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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:






"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before he was a
"reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak
picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was talking
about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about the
economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that
Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going to
work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are you going
to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different entities. The
market has yet to reach the level it was when Bush assumed/stole/was
anointed to/ somehow got office. UN employment (in real numbers) --
is about the same; Millions of jobs have moved offshore, bankruptcies
are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html, amongst
others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un employment
since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the economy?" I
told you what is good. The list was certainly not all encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your mind. You
have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over the fact that he
won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when everything
went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the last year of
Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I pointed out yesterday, the
DOW hasn't reached it's high point in 5 years. yesterday it closed at
10.754; almost exactly 1000 points below what it hit under Clinton.
"Proceding at a good pace", might indicate that in 8 years we'll be even.
I don't consider that good at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all that
hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your words), yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing something
pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary
to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in the sky
environmental demands and you have companies setting up manufacturing plants
where the cost of doing is cheaper and more efficient. The brawn is leaving
and being replaced by brain. That is our future here in the US.


Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force the
central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale prices
in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y

Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your news? LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the economy is
robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain on the increase,
also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends and
family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way please.




Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the dollar?

Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.

And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton times.

If you know so little about Fox, you should take some time away from CNN and
give it a shot. You'd be surprised at all the things happening in the world that
you know nothing about.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim," wrote:




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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:







"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before he
was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak
picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about
the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that
Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going to
work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are you
going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake
Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different entities.
The market has yet to reach the level it was when Bush
assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN employment
(in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions of jobs have
moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not all
encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your mind.
You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over the fact
that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I pointed
out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in 5 years.
yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000 points below what
it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good pace", might indicate that
in 8 years we'll be even. I don't consider that good at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all that
hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your words),
yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in the
sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That is
our future here in the US.



Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force the
central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y

Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your news?
LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the economy
is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain on the
increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends and
family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.


Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?

Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on the
economy?



Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.



And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real assets.
Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..

The name is Jim, not John.

.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to say
that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most arrogent, and
purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't read the news,

Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him daily?
One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on other
important things.

You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad was.
They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand for the
things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

That may be the problem Jim.


....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).

That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine thing
to say.


He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to the
effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

Please provide proof of this.


I'm not negative, ...

Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.


........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take more
than my lifetime to recover.

Think what you want but get out of my way.

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JimH wrote:


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John H wrote:



On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim," wrote:





JimH wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:





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John H wrote:






On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:








"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before he
was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak
picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about
the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that
Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going to
work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are you
going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake
Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different entities.
The market has yet to reach the level it was when Bush
assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN employment
(in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions of jobs have
moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not all
encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your mind.
You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over the fact
that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I pointed
out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in 5 years.
yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000 points below what
it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good pace", might indicate that
in 8 years we'll be even. I don't consider that good at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all that
hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your words),
yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in the
sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That is
our future here in the US.




Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force the
central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y


Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your news?
LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the economy
is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain on the
increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends and
family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.



Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?


Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on the
economy?

Then do tell the secret of your great financial success -- what do you read?



Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.




And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real assets.
Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..


The name is Jim, not John.

Sorry my misteak


.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to say
that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most arrogent, and
purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't read the news,


Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him daily?
One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on other
important things.

He is now subject to what advisors like Karl R and others tell him --
effectively becoming litle more than a puppet. Whitness the WMD fiesco

You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad was.
They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand for the
things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

I admitted nothing -- I am a non-afiliated voter

That may be the problem Jim.



....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).


That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine thing
to say.

He admitted it when he was 'Born again?"



He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to the
effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

He has helf fewer press confrences than any modern president.


July 16, 2004
Quote of the Day
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."

-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private
meeting with an Amish group.


Please provide proof of this.

How many times did he mention God in the state of the union address.


I'm not negative, ...


Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.



........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take more
than my lifetime to recover.


Think what you want but get out of my way.

How am I in your way?

"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...


JimH wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...



John H wrote:



On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:





JimH wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
.. .





JimH wrote:





"Jim," wrote in message
...






John H wrote:






On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:








"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before he
was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak
picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about
the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that
Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going
to work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are you
going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful
Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different entities.
The market has yet to reach the level it was when Bush
assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN
employment (in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions of
jobs have moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not all
encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your
mind. You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over the
fact that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I pointed
out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in 5 years.
yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000 points below
what it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good pace", might
indicate that in 8 years we'll be even. I don't consider that good
at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all
that hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your words),
yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in
the sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That is
our future here in the US.




Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force the
central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y


Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your news?
LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the economy
is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain on the
increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends and
family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way
please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the
dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.



Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?


Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on
the economy?

Then do tell the secret of your great financial success -- what do you
read?

I never said I had great financial success. I said I am making money.

I read a variety of site on the internet. I subscribe to the WSJ and read
many of the national np's on line.

I also watch Fox, CNN and CNBC.

Pretty balanced I would say..





Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.




And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton
times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real assets.
Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..


The name is Jim, not John.

Sorry my misteak


NP. ;-)




.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to
say that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most
arrogent, and purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't
read the news,


Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him
daily? One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on
other important things.

He is now subject to what advisors like Karl R and others tell him --
effectively becoming litle more than a puppet. Whitness the WMD fiesco

You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad was.
They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand for
the things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

I admitted nothing -- I am a non-afiliated voter


Your words betray you.



That may be the problem Jim.



....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).


That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine
thing to say.

He admitted it when he was 'Born again?"

Cite?





He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to
the effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

He has helf fewer press confrences than any modern president.

So?




July 16, 2004
Quote of the Day
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."

-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private
meeting with an Amish group.

What a great man. Belief in God is a core value we all should have.
Perhaps then the world would be a better place.




Please provide proof of this.

How many times did he mention God in the state of the union address.

So? What is your point? That he is a Christian?




I'm not negative, ...


Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.



........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take
more than my lifetime to recover.


Think what you want but get out of my way.

How am I in your way?

Your negative thinking gets in my way.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:05:59 GMT, "Jim," wrote:


I think of myself as a realist John, and having lived under all
presidents since rousevelt, I have to say that even considering Nixon,
Bush is the least capable, most arrogent, and purposlyignorant president
to date. He admits he doesn't read the news, he has no idea of other
cultures (other than mexican, where he probably learned from whores).
He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to
the effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

I'm not negative, just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it
will take more than my lifetime to recover.

First, I think you meant this to be addressed to Jim.

Secondly, your post shows that your objectivity is sorely lacking (mexican
whores?). This makes continuing any sort of discussion pretty impossible.

When asked what papers he read, Bush responded that he didn't. His news is
compiled from multiple sources, including newspapers, by a whole potful of folks
who do nothing but read, snip, and copy. The daily news summaries are sent to
all the 'high rollers' on the hill and vicinity (including Pentagon). I was
never a high enough roller to get my own copy, but did often have a chance to
look at a 'day old' one.

That's probably not good enough for you, who undoubtedly spends hours and hours
going through all the major newspapers.

Perhaps the following will help explain why someone who is busy has better
things to do than spend hours reading newspapers!
************************************************** *****


* Newspaper Hierarchy
*
* 1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who
* run the country.
*
* 2. The Washington Post is read by people who think
* they run the country.
*
* 3. The New York Times is read by people who think
* they should run the country, and who are very good at
* crosswords.
*
* 4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to
* run the country but don't really understand the
* Washington Post. They do, however, like their
* statistics shown in pie charts.
*
* 5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who
* wouldn't mind running the country, if they could spare
* the time, and if they didn't have to leave L. A. to do
* it.
*
* 6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents
* used to run the country and did a far superior job of
* it, thank you very much.
*
* 7. The New York Daily News is read by people who
* aren't too sure who's running the country, and don't
* really care as long as they can get a seat on the
* train
*
* . 8. The New York Post is read by people who don't
* care who's running the country, as long as they do
* something really scandalous, preferably while
* intoxicated.
*
* 9. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who
* aren't sure there is a country .... or that anyone is
* running it; but whoever it is, they oppose all that
* they stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the
* leaders are handicapped minority feminist atheist
* dwarfs, who also happen to be illegal aliens from ANY
* country or galaxy as long as they are Democrats.
*
* 10. The Miami Herald is read by people who are
* running another country but need the baseball scores.
*
* 11. The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in
* line at the grocery store.



John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes

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JimH wrote:

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John H wrote:




On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:






JimH wrote:





"Jim," wrote in message
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JimH wrote:






"Jim," wrote in message
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John H wrote:







On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:









"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before he
was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very bleak
picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking about
the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say that
Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going
to work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are you
going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful
Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different entities.
The market has yet to reach the level it was when Bush
assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN
employment (in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions of
jobs have moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not all
encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your
mind. You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over the
fact that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I pointed
out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in 5 years.
yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000 points below
what it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good pace", might
indicate that in 8 years we'll be even. I don't consider that good
at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all
that hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your words),
yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in
the sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That is
our future here in the US.





Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force the
central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y



Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your news?
LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the economy
is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain on the
increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends and
family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way
please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the
dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.




Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?


Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on
the economy?

Then do tell the secret of your great financial success -- what do you
read?


I never said I had great financial success. I said I am making money.

I read a variety of site on the internet. I subscribe to the WSJ and read
many of the national np's on line.

I also watch Fox, CNN and CNBC.

Pretty balanced I would say..





Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.





And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton
times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real assets.
Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..


The name is Jim, not John.

Sorry my misteak



NP. ;-)




.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to
say that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most
arrogent, and purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't
read the news,


Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him
daily? One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on
other important things.

He is now subject to what advisors like Karl R and others tell him --
effectively becoming litle more than a puppet. Whitness the WMD fiesco

You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad was.
They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand for
the things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

I admitted nothing -- I am a non-afiliated voter



Your words betray you.



That may be the problem Jim.




....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).


That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine
thing to say.

He admitted it when he was 'Born again?"


Welllll there seems to be some debate as to just how "born again" he is

see
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1398.cfm



Cite?





He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to
the effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

He has helf fewer press confrences than any modern president.

Doesn't the public have a right to know what (Y)our leaders are up to?


So?




July 16, 2004
Quote of the Day
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."

-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private
meeting with an Amish group.



*I trust God speaks through me* Is the statement of a rational man? A
man who is responsible for killing thousands, and torturing probably
thousands --- YEAH YEAH -- it was underlings -- but the buck stops at
the top, and you were telling me how informed he is.



What a great man. Belief in God is a core value we all should have.
Perhaps then the world would be a better place.

In my (not so) humble opinion, relegion is the cause of most of the
worlds problems.




Please provide proof of this.

How many times did he mention God in the state of the union address.


So? What is your point? That he is a Christian?




I'm not negative, ...


Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.




........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take
more than my lifetime to recover.


Think what you want but get out of my way.

How am I in your way?


Your negative thinking gets in my way.

Then quot responding to the bait.

"Jim," wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...


JimH wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
...



JimH wrote:



"Jim," wrote in message
.. .




John H wrote:




On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:






JimH wrote:





"Jim," wrote in message
...






JimH wrote:






"Jim," wrote in message
. ny...







John H wrote:







On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:









"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before
he was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very
bleak picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking
about the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say
that Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going
to work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are
you going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from
reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful
Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible
and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different
entities. The market has yet to reach the level it was when
Bush assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN
employment (in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions
of jobs have moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not
all encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your
mind. You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over
the fact that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I
pointed out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in
5 years. yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000
points below what it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good
pace", might indicate that in 8 years we'll be even. I don't
consider that good at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all
that hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your
words), yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake
Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in
the sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That
is our future here in the US.





Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force
the central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y



Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your
news? LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the
economy is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain
on the increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends
and family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way
please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the
dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.




Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?


Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on
the economy?

Then do tell the secret of your great financial success -- what do you
read?


I never said I had great financial success. I said I am making money.

I read a variety of site on the internet. I subscribe to the WSJ and
read many of the national np's on line.

I also watch Fox, CNN and CNBC.

Pretty balanced I would say..





Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.





And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton
times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real
assets. Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..


The name is Jim, not John.

Sorry my misteak



NP. ;-)




.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to
say that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most
arrogent, and purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't
read the news,


Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him
daily? One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on
other important things.

He is now subject to what advisors like Karl R and others tell him --
effectively becoming litle more than a puppet. Whitness the WMD fiesco

You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad
was. They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand
for the things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

I admitted nothing -- I am a non-afiliated voter



Your words betray you.



That may be the problem Jim.




....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).


That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine
thing to say.

He admitted it when he was 'Born again?"


Welllll there seems to be some debate as to just how "born again" he is

see
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1398.cfm



You are responding to your own statement/ Why?




Cite?





He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to
the effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

He has helf fewer press confrences than any modern president.

Doesn't the public have a right to know what (Y)our leaders are up to?

Sure they do. And all they have to do is to listen to the daily briefings
to the press corps, read the newspapers, watch the news programs on cable or
surf the net for news.






So?




July 16, 2004
Quote of the Day
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."

-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private
meeting with an Amish group.



*I trust God speaks through me* Is the statement of a rational man?


Jesus said something similar, as did Moses. Are you saying they were not
rational men?

Regardless, could you provide a cite as to the quote you attribute to GWB?



A man who is responsible for killing thousands, and torturing probably
thousands --- YEAH YEAH -- it was underlings -- but the buck stops at the
top, and you were telling me how informed he is.

You of course are talking about Sadam. I am indeed glad he was captured and
his government overturned.




What a great man. Belief in God is a core value we all should have.
Perhaps then the world would be a better place.

In my (not so) humble opinion, relegion is the cause of most of the worlds
problems.


Perhaps, but is it due to a belief in God or religious extemism? The answer
is obvious to most.





Please provide proof of this.

How many times did he mention God in the state of the union address.


So? What is your point? That he is a Christian?




I'm not negative, ...


Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.




........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take
more than my lifetime to recover.


Think what you want but get out of my way.

How am I in your way?


Your negative thinking gets in my way.

Then quot responding to the bait.

You are admitting you are baiting me? Why? I thought we had an honest
discussion going.

I guess your credibility has gone right down the drain.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:36:28 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

The economic "failure" of the Bush administration, viewed in
retrospect, can be directly laid at the feet of the Clinton
Administration.

I'm so so so tired of hearing this excuse. One wonders if there will
come a time when Bush will be forced to take responsibility for his
catastrophic screw-ups, starting with 9-11.

It's not an excuse Harry and you know it.

Simple plain facts with no political message behind them.

Later,

Tom

JimH wrote:
"Jim," wrote in message
...

JimH wrote:

"Jim," wrote in message
...


JimH wrote:


"Jim," wrote in message
...



JimH wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
...




JimH wrote:




"Jim," wrote in message
. ..





John H wrote:





On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:







JimH wrote:






"Jim," wrote in message
y...







JimH wrote:







"Jim," wrote in message
.ny...








John H wrote:








On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:










"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before
he was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very
bleak picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking
about the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say
that Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going
to work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are
you going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from
reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful
Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible
and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different
entities. The market has yet to reach the level it was when
Bush assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN
employment (in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions
of jobs have moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not
all encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your
mind. You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over
the fact that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I
pointed out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in
5 years. yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000
points below what it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good
pace", might indicate that in 8 years we'll be even. I don't
consider that good at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all
that hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your
words), yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake
Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in
the sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That
is our future here in the US.






Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force
the central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y




Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your
news? LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the
economy is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain
on the increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends
and family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way
please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the
dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.





Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?


Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on
the economy?

Then do tell the secret of your great financial success -- what do you
read?


I never said I had great financial success. I said I am making money.

I read a variety of site on the internet. I subscribe to the WSJ and
read many of the national np's on line.

I also watch Fox, CNN and CNBC.

Pretty balanced I would say..





Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.






And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton
times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real
assets. Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..


The name is Jim, not John.

Sorry my misteak



NP. ;-)




.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to
say that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most
arrogent, and purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't
read the news,


Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him
daily? One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on
other important things.

He is now subject to what advisors like Karl R and others tell him --
effectively becoming litle more than a puppet. Whitness the WMD fiesco


You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad
was. They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand
for the things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

I admitted nothing -- I am a non-afiliated voter



Your words betray you.




That may be the problem Jim.





....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).


That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine
thing to say.

He admitted it when he was 'Born again?"




see





You are responding to your own statement/ Why?

Better placement for you?




Cite?
Welllll there seems to be some debate as to just how "born again" he is

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1398.cfm






He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to
the effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

He has helf fewer press confrences than any modern president.

Doesn't the public have a right to know what (Y)our leaders are up to?


Sure they do. And all they have to do is to listen to the daily briefings
to the press corps, read the newspapers, watch the news programs on cable or
surf the net for news.






So?




July 16, 2004
Quote of the Day
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."

-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private
meeting with an Amish group.


*I trust God speaks through me* Is the statement of a rational man?



Jesus said something similar, as did Moses. Are you saying they were not
rational men?

Are YOU saying Bush is in the same league as biblical prophets?

Regardless, could you provide a cite as to the quote you attribute to GWB?
http://politicalwire.com/archives/20...f_the_day.html





A man who is responsible for killing thousands, and torturing probably
thousands --- YEAH YEAH -- it was underlings -- but the buck stops at the
top, and you were telling me how informed he is.


You of course are talking about Sadam. I am indeed glad he was captured and
his government overturned.

And 1500 americans, and untold Iraquis are dead -- yet Osama is alive
and well




What a great man. Belief in God is a core value we all should have.
Perhaps then the world would be a better place.

In my (not so) humble opinion, relegion is the cause of most of the worlds
problems.



Perhaps, but is it due to a belief in God or religious extemism? The answer
is obvious to most.




Please provide proof of this.

How many times did he mention God in the state of the union address.


So? What is your point? That he is a Christian?




I'm not negative, ...


Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.





........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take
more than my lifetime to recover.


Think what you want but get out of my way.

How am I in your way?


Your negative thinking gets in my way.

Then quot responding to the bait.


You are admitting you are baiting me? Why? I thought we had an honest
discussion going.

I guess your credibility has gone right down the drain.

My credibility is intact -- Gannon was a ringer, Bush lied, thousands
died -- that sorta sums up my position. You chose to defend him -- your
problem, not mine.

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:36:39 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:







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John H wrote:








On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:57:37 GMT, "Jim,"
wrote:










"Jeff Gannon's" incredible access
There's evidence he got into White House briefings before
he was a "reporter."



And the only reporter with a decent question!

Thank you. Senate Democratic leaders have painted a very
bleak picture of the
U.S. economy. [Senate Minority Leader] Harry Reid [D-NV] was
talking about soup
lines. And [Senator] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] was talking
about the economy being
on the verge of collapse. Yet in the same breath they say
that Social Security
is rock solid and there's no crisis there. How are you going
to work -- you've
said you are going to reach out to these people -- how are
you going to work
with people who seem to have divorced themselves from
reality?

Good one, no?

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful
Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible
and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes

NO! the US economy and the SS system are 2 different
entities. The market has yet to reach the level it was when
Bush assumed/stole/was anointed to/ somehow got office. UN
employment (in real numbers) -- is about the same; Millions
of jobs have moved offshore, bankruptcies are up

Tell me John -- what IS good about the economy?????


I can answer that:

1. A larger than expected rise in retail sales (.06%)

2. Average hourly earnings up

3. A decrease to 5.2% in the unemployment rate

4. 1% increase in productivity during the 4th quarter 2004

5. Durable goods orders up.
6. 146,0000 new jobs in January 2005

7. 2.7% inflation rate

8. 4.4% growth in the economy

"Overall, reports indicate that the economic recovery is well
established and proceeding at a good pace. "

http://www.dallasfed.org/eyi/usecon/...501update.html,
amongst others.

For you Jim,

http://www.geocities.com/mjloundy/


Up from what point? Where is your baseline? Decrease in Un
employment since when?
How about numbers based on 2000 when Bush took office!


You made the ridiculous statement "What is *good* about the
economy?" I told you what is good. The list was certainly not
all encompassing.

Yet you still cannot accept it.

Conclusion: No amount of information is going to change your
mind. You have a hard on for George W Bush and cannot get over
the fact that he won.

Get a grip guy and move on.


The comparison might be from 2001 (the first year of Bush when
everything went to hell). I'd like to see things compared to the
last year of Clinton when we were doing pretty good. As I
pointed out yesterday, the DOW hasn't reached it's high point in
5 years. yesterday it closed at 10.754; almost exactly 1000
points below what it hit under Clinton. "Proceding at a good
pace", might indicate that in 8 years we'll be even. I don't
consider that good at all.

As requested before -- where is your baseline? Shouldn't be all
that hard to tell me.


Aren't your own words, to which you chose not to comment, a good
enough
baseline?

Think about it - millions of jobs have moved offshore (your
words), yet
employment is about the same (your words). Bush must be doing
something pretty
well.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake
Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and
necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes


ANd you think "millions of jobs moving offshore" is a good thing?


It's a global economy. Add to that the high union wages and pie in
the sky environmental demands and you have companies setting up
manufacturing plants where the cost of doing is cheaper and more
efficient. The brawn is leaving and being replaced by brain. That
is our future here in the US.






Just a few headlines from Cnn financial news today
http://money.cnn.com/

Bigger-than-expected jump in PPI is worrisome, but will it force
the central bank to get more aggressive?

Major gauges churn in tight range after biggest jump in wholesale
prices in 6 years; bonds tumble

Bonds mixed, dollar slips


Bonds are always weak when the market is strong.


From MSNBC http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072/?ta=y




Stocks waver amid inflation worries

Wholesale prices moved up in January



CNN and MSNBC....could you choose more liberal sources for your
news? LOL

Regardless, go and pick and choose what you want. Overall the
economy is robust. Greenspan confirms that. Factory orders remain
on the increase, also confirming that.

Go hide your money under your mattress. I am making money in this
"terrible" economy, as are many businesses and most of my friends
and family.

Doomsayers like you only slow the progress so get out of the way
please.


Might I suggest that bonds are week, based on the weekness of the
dollar?


The bond market is always weak during a stong stock market.





Sounds like youget all your news from Faux -- didn't know they did
financials, just lies and BS.


Nope. I get my news from a variety of sources.

Such as??? newsmax, limbaugh, O'reilly et all?


Why do you make such assumptions? Because I have a positive outlook on
the economy?

Then do tell the secret of your great financial success -- what do you
read?


I never said I had great financial success. I said I am making money.

I read a variety of site on the internet. I subscribe to the WSJ and
read many of the national np's on line.

I also watch Fox, CNN and CNBC.

Pretty balanced I would say..





Are you always this negative Jim? Life must be a real bitch for you.






And as for the economy, we're still down 1000 points from Clinton
times.


That was a false market based on dot com companies with no real
assets. Yep the bubble burst....and it was during Clinton's watch.


I think of myself as a realist John, ..


The name is Jim, not John.

Sorry my misteak



NP. ;-)




.......and having lived under all presidents since rousevelt, I have to
say that even considering Nixon, Bush is the least capable, most
arrogent, and purposlyignorant president to date. He admits he doesn't
read the news,


Why should he when he had advisors who do that for him and brief him
daily? One could say that by not reading the news he is able to focus on
other important things.

He is now subject to what advisors like Karl R and others tell him --
effectively becoming litle more than a puppet. Whitness the WMD fiesco


You just admitted you are a long term democrat. My mom was. My dad
was. They never changed despite the fact that the Republicans now stand
for the things the Democrats did in the Roosevelt times.

I admitted nothing -- I am a non-afiliated voter



Your words betray you.




That may be the problem Jim.





....... he has no idea of other cultures (other than mexican, where he
probably learned from whores).


That statement just sank your credibility. What an absolutely asinine
thing to say.

He admitted it when he was 'Born again?"


Welllll there seems to be some debate as to just how "born again" he is

see
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1398.cfm




You are responding to your own statement/ Why?




Cite?





He feals he's above hold press confrences. and has stated something to
the effect that he feals "ordained by God" for the job.

He has helf fewer press confrences than any modern president.

Doesn't the public have a right to know what (Y)our leaders are up to?


Sure they do. And all they have to do is to listen to the daily briefings
to the press corps, read the newspapers, watch the news programs on cable or
surf the net for news.






So?




July 16, 2004
Quote of the Day
"I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job."

-- President Bush, quoted in the Lancaster New Era, during a private
meeting with an Amish group.


*I trust God speaks through me* Is the statement of a rational man?



Jesus said something similar, as did Moses. Are you saying they were not
rational men?

Regardless, could you provide a cite as to the quote you attribute to GWB?




A man who is responsible for killing thousands, and torturing probably
thousands --- YEAH YEAH -- it was underlings -- but the buck stops at the
top, and you were telling me how informed he is.


You of course are talking about Sadam. I am indeed glad he was captured and
his government overturned.




What a great man. Belief in God is a core value we all should have.
Perhaps then the world would be a better place.

In my (not so) humble opinion, relegion is the cause of most of the worlds
problems.



Perhaps, but is it due to a belief in God or religious extemism? The answer
is obvious to most.




Please provide proof of this.

How many times did he mention God in the state of the union address.


So? What is your point? That he is a Christian?




I'm not negative, ...


Yes you are. I have yet to read a positive story from you.





........just scared the SOB will **** the country so bad it will take
more than my lifetime to recover.


Think what you want but get out of my way.

How am I in your way?


Your negative thinking gets in my way.

Then quot responding to the bait.


You are admitting you are baiting me? Why? I thought we had an honest
discussion going.

I guess your credibility has gone right down the drain.



Forgot to add the last response was delayed as I went out to dinner,
now I have a lady to atend to so goodnight.