Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:47:34 +1100, K Smith
wrote:


Gee thanks Gene so on topic isn't enough hey??

Anyway I note you have no challenge to the material so far??? Thanks
good to know you're keeping an eye on it for me:-)



No.. on topic isn't enough and you know it. This is about as much on
topic as ..... well, "Bayliner Sucks," which to this day, is the
L-O-N-G-E-S-T running acerbic thread on rec.boats... lasting well over
a year and consuming (uselessly) bandwidth beyond all comprehension.

I, on this matter, have challenged your application of the truth
before and I feel no compulsion to do so again. While it is true that
fuel burning lean of peak will toast cylinders, pistons, valves,
etc.... it is not a given and there have, historically, been many
engines doing just so without any deleterious effects.

The controlling factor is the engine's ability to dissipate the heat
generated. If successful, the engine is successful.... else, not.

The fact that there are posters here that are satisfied with their
engines proves the concept. Can engines be operated out of specs...
sure, and there are plenty of FICHT horror stories to prove this true,
as well. The fact remains that not *all* FICHTS fail.

Would I want one? Not no, but HELL NO..... but that is just me. I
go with low tech solutions wherever possible. FICHT is the antithesis
of what I want to rely on. However, in spite of my reservations,
there are those that have been and are pleased with FICHT technology.

Having said that, the point of my post is to say that any "on topic"
post that will be as predictably inflammatory as any OT post
[republicans, democrats, any bush, unions, you name it] suck is just
as counterproductive.

Couldn't you just enlighten us with some current boating information?
Human interest stories from AU boating? Anything that won't be
intentionally inflammatory?

Well that's your view Gene & good on ya, I've been waiting for just one
post to say my facts are wrong, thus far that hasn't happened so all is
OK, even poor Bill is just running his marketing BS again.

I'm a tad busy at the moment however during the next week I'll move on
to some more of why Ficht failed.

I sincerely hope you read & challenge any of the facts, but just saying
you don't like me is of no consequence to me, saying I don't like Harry
as if that's a problem I'll wear that like a crown, thanks:-) Have you
noticed that apart from his mad dog posts, the NG is much better without
him?? nowhere near as much OT political crap?? anyway just my perception
I guess.

K

"K Smith" wrote in message
...
I sincerely hope you read & challenge any of the facts,.......


Karen,

First of all, where are you getting your " facts? " Are they 6 year old
articles and "opinions" from blokes, or are you quoting information from
the Bombardier factory, the warranty section, the service department, the
training center, the service manuals and bulletins, and technicians from all
over America? I doubt it very much!!!!!!

Bill Grannis
service manager

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:40:15 +1100, K Smith
wrote:



I sincerely hope you read & challenge any of the facts,


Unlikely that I'll waste the bandwidth. My issue is with the selection
of facts the conclusion(s) are drawn from.

No "conclusions" have been drawn; yet. & so far the facts seem OK?? So
why are you so upset when I start an on topic thread?? What you think
Ficht is OK?? surely not?? it sent OMC under, $1.3 billion of retirees'
money lost, & about 7000 jobs. I know Bill pretends it's all OK now but
he sells sells sells. Gees louise he even denied there were any problems
till OMC itself admitted 2 in 5.


but just saying
you don't like me is of no consequence to me,


Nice. An implicit lie. Please point to that sentence.

So you do like me, that's a relief:-) I like you too.


saying I don't like Harry
as if that's a problem I'll wear that like a crown, thanks:-)


I really don't care if you and Harry don't like each other or not. It
isn't any of my business or the business of other posters here on
rec.boats... and that is the point I have tried to make before. In
fact, a lot of the stuff you have posted recently (especially those
850+ line diatribes) should have been personal correspondence between
you and Harry... not aired in an open forum. I really don't need you
to show me your dirty linen, nor do I need to see Harry's.... and I
think I speak for nearly all of the posters, here. Take it off the
forum and if you must, email Harry directly.

No thanks that lying grub has chased me for years & now I return the
favour, if you don't like it please just kill file me, or just don't
bother with the appended material. Do whatever makes you feel better.

Here is a point to ponder... why force everybody that comes to this
newsgroup to download scores of 850+ line posts because you have a
problem with another poster? You are punishing the wrong person(s).
Try email.....

I don't "force" anyone to read anything, gee I wish you policed the OT
threads the way you seek to control what I post. You have no control
over my posts as nobody can stop the lying socialist idiot starting his
OT political threads, so either challenge the substance of what I say or
don't bother.


Have you
noticed that apart from his mad dog posts, the NG is much better without
him?? nowhere near as much OT political crap?? anyway just my perception
I guess.

K


I am afraid these are just your perceptions, or for illustration,
your facts. Yes, the fact is that it would be better not to see Harry
post off topic. Your conclusion is tainted by the inclusion of just
one fact. A better conclusion would be to cite the fact that it would
be better not to see any off topic posts. Conclusions drawn from that
body of facts would be more accurate and useful.

I agree but as I said the OT posts have gone way down since the liar
was bussed out to protest or whatever. If you don't agree then fine, but
honestly look at the threads they're mostly on topic & there's much less
nastiness. I submit because the lying little grub is not here.

Your fact about Harry is no better than your fact about FICHT... you
despise both of them and you need to let it go and move past that to
posting useful information that appeals to other people. Your hatred
for Harry and FICHT has a very limited audience and your preoccupation
with both makes your posts seem very strange.

I don't despise ficht I despise that the OMC dealers came here &
spam/lied about it. With people like you running interference for them
no wonder people get taken in by dealer BS. I'll continue to say what I
say & I guess you'll continue to bang your head against the wall in
protest, however the best protest you could make is to correct my facts.
At the end when I do draw it together I'll make it clear "conclusions"
are just my opinion & that you or anyone should draw their own, in the
mean time we better make sure of the issues.

You are able to keep up aren't you Gene?? Let me know & I'll explain
anything till even Bill can understand it.

K

K Smith wrote in message
Couldn't you just enlighten us with some current boating information?
Human interest stories from AU boating? Anything that won't be
intentionally inflammatory?

Well that's your view Gene & good on ya, I've been waiting for just one
post to say my facts are wrong, thus far that hasn't happened so all is
OK, even poor Bill is just running his marketing BS again.

Your facts are wrong. You're not presenting facts, you are presenting
opinion.
As I pointed out earlier, you probably get little rebuttal because no
one wants to tangle with a crazy bitch like you.





I'm a tad busy at the moment however during the next week I'll move on
to some more of why Ficht failed.

Electroshock therapy?

I sincerely hope you read & challenge any of the facts,

You don't present facts. You just present your warped opinions. My
little dictionary says a fact is usually a particular truth known by
actual observation or authentic testimony, backed up by documentation.

Where are your observations?
Where is your authentic testimony?
Where is your documentation?

but just saying
you don't like me is of no consequence to me, saying I don't like Harry
as if that's a problem I'll wear that like a crown, thanks:-) Have you
noticed that apart from his mad dog posts,

Are you now implying that I am Harry? You certainly paint a broad
stripe with your hatred. I've been posting here for many months.


the NG is much better without
him??

Actually, it isn't. The newsgroup of late has been as boring as
watching water freeze. Which I have been doing. But your buddy harry
will return soon, I'll bet. He said he was going to be away for about
a week.

snip
Here is a point to ponder... why force everybody that comes to this
newsgroup to download scores of 850+ line posts because you have a
problem with another poster? You are punishing the wrong person(s).
Try email.....

I don't "force" anyone to read anything, gee I wish you policed the OT
threads the way you seek to control what I post. You have no control
over my posts as nobody can stop the lying socialist idiot starting his
OT political threads, so either challenge the substance of what I say or
don't bother.

snip
Please remember that about 1/2 of the internet world still uses dial-up
services. An 850 line post takes a long time to dribble in.

That is also the reason why it a matter of courtesy to trim all but the
relevant portions portion of the original posts in a reply.
Ditto for posting pictures to a non-binary newsgroup.

Mark Browne

Oz Lady wrote: Quote: snipped I've been waiting for just one
post to say my facts are wrongsnip

K,

If you provided ANY facts they wouldn't be refutable. Facts, dontchaknow, are
true even when taken out of context or incompletely presented.

Alas, you have yet to provide one single FACT in your tirades aqainst Evenrude
outboards. Your CLAIMS are not true and have been well refuted by several
Evinrude users.

You have yet to admit that you have never seen, heard, touched, used, examined,
smelled any FICHT at any time. Yet, to your credit, you've never claimed to
have done those things either. Since you admitedly KNOW absolutely nothing
about FICHTs and have only READ some material on them you have no credibility
on the subject. Furthermore, since you are unwilling to provide any
credentials attesting to any level of expertise on FICHTs (neither user,
repairer, designer, engineer, technician, nor tester) you have no credibility
amongst those who have ANY level of expertise.

It really wouldn't matter what you say if not for the poor newbie who may be
frightened off by your untruths and thus be deprived of another choice.

Your personal attacts toward Bill demonstrate how low you will go. To infer
that Bill is a liar is low indeed.

Seems your only supporter among the regulars here is John; and he seems to
support you out of a wish to be entertained by all this rather than to learn
the truth.

Butch

Mad Dog Dave wrote:


Your facts are wrong. You're not presenting facts, you are presenting
opinion.


Gotta shake my head at this guy: shakin head. His handle fits him
well; brawn but little brain; mouth but little cognizant ability.

Bone for ya doggie: What product fiasco bankrupted OMC?

-- Charlie


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On 19 Jan 2004 06:23:24 -0800, (Mad
Dog Dave) wrote:

K Smith wrote in message
Couldn't you just enlighten us with some current boating information?
Human interest stories from AU boating? Anything that won't be
intentionally inflammatory?

Well that's your view Gene & good on ya, I've been waiting for just one
post to say my facts are wrong, thus far that hasn't happened so all is
OK, even poor Bill is just running his marketing BS again.

Your facts are wrong. You're not presenting facts, you are presenting
opinion.
As I pointed out earlier, you probably get little rebuttal because no
one wants to tangle with a crazy bitch like you.





I'm a tad busy at the moment however during the next week I'll move on
to some more of why Ficht failed.

Electroshock therapy?

I sincerely hope you read & challenge any of the facts,

You don't present facts. You just present your warped opinions. My
little dictionary says a fact is usually a particular truth known by
actual observation or authentic testimony, backed up by documentation.

Where are your observations?
Where is your authentic testimony?
Where is your documentation?

but just saying
you don't like me is of no consequence to me, saying I don't like Harry
as if that's a problem I'll wear that like a crown, thanks:-) Have you
noticed that apart from his mad dog posts,

Are you now implying that I am Harry? You certainly paint a broad
stripe with your hatred. I've been posting here for many months.


the NG is much better without
him??

Actually, it isn't. The newsgroup of late has been as boring as
watching water freeze. Which I have been doing. But your buddy harry
will return soon, I'll bet. He said he was going to be away for about
a week.
Hey Dog, if you disagree with what she says, why not post what you
think to be correct? Your personal attacks lend no credence to your
comments.
John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On 19 Jan 2004 14:40:20 GMT, (JDavis1277) wrote:

Oz Lady wrote: Quote: snipped I've been waiting for just one
post to say my facts are wrongsnip

K,

If you provided ANY facts they wouldn't be refutable. Facts, dontchaknow, are
true even when taken out of context or incompletely presented.

Alas, you have yet to provide one single FACT in your tirades aqainst Evenrude
outboards. Your CLAIMS are not true and have been well refuted by several
Evinrude users.

You have yet to admit that you have never seen, heard, touched, used, examined,
smelled any FICHT at any time. Yet, to your credit, you've never claimed to
have done those things either. Since you admitedly KNOW absolutely nothing
about FICHTs and have only READ some material on them you have no credibility
on the subject. Furthermore, since you are unwilling to provide any
credentials attesting to any level of expertise on FICHTs (neither user,
repairer, designer, engineer, technician, nor tester) you have no credibility
amongst those who have ANY level of expertise.

It really wouldn't matter what you say if not for the poor newbie who may be
frightened off by your untruths and thus be deprived of another choice.

Your personal attacts toward Bill demonstrate how low you will go. To infer
that Bill is a liar is low indeed.

Seems your only supporter among the regulars here is John; and he seems to
support you out of a wish to be entertained by all this rather than to learn
the truth.

Butch

Are you referring to me? If so, let me say that I am neither a
supporter or detractor for Karen's posts, at least in my postings.I
don't support the name-calling, nor do I support the 850 line posts. I
would much prefer she stop both.

As to her comments on Fichts, I have no opinion. I know nothing of the
motor. I learn a little about motors with her posts, and a little more
from the rebuttals to her posts. But note, name-calling tirades such
as those used by Mad Dog Dave, are not rebuttals.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:43:29 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:
Your hatred
for Harry and FICHT has a very limited audience and your preoccupation
with both makes your posts seem very strange.

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I'll second that.

Strange AND obsessive.

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