I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of my
40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.
I recntly got it back and hooked the water muffs to it and fired it up. I
only ran it for a few minutes but I noticed water coming from places that I
didnt recal it coming from before. Thats not to say it wasn't coming from
thses places, i just dont remember it doing it. Can someone take a look at
this picture http://coopscorner.com/takealook/force-p-holes.htm and let me
know if this is normal? It didnt run long and there was water coming from
the hole that is higher on the engine. It wasn;t coming out in a steady
stream but more like spitting which is what it was doing before.

Also I noticed after a few days of sitting after it has ran that there is
some oil seeping from behind the prop. It doesn;t look like it has water in
it, and there isn;t a lot of it.

Thanks for the advice and input....Tom C

tcoop wrote:

I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of my
40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.
I recntly got it back and hooked the water muffs to it and fired it up. I
only ran it for a few minutes but I noticed water coming from places that I
didnt recal it coming from before. Thats not to say it wasn't coming from
thses places, i just dont remember it doing it. Can someone take a look at
this picture http://coopscorner.com/takealook/force-p-holes.htm and let me
know if this is normal? It didnt run long and there was water coming from
the hole that is higher on the engine. It wasn;t coming out in a steady
stream but more like spitting which is what it was doing before.

Also I noticed after a few days of sitting after it has ran that there is
some oil seeping from behind the prop. It doesn;t look like it has water in
it, and there isn;t a lot of it.

Thanks for the advice and input....Tom C


Above the foot, or gear case/transmission, the power shaft passes
through an impeller for the cooling water pump. Near the pump
bearing is a seal, to keep cooling water out of the otherwise empty
part of the leg. You probably need a new seal if you want to keep
lotsa water happening for your engine, and to keep the barnacles out
from the inside of the leg.

Does the engine shake when running?

A bad seal often means the bearing is a wreck, wobbly, and the shaft
is tearing up the seal. You may need a new bearing or bushing or
lower leg, even a power shaft if the bearing race / bushing is gone.
The impeller will be torn up some, too, probably.

I had one like that, luckily my machinist friend had a big enough
lathe that he could turn out the race way and make an oilite bushing
to save the day. The alternative is a steady hand and a big drill press.

You can start by releasing the shifter shaft clamps inside the leg
under the access door, and proceeding to change the impeller. If the
foot gear oil shows no water that would be lucky, but you likely
need bearing and seal work in that area, too. My pinion gear was all
chewed up, but amazingly, still functioned.

I sold the motor to my sister in law, for about what the repair cost
me, and she is still using it, torn up pinion and all, 3 years later.

Terry K

Does this sound reasonable to you, it does to me.
I took this picture to a repair shop today and he said that water coming out
of the holes is normal. He said that lower unit there is a water jacket that
surropunds the exhaust to keep it cool and those holes are for the water to
escape so cooler water can replace it to keep the unit cool. It made since
to me.

As far as the oil, he said it was hard to tell but because it was ideling in
the driveway it is possible the oil built up and seeped out. He said he
would take it down the river and let it open up a little and then see if it
seeps out. He also said check the unit for water. He said it is possible
that one of the 2 seals was bad allowing oil out but not allowing water in.
I will check the oil for water after i have the unit in the lake and
submerged.

What do you think, does this fella make since to you?
Tom


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
tcoop wrote:

I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of
my 40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.
I recntly got it back and hooked the water muffs to it and fired it up. I
only ran it for a few minutes but I noticed water coming from places that
I didnt recal it coming from before. Thats not to say it wasn't coming
from thses places, i just dont remember it doing it. Can someone take a
look at this picture http://coopscorner.com/takealook/force-p-holes.htm
and let me know if this is normal? It didnt run long and there was water
coming from the hole that is higher on the engine. It wasn;t coming out
in a steady stream but more like spitting which is what it was doing
before.

Also I noticed after a few days of sitting after it has ran that there is
some oil seeping from behind the prop. It doesn;t look like it has water
in it, and there isn;t a lot of it.

Thanks for the advice and input....Tom C

Above the foot, or gear case/transmission, the power shaft passes through
an impeller for the cooling water pump. Near the pump bearing is a seal,
to keep cooling water out of the otherwise empty part of the leg. You
probably need a new seal if you want to keep lotsa water happening for
your engine, and to keep the barnacles out from the inside of the leg.

Does the engine shake when running?

A bad seal often means the bearing is a wreck, wobbly, and the shaft is
tearing up the seal. You may need a new bearing or bushing or lower leg,
even a power shaft if the bearing race / bushing is gone. The impeller
will be torn up some, too, probably.

I had one like that, luckily my machinist friend had a big enough lathe
that he could turn out the race way and make an oilite bushing to save the
day. The alternative is a steady hand and a big drill press.

You can start by releasing the shifter shaft clamps inside the leg under
the access door, and proceeding to change the impeller. If the foot gear
oil shows no water that would be lucky, but you likely need bearing and
seal work in that area, too. My pinion gear was all chewed up, but
amazingly, still functioned.

I sold the motor to my sister in law, for about what the repair cost me,
and she is still using it, torn up pinion and all, 3 years later.

Terry K

Yes it does, the holes look like water jacket drains to me, I have never had
a force, but have had Mercury, Mariner, Yamaha, Johnson outboards, and they
spray water out all over the place when out of the water.

Definitely check the oil in the lower, if it is full of water, your prop
shaft seal, or drive shaft seals may be shot. What the other response stated
about the impeller getting torn up is a truism as well if these seals are
shot and a bushing or bearing is shot, had an old 75 Johnson with that same
problem that was trash.

If your lower is fairly free of oil, less than a tablespoon after sitting
for a while and the oil isn't milk, then the oil draining from the prop area
is just unburned oil settling in your exhaust tube from the power head. If
this is the case, it would be dirty and dark looking. If it is clean, which
I would doubt, it MAY be from the lower. If it is dripping from the lower
gearcase, you will have lots of water in there as well to allow oil to drip
out.

I am not a marine mechanic, but have torn down and rebuilt at least 6
outboards over the years, and used them for the last 30!

"tcoop" wrote in message
.. .
Does this sound reasonable to you, it does to me.
I took this picture to a repair shop today and he said that water coming
out of the holes is normal. He said that lower unit there is a water
jacket that surropunds the exhaust to keep it cool and those holes are for
the water to escape so cooler water can replace it to keep the unit cool.
It made since to me.

As far as the oil, he said it was hard to tell but because it was idlng in
the driveway it is possible the oil built up and seeped out. He said he
would take it down the river and let it open up a little and then see if
it seeps out. He also said check the unit for water. He said it is
possible that one of the 2 seals was bad allowing oil out but not allowing
water in. I will check the oil for water after i have the unit in the lake
and submerged.

What do you think, does this fella make since to you?
Tom


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
tcoop wrote:

I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of
my 40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.
I recntly got it back and hooked the water muffs to it and fired it up.
I only ran it for a few minutes but I noticed water coming from places
that I didnt recal it coming from before. Thats not to say it wasn't
coming from thses places, i just dont remember it doing it. Can someone
take a look at this picture
http://coopscorner.com/takealook/force-p-holes.htm and let me know if
this is normal? It didnt run long and there was water coming from the
hole that is higher on the engine. It wasn;t coming out in a steady
stream but more like spitting which is what it was doing before.

Also I noticed after a few days of sitting after it has ran that there
is some oil seeping from behind the prop. It doesn;t look like it has
water in it, and there isn;t a lot of it.

Thanks for the advice and input....Tom C

Above the foot, or gear case/transmission, the power shaft passes through
an impeller for the cooling water pump. Near the pump bearing is a seal,
to keep cooling water out of the otherwise empty part of the leg. You
probably need a new seal if you want to keep lotsa water happening for
your engine, and to keep the barnacles out from the inside of the leg.

Does the engine shake when running?

A bad seal often means the bearing is a wreck, wobbly, and the shaft is
tearing up the seal. You may need a new bearing or bushing or lower
leg, even a power shaft if the bearing race / bushing is gone. The
impeller will be torn up some, too, probably.

I had one like that, luckily my machinist friend had a big enough lathe
that he could turn out the race way and make an oilite bushing to save
the day. The alternative is a steady hand and a big drill press.

You can start by releasing the shifter shaft clamps inside the leg under
the access door, and proceeding to change the impeller. If the foot gear
oil shows no water that would be lucky, but you likely need bearing and
seal work in that area, too. My pinion gear was all chewed up, but
amazingly, still functioned.

I sold the motor to my sister in law, for about what the repair cost me,
and she is still using it, torn up pinion and all, 3 years later.

Terry K

He is correct. Sounds like an honest knowledgable repair shop.

When idling you will get an oil buildup in the exhaust. Chances are this is
what you have.
If the oil is leaking from the gearcase it will leak even without the engine
running. Clean everything up good and then check it in a couple of days.
If leaking lower unit oil will be there again.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com
"tcoop" wrote in message
.. .
Does this sound reasonable to you, it does to me.
I took this picture to a repair shop today and he said that water coming
out of the holes is normal. He said that lower unit there is a water
jacket that surropunds the exhaust to keep it cool and those holes are for
the water to escape so cooler water can replace it to keep the unit cool.
It made since to me.

As far as the oil, he said it was hard to tell but because it was ideling
in the driveway it is possible the oil built up and seeped out. He said he
would take it down the river and let it open up a little and then see if
it seeps out. He also said check the unit for water. He said it is
possible that one of the 2 seals was bad allowing oil out but not allowing
water in. I will check the oil for water after i have the unit in the lake
and submerged.

What do you think, does this fella make since to you?
Tom


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
tcoop wrote:

I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of
my 40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.
I recntly got it back and hooked the water muffs to it and fired it up.
I only ran it for a few minutes but I noticed water coming from places
that I didnt recal it coming from before. Thats not to say it wasn't
coming from thses places, i just dont remember it doing it. Can someone
take a look at this picture
http://coopscorner.com/takealook/force-p-holes.htm and let me know if
this is normal? It didnt run long and there was water coming from the
hole that is higher on the engine. It wasn;t coming out in a steady
stream but more like spitting which is what it was doing before.

Also I noticed after a few days of sitting after it has ran that there
is some oil seeping from behind the prop. It doesn;t look like it has
water in it, and there isn;t a lot of it.

Thanks for the advice and input....Tom C

Above the foot, or gear case/transmission, the power shaft passes through
an impeller for the cooling water pump. Near the pump bearing is a seal,
to keep cooling water out of the otherwise empty part of the leg. You
probably need a new seal if you want to keep lotsa water happening for
your engine, and to keep the barnacles out from the inside of the leg.

Does the engine shake when running?

A bad seal often means the bearing is a wreck, wobbly, and the shaft is
tearing up the seal. You may need a new bearing or bushing or lower
leg, even a power shaft if the bearing race / bushing is gone. The
impeller will be torn up some, too, probably.

I had one like that, luckily my machinist friend had a big enough lathe
that he could turn out the race way and make an oilite bushing to save
the day. The alternative is a steady hand and a big drill press.

You can start by releasing the shifter shaft clamps inside the leg under
the access door, and proceeding to change the impeller. If the foot gear
oil shows no water that would be lucky, but you likely need bearing and
seal work in that area, too. My pinion gear was all chewed up, but
amazingly, still functioned.

I sold the motor to my sister in law, for about what the repair cost me,
and she is still using it, torn up pinion and all, 3 years later.

Terry K

Thanks to everyone for the input on this. I was hoping it was just exhasut
oil, it is dark and not milky looking. The engine does not vibrate but the
guy at the shop told me to keep a close eye under the top cowling. He said
these engines have a tendency to vibrate and shake loose on the top end. He
said if that happens i will see signs of it happening and can fix it before
much damage is done.
Thanks again for everyones help.

Tom



"tcoop" wrote in message
.. .
Does this sound reasonable to you, it does to me.
I took this picture to a repair shop today and he said that water coming
out of the holes is normal. He said that lower unit there is a water
jacket that surropunds the exhaust to keep it cool and those holes are for
the water to escape so cooler water can replace it to keep the unit cool.
It made since to me.

As far as the oil, he said it was hard to tell but because it was ideling
in the driveway it is possible the oil built up and seeped out. He said he
would take it down the river and let it open up a little and then see if
it seeps out. He also said check the unit for water. He said it is
possible that one of the 2 seals was bad allowing oil out but not allowing
water in. I will check the oil for water after i have the unit in the lake
and submerged.

What do you think, does this fella make since to you?
Tom


"Terry Spragg" wrote in message
...
tcoop wrote:

I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of
my 40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.
I recntly got it back and hooked the water muffs to it and fired it up.
I only ran it for a few minutes but I noticed water coming from places
that I didnt recal it coming from before. Thats not to say it wasn't
coming from thses places, i just dont remember it doing it. Can someone
take a look at this picture
http://coopscorner.com/takealook/force-p-holes.htm and let me know if
this is normal? It didnt run long and there was water coming from the
hole that is higher on the engine. It wasn;t coming out in a steady
stream but more like spitting which is what it was doing before.

Also I noticed after a few days of sitting after it has ran that there
is some oil seeping from behind the prop. It doesn;t look like it has
water in it, and there isn;t a lot of it.

Thanks for the advice and input....Tom C

Above the foot, or gear case/transmission, the power shaft passes through
an impeller for the cooling water pump. Near the pump bearing is a seal,
to keep cooling water out of the otherwise empty part of the leg. You
probably need a new seal if you want to keep lotsa water happening for
your engine, and to keep the barnacles out from the inside of the leg.

Does the engine shake when running?

A bad seal often means the bearing is a wreck, wobbly, and the shaft is
tearing up the seal. You may need a new bearing or bushing or lower
leg, even a power shaft if the bearing race / bushing is gone. The
impeller will be torn up some, too, probably.

I had one like that, luckily my machinist friend had a big enough lathe
that he could turn out the race way and make an oilite bushing to save
the day. The alternative is a steady hand and a big drill press.

You can start by releasing the shifter shaft clamps inside the leg under
the access door, and proceeding to change the impeller. If the foot gear
oil shows no water that would be lucky, but you likely need bearing and
seal work in that area, too. My pinion gear was all chewed up, but
amazingly, still functioned.

I sold the motor to my sister in law, for about what the repair cost me,
and she is still using it, torn up pinion and all, 3 years later.

Terry K

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:56:11 -0500, "tcoop" wrote:

I have a couple questions. I recently had some work done to the foot of my
40ph Force engine. It had water in the oil in a big time way.

I have a 40 Force on my 16' dingy, that I use off my 65' Donzi. Nice
little engine.