Hey all,

I'm considering buying a 1999 Bayliner Ciera 2655 (I know, I've been
warned about Bayliners, that's besides the point :-) )

I own a Volvo XC90 AWD SUV that is rated to tow 5000 lbs.

- When looking up the boat on www.nada.com, it said that its "net"
weight is about 5400 lbs. That's hard for me to believe... are those
weights in nada correct?

- Also, on www.nada.com, there is no ciera 2655 except for the
sunbridge model. However, the boat I'm looking for doesn't look like a
sunbridge. Is the model simply missing in nada?

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate? Does it include a
trailer? What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

- are there other useful websites for getting towing info?

thanks for your help!

The Bayliner Ciera 2655 is a sunbridge and is way too much to being towing
with a Volvo or any vehicle for that matter that only has a towing capacity
of 5000 lbs. Go to Bayliner.com and you can get the stats for that boat. The
model number changed in 2003. It is now a 265. the weight you saw on NADA
may or may not be correct but regardless it is the weight of the boat only.
Add an additional 1000-1200 lbs for a trailer. Scott
"sfcarioca" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey all,

I'm considering buying a 1999 Bayliner Ciera 2655 (I know, I've been
warned about Bayliners, that's besides the point :-) )

I own a Volvo XC90 AWD SUV that is rated to tow 5000 lbs.

- When looking up the boat on www.nada.com, it said that its "net"
weight is about 5400 lbs. That's hard for me to believe... are those
weights in nada correct?

- Also, on www.nada.com, there is no ciera 2655 except for the
sunbridge model. However, the boat I'm looking for doesn't look like a
sunbridge. Is the model simply missing in nada?

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate? Does it include a
trailer? What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

- are there other useful websites for getting towing info?

thanks for your help!

On 10 Feb 2005 16:21:17 -0800, "sfcarioca"
wrote:

Hey all,

I'm considering buying a 1999 Bayliner Ciera 2655 (I know, I've been
warned about Bayliners, that's besides the point :-) )


Actually, the new Bayliners aren't all that bad.

I own a Volvo XC90 AWD SUV that is rated to tow 5000 lbs.

Oh oh.

- When looking up the boat on www.nada.com, it said that its "net"
weight is about 5400 lbs. That's hard for me to believe... are those
weights in nada correct?

If anything, it's more than that.

- Also, on www.nada.com, there is no ciera 2655 except for the
sunbridge model. However, the boat I'm looking for doesn't look like a
sunbridge. Is the model simply missing in nada?

Look for 265 or go to http://tinyurl.com/5pnae which is the Bayliner
web page for the 265.

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate? Does it include a
trailer? What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

The Bayliner web site indicates that the 265 is 5,986 lbs.

- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

Yes. The 265 is about a 1,000 lbs over the tow limit for that Volvo -
no can do.

- are there other useful websites for getting towing info?

http://www.edmunds.com/ownership/how...1/article.html

http://autoadvice.about.com/od/buyin...yingTowCar.htm

thanks for your help!

Good luck.

Later,

Tom

On 10 Feb 2005 16:21:17 -0800, "sfcarioca" wrote:

Hey all,

I'm considering buying a 1999 Bayliner Ciera 2655 (I know, I've been
warned about Bayliners, that's besides the point :-) )

I own a Volvo XC90 AWD SUV that is rated to tow 5000 lbs.

- When looking up the boat on www.nada.com, it said that its "net"
weight is about 5400 lbs. That's hard for me to believe... are those
weights in nada correct?

- Also, on www.nada.com, there is no ciera 2655 except for the
sunbridge model. However, the boat I'm looking for doesn't look like a
sunbridge. Is the model simply missing in nada?

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate? Does it include a
trailer? What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

- are there other useful websites for getting towing info?

thanks for your help!

I would think you should add fuel, water, beer, anchor(s), electronics, tools,
play equipment, life jackets, rope, chain, etc., etc., etc.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate?

Probably.




Does it include a trailer?

No. Add 1000-1500 lbs. (That sounds about right for a 26 footer, so it
almost certainly is net weight without a trailer)




What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

Don't know how NADA figures it, but gross weight should be empty (boat by
itslef), net wt should be loaded.(fuel, gear, etc)




- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

Yes, a very bad idea IMHO. Your Volvo dealer would probably refuse to
warranty a repair because of the overloading. Need a fairly large truck for
that. Our 01 Suburban (towing capacity around 8000 lbs) might do it, but I'd
still get something more muscular, depending upon the terrain in which you
will tow it. That's a big boat to be dragging around.

I have towed boats that were over towing limit and the answer is yes you
can.
Very carefully and over a short distance. You SUV will survive it
(probably). The issue is overall weight of the assembly that may be too much
for your brakes and stability in case of emergency breaking.
Can you move it from one location to the other say 20 miles away? Yes. Not
recommended for more then that. Towing capacity is never calc. "on the dot"
and with 5000 lbs in your car specs you can safely assume that a true
"border point" towing capacity of your SUV is about 7000 lbs. But this is
where the game starts to be dangerous... Keep that in mind. Casual towing to
the vacation spots has to be taken off your list. GMC Safari has 6500 lbs.
towin' capacity and is the lightest vehicle you can use (with factory
installed tow package). Otherwise use a pickup truck rated for over 8000
lbs.

In no way I'm encouraging you to tow but knowing that finding and arranging
for boat towing is a true pain in the a** I'm giving you a cautious advise.



"sfcarioca" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey all,

I'm considering buying a 1999 Bayliner Ciera 2655 (I know, I've been
warned about Bayliners, that's besides the point :-) )

I own a Volvo XC90 AWD SUV that is rated to tow 5000 lbs.

- When looking up the boat on www.nada.com, it said that its "net"
weight is about 5400 lbs. That's hard for me to believe... are those
weights in nada correct?

- Also, on www.nada.com, there is no ciera 2655 except for the
sunbridge model. However, the boat I'm looking for doesn't look like a
sunbridge. Is the model simply missing in nada?

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate? Does it include a
trailer? What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

- are there other useful websites for getting towing info?

thanks for your help!

I had a 2455 that had a towing weight w/ trailer, batteries, fuel, water,
life jackets, etc... of 7000 lbs. I had it checked on local digital truck
scales. It was dead on 7000 w/ 30 gallons of fuel on board.

Your 2655 is going to be heavier than that. Net weight is dry w/ a standard
single engine.
Actual weight would add batteries (2 = 100 lbs), fuel (6 lbs per gallon),
water (8 lbs per gallon), life jackets, all your other junk on board,
trailer (1500 for that size boat).
If you assume the fuel tank is 1/2 full (40 gallons = 240 lbs), you have 20
gallons of water ( 160 lbs), 100 lbs batteries, 200 lbs other stuff, 1500
lbs trailer, 5400 lbs boat then you have 7600 lbs and I am sure that does
not count the prop, oil in engine, oil in gearcase, oil in trim system, any
additional options such as trim tabs, etc...
Bottom line = 8000 lbs or very close to it.
Pulling 8000 lbs w/ a vehicle rated for 5000 is illegal (if you have a wreck
your insurance may not pay) (if police catch you they can write you a
ticket), unsafe (you probably won't be able to stop it unless the trailer
brakes are working perfect), the stress on the drive train will not be good
(you could very easily break a universal joint or something in the
transmission if not extremely careful).

DON'T DO IT.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com


"Proxy" wrote in message
...
I have towed boats that were over towing limit and the answer is yes you
can.
Very carefully and over a short distance. You SUV will survive it
(probably). The issue is overall weight of the assembly that may be too
much
for your brakes and stability in case of emergency breaking.
Can you move it from one location to the other say 20 miles away? Yes. Not
recommended for more then that. Towing capacity is never calc. "on the
dot"
and with 5000 lbs in your car specs you can safely assume that a true
"border point" towing capacity of your SUV is about 7000 lbs. But this is
where the game starts to be dangerous... Keep that in mind. Casual towing
to
the vacation spots has to be taken off your list. GMC Safari has 6500 lbs.
towin' capacity and is the lightest vehicle you can use (with factory
installed tow package). Otherwise use a pickup truck rated for over 8000
lbs.

In no way I'm encouraging you to tow but knowing that finding and
arranging
for boat towing is a true pain in the a** I'm giving you a cautious
advise.



"sfcarioca" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hey all,

I'm considering buying a 1999 Bayliner Ciera 2655 (I know, I've been
warned about Bayliners, that's besides the point :-) )

I own a Volvo XC90 AWD SUV that is rated to tow 5000 lbs.

- When looking up the boat on www.nada.com, it said that its "net"
weight is about 5400 lbs. That's hard for me to believe... are those
weights in nada correct?

- Also, on www.nada.com, there is no ciera 2655 except for the
sunbridge model. However, the boat I'm looking for doesn't look like a
sunbridge. Is the model simply missing in nada?

- Does the net weight in www.nada.com accurate? Does it include a
trailer? What does the "net" mean in net weight... what is the "gross"
weight?

- Is it a very bad idea for me to try to tow this baby with my Volvo?

- are there other useful websites for getting towing info?

thanks for your help!