Later,

Tom

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:10:01 -0800, "Snafu"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

To be honest, this may not be the boat for you if you intend to do
what you said you wanted to do. In fact for the type of weather you
indicated, you might be better off with a Cabo or Ocean 50/60 footer
instead of a 16 foot dory.

The best weather for that C-dory you spoke of is light chop, little
wind and a relatively placid day.

Look around for something bigger with a V hull and moderate deadrise.

Good luck.

Tom

I don't think Louis will find a 50-60 footer for $10k or less, at least not
one that I'd want to go out in.

One thing I've always noticed about C-Dory boats is that they aren't very
beamy. I think Louis could expand his search to include other Pacific
Northwest boats such as Arima (www.arimaboats.com/frames) and Sea Sport
(www.seasportboats.com). In the price-range you're looking at, you'll
probably be in late 1980s and 1990s models.

I have a 17' Arima Sea Ranger that I take across the Columbia River bar
(http://www.columbiariverbarpilots.co...seas/Page.html
)in the summer. It handles the chop well up to about that generated by a 20
knot wind.

The conditions at the San Francisco entrance can be pretty snotty, but if
you use common sense and don't press your luck, a 17 to 19 foot boat will be
fine.

Good luck and welcome aboard!


I've always liked the Sea Sport. The Arima is a nice looking boat too. Hadn't
seen one before. Thanks for the site. $35K for a 22'er isn't a bad price. The 22
foot Grady is almost twice that.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

"louis" wrote in message
ups.com...
I would *not* want to be out on any of those photos except for the
sunset. Those conditions is what I would consider nightmare
conditions!

The pictures on that link were probably taken in the winter, and definitely
on a hard ebb tide, the worst time to cross the bar (that applies here and
SF).


Thanks for the link to Arima. Never heard of them but their hard top
19 is definitely something in the lines of what I'm looking for. Much
thanks!

There are a lot of Arima boats around up here, and I've also seen quite a
few
advertised in Northern California in www.boattraderonline.com.

Good luck!

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
One thing I've always noticed about C-Dory boats is that they aren't very
beamy. I think Louis could expand his search to include other Pacific
Northwest boats such as Arima (www.arimaboats.com/frames)

I like the 19' Sea Ranger - reasonable deck for a boat of it's type -
reasonably wide at 8' - nice boat.

Yeah, I really like that about the Arimas. Even the 17 footer has an 8'
beam -- shaped like a pumpkin seed, but very stable.


and Sea Sport (www.seasportboats.com).

They look like Pacific boats only in fiberglass.

It's funny how the manufacturer's up in that area of the woods, even
the ones who make aluminum boats, all seem to work off the same design
concepts.

Then again, a lot of the East Coast boats look alike.

I've always found the regional looks interesting, too. You can see it in
commercial fishing boats and tugs, too. I guess they evolve to suit the
area.


Later,

Tom

I am the proud owner of a 22' C-Dory and have been an active member on the
C-Dog site for years. (I started the original C-Dog site about five years
ago.) Mine is an '87 but I've added all new engines and electronics over the
last five years.

The flat bottom is not made for chop and I simply slow down when it gets too
choppy. I've been on 4 foot+ waves on Suisun Bay a number of times and the
boat handles well. I never get that "sinking" feeling aboard mine. I've
spent many nights on board anchored in various spots on the California
Delta.

Lots of info on my C-Dory and the projects and mostly my fishing at my
homepage below.

--
Dale Gillespie
formerly MowerKing on recboats.

My Homepage: http://groups.msn.com/FishWishersHom..._whatsnew.msnw
My RV Site: http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRV..._whatsnew.msnw
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On 10 Feb 2005 16:03:19 -0800, wrote:

Hey Dale,


Good to hear from you. Have you taken your C-Dory outside Golden Gate
brige before or know of anyone who was caught out there when the
weather picked up? I'm interested in the 16' and would like to know if
it's as seaworthy as the 22'. C-dory website doesn't really talk about
the differences in the model except for the dimensions. Have you heard
of anyone with experience in it? When I read posts at c-dory newsgroup
they rarely specify what model they have so I can never figure out who
has the 16' or the 22' model.

Happy boating.


Louis

FishWisher wrote:
I am the proud owner of a 22' C-Dory and have been an active member
on the
C-Dog site for years. (I started the original C-Dog site about five
years
ago.) Mine is an '87 but I've added all new engines and electronics
over the
last five years.

The flat bottom is not made for chop and I simply slow down when it
gets too
choppy. I've been on 4 foot+ waves on Suisun Bay a number of times
and the
boat handles well. I never get that "sinking" feeling aboard mine.
I've
spent many nights on board anchored in various spots on the
California
Delta.

Lots of info on my C-Dory and the projects and mostly my fishing at
my
homepage below.

--
Dale Gillespie
formerly MowerKing on recboats.

My Homepage: http://groups.msn.com/FishWishersHom..._whatsnew.msnw
My RV Site:
http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRV..._whatsnew.msnw
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message

...
On 10 Feb 2005 16:03:19 -0800, wrote:

On 12 Feb 2005 18:27:43 -0800, "louis" wrote:

Hey Dale,


Good to hear from you. Have you taken your C-Dory outside Golden Gate
brige before or know of anyone who was caught out there when the
weather picked up? I'm interested in the 16' and would like to know if
it's as seaworthy as the 22'. C-dory website doesn't really talk about
the differences in the model except for the dimensions. Have you heard
of anyone with experience in it? When I read posts at c-dory newsgroup
they rarely specify what model they have so I can never figure out who
has the 16' or the 22' model.

Happy boating.


Louis

FishWisher wrote:
I am the proud owner of a 22' C-Dory and have been an active member
on the
C-Dog site for years. (I started the original C-Dog site about five
years
ago.) Mine is an '87 but I've added all new engines and electronics
over the
last five years.

The flat bottom is not made for chop and I simply slow down when it
gets too
choppy. I've been on 4 foot+ waves on Suisun Bay a number of times
and the
boat handles well. I never get that "sinking" feeling aboard mine.
I've
spent many nights on board anchored in various spots on the
California
Delta.

Lots of info on my C-Dory and the projects and mostly my fishing at
my
homepage below.

--
Dale Gillespie
formerly MowerKing on recboats.

My Homepage: http://groups.msn.com/FishWishersHom..._whatsnew.msnw
My RV Site:
http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRV..._whatsnew.msnw
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message

...
On 10 Feb 2005 16:03:19 -0800, wrote:

I moved up from a 15' er to a 21'er. Not the same make, but I can tell you that
the extra 6 feet made a hell of a difference!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

Louis,

I was out the Gate once with my C-Dory and had some steering problems after
placing the wrong washer on the shaft after installing my Sportpilot. Headed
back to Bezerkeley with my buddy sitting in the engine well, manually
steering the boat by turning the engine. Not fun. The potato patch is no
place to be with loose steering! And I've been on SF Bay a few times
although I haven't been there in about three years.

The vast majority of C-Dorys are 22 footers. But the 16 is considered pretty
sea worthy in its own right, although I don't own one. Check out that
freeboard for such a small boat. Pretty deep.

--
Dale Gillespie

My Homepage: http://groups.msn.com/FishWishersHom..._whatsnew.msnw
My RV Site: http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRV..._whatsnew.msnw
"louis" wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey Dale,


Good to hear from you. Have you taken your C-Dory outside Golden Gate
brige before or know of anyone who was caught out there when the
weather picked up? I'm interested in the 16' and would like to know if
it's as seaworthy as the 22'. C-dory website doesn't really talk about
the differences in the model except for the dimensions. Have you heard
of anyone with experience in it? When I read posts at c-dory newsgroup
they rarely specify what model they have so I can never figure out who
has the 16' or the 22' model.

Happy boating.


Louis

FishWisher wrote:
I am the proud owner of a 22' C-Dory and have been an active member
on the
C-Dog site for years. (I started the original C-Dog site about five
years
ago.) Mine is an '87 but I've added all new engines and electronics
over the
last five years.

The flat bottom is not made for chop and I simply slow down when it
gets too
choppy. I've been on 4 foot+ waves on Suisun Bay a number of times
and the
boat handles well. I never get that "sinking" feeling aboard mine.
I've
spent many nights on board anchored in various spots on the
California
Delta.

Lots of info on my C-Dory and the projects and mostly my fishing at
my
homepage below.

--
Dale Gillespie
formerly MowerKing on recboats.

My Homepage: http://groups.msn.com/FishWishersHom..._whatsnew.msnw
My RV Site:
http://groups.msn.com/CoachpotatosRV..._whatsnew.msnw
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message

...
On 10 Feb 2005 16:03:19 -0800, wrote: