Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA

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Well if it has just gotten too rowdy, we'll be more than willing to
tone it down, If you ask us real nice!

Good grief, now I've actually contributed to giving Tinkerntom even
more of
a god complex!

Tinkerntom, ferchrissakes, get over yourself. A nut preaching about
god is
one thing, a nut who thinks he IS god is much worse!

Well now see guys, you have him yellin around your campfire! TnT

in article , Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/6/05 3:50 AM:




Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA

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Well if it has just gotten too rowdy, we'll be more than willing to
tone it down, If you ask us real nice!

Good grief, now I've actually contributed to giving Tinkerntom even
more of
a god complex!

Tinkerntom, ferchrissakes, get over yourself. A nut preaching about
god is
one thing, a nut who thinks he IS god is much worse!

Well now see guys, you have him yellin around your campfire! TnT

Does anyone else picture Tinkerntom smoking a spliff the size of a baeball
bat 24/7?

Bob P wrote:

Gentlemen,

If you wish to debate endlessly, could you find a more appropriate
newsgroup? If your conversation consisted of 20 posts, it would be
within reason for an OT series, but these have gone on for more than
1000. Find yourselves a better home. Please.

I've started using the 'Auto-Kill Thread' option on my news reader a lot
recently. All this does is stop the particular (off-topic) thread ever
appearing again in my news reader window, works a treat! Stops people
having to post complaints about long threads as well - hopefully... ;-)

....and less draconian than setting up an intricate Kill File - though I
do use one of those as well.

It's a simple key-combination on my particular reader / computer.

If the contributor to this newsgroup stay on topic then how the hell are
we going to find out what they are like? I would hate to invite some of
the members of this group on an extreme descent because though they may
be the best kayak paddler out there I just could not get along with them
because of their known attitude to the local population! Now a less than
extreme descent where there are no external stress factors to deal with
then I can tolerate having a redneck rafter along to move the beer! (AND
before you flame me NOT all rafters are Rednecks)

In message , bb
writes
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:09:08 GMT, John Fereira
wrote:

Sure, it's simple to delete posts that you're not going to read buy why
should we?

You don't need to bother deleting them, just have the willpower not
to read them.

This is a newsgroup about paddling. There are many other
newsgroups in which political discussion, and even flaming is on topic.
Those that want to read that kind of article can go to those groups.

That all sounds just dandy, but it doesn't work in reality. I tried
going from the boating news group to the political group to talk
politics, and a boating topic broke out. I left my football group and
went the flame group to do some flaming and a football discussion
broke out. Even the dang political and flaming groups stray off
topic. Personally, I think it's all Bush's fault.

That's
the whole point of creating topically based groups.

Stop blaming others for your own lack of willpower. It fairly easy to
skip posts that aren't relevant.

I've been reading this
group for about 7 years and this is the worse case of off-topic article
posting I've ever seen. I've been participating on usenet for 20 years and
the number of off-topic article to on topic articles is just about the
highest ratio I've seen as well.

Get used to it because it's not going to go away. Society changes,
even use net society.

Those that continue to post the off topic
articles are just flat out rude.

Off topic is now the norm. You may consider it rude, but it is now
the norm.

bb

--
Dave Manby
Details of the Coruh river and my book "Many Rivers To Run" at
http://www.dmanby.demon.co.uk

KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/6/05 3:50 AM:




Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA

Illiterate? Write for FREE help

Well if it has just gotten too rowdy, we'll be more than willing
to
tone it down, If you ask us real nice!

Good grief, now I've actually contributed to giving Tinkerntom
even
more of
a god complex!

Tinkerntom, ferchrissakes, get over yourself. A nut preaching
about
god is
one thing, a nut who thinks he IS god is much worse!

Well now see guys, you have him yellin around your campfire! TnT

Does anyone else picture Tinkerntom smoking a spliff the size of a
baeball
bat 24/7?

If it helps you relax, there are a few here that could use one! TnT

Keith wrote:
Bob P wrote:

Gentlemen,

If you wish to debate endlessly, could you find a more appropriate
newsgroup? If your conversation consisted of 20 posts, it would be

within reason for an OT series, but these have gone on for more
than
1000. Find yourselves a better home. Please.

I've started using the 'Auto-Kill Thread' option on my news reader a
lot
recently. All this does is stop the particular (off-topic) thread
ever
appearing again in my news reader window, works a treat! Stops people
having to post complaints about long threads as well - hopefully...
;-)

...and less draconian than setting up an intricate Kill File - though
I
do use one of those as well.

It's a simple key-combination on my particular reader / computer.

That is another reason why it is good for the OT stuff to stay on a
couple threads, and not matastisize to all! IMO TnT

bb wrote in
:

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 23:09:08 GMT, John Fereira
wrote:

Sure, it's simple to delete posts that you're not going to read buy why
should we?

You don't need to bother deleting them, just have the willpower not
to read them.

When did I claim that I've been reading them? For about a week on a typical
day I would open up my newsreader, select r.b.p. (one of about a dozen
groups that I subscribe to) and will see that 50-100 new messages have been
posted. From the subject lines I can see a handful of what appear to be
paddling related articles so I pick them out and read them. I also see a
bunch of threads that are clearly off topic, some with subject lines that
are essentially calling one of the participants names. As is the case with
most newsreaders, if I don't want to see the same articles the next time I
read the group I have to mark the articles as read (even if I don't read
them). So even though I'm not actually reading every article posted to the
group I have to take action to indicate that I don't want to see them.
Furthermore, when 80-90% of the articles posted are off topic, it become
more difficult to find articles that *are* paddling related.

This is a newsgroup about paddling. There are many other
newsgroups in which political discussion, and even flaming is on topic.
Those that want to read that kind of article can go to those groups.

That all sounds just dandy, but it doesn't work in reality. I tried
going from the boating news group to the political group to talk
politics, and a boating topic broke out. I left my football group and
went the flame group to do some flaming and a football discussion
broke out. Even the dang political and flaming groups stray off
topic. Personally, I think it's all Bush's fault.

I don't expect that every newsgroup is going to remain 100% on topic, but
when 80-90% of the group consist of off topic posts, to the point where some
of the participants in those threads are essentially just calling each other
names and creating new thread solely for that purpose it's getting a bit out
of hand.


That's
the whole point of creating topically based groups.

Stop blaming others for your own lack of willpower. It fairly easy to
skip posts that aren't relevant.

Again, I'm not reading the off topic posts. I still have to read the
subject line for the thread to know if they're off topic and then mark them
as read. It's much easier to skip posts that are not relevant if they're
posted in a group that I haven't subscribed to.

I've been reading this
group for about 7 years and this is the worse case of off-topic article
posting I've ever seen. I've been participating on usenet for 20 years
and the number of off-topic article to on topic articles is just about
the highest ratio I've seen as well.

Get used to it because it's not going to go away. Society changes,
even use net society.

Those that continue to post the off topic articles are just flat out
rude.

Off topic is now the norm. You may consider it rude, but it is now
the norm.

At least in this newsgroup, off topic is not the norm, which is one of the
reasons that I have continued to read it for 7 years.

"Tinkerntom" wrote in news:1110068988.426962.125150
@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:


John Fereira wrote:
"Grip" wrote in
:

It's the same in all news groups I've visited. I read what I wish to
read and ignore the rest. Very simple

Sure, it's simple to delete posts that you're not going to read buy
why should we? This is a newsgroup about paddling. There are many
other

newsgroups in which political discussion, and even flaming is on
topic. Those that want to read that kind of article can go to those
groups. That's the whole point of creating topically based groups.
I've been reading this group for about 7 years and this is the worse
case of off-topic article posting I've ever seen. I've been
participating on usenet for 20 years and the number of off-topic
article to on topic articles is just about the highest ratio I've seen
as well. Those that continue to post the off topic articles are just
flat out rude.

"Bob P" wrote in message
...
Gentlemen,

If you wish to debate endlessly, could you find a more appropriate
newsgroup? If your conversation consisted of 20 posts, it would be
within reason for an OT series, but these have gone on for more
than 1000. Find yourselves a better home. Please.




I have been camping for 40 years, and sat around many campfires, where
many strange topics have been discussed. Sometimes they even talked
about the days fishing or hiking, biking or skiing. If the topic was
not of my interest, I could always grab another adult beverage, set
back, and contemplate the sparks rising over the campfire. Usually the
chatter would lull me into a luxurious state of semi-subconsciousness,
which convinced me that a hard day of exercise followed by the
campfire, is better than any day at WORK!

If the above did not occur, I could always retire to my tent and let
the darkness embrace me in slumber. I usually did not last long
listening from my tent.

If the OT chatter, disturbs your sleep, I apologize! I find this is
some of the best part of the day, and talking to fellow paddlers, even
OT, is very stimulating. So maybe, next time you should pitch your
tent a little further from the campfire IMHO! TnT

If that's the analogy you want to use I'll play along. Your analogy doesn't
exactly represent what's going on. In this case a group of camper have
pitched their tents around a campfire and have settled into a choice spot
they like. Then several others decide to pitch their tents in the same spot
and proceed to cause a ruckus. When the original campers complain about the
ruckus the new campers have the gall to tell the original campers if they
don't want to listen that they should move their tents elsewhere.

"Tinkerntom" wrote in message
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KMAN wrote:
in article ,
Tinkerntom
at wrote on 3/6/05 3:50 AM:




Galen Hekhuis NpD, JFR, GWA

Illiterate? Write for FREE help

Well if it has just gotten too rowdy, we'll be more than willing
to
tone it down, If you ask us real nice!

Good grief, now I've actually contributed to giving Tinkerntom
even
more of
a god complex!

Tinkerntom, ferchrissakes, get over yourself. A nut preaching
about
god is
one thing, a nut who thinks he IS god is much worse!

Well now see guys, you have him yellin around your campfire! TnT

Does anyone else picture Tinkerntom smoking a spliff the size of a
baeball
bat 24/7?

If it helps you relax, there are a few here that could use one! TnT


KMAN, I think you missed the part where TnT was assuring rbp that 'he was
talking to us and calming us down'. He's quite good at redefining the
reality around himself so that he is God.

Tom, your analogy about the campfire is nice as far as it goes. But imagine
that same campfire with this one irritating someone who insists on
controlling the conversations, talking the most loudly and making rules for
how others can talk, then smarmingly saying 'gee, I love campfire talking'.

--riverman

Tinkerntom wrote:

KMAN wrote:

Does anyone else picture Tinkerntom smoking a spliff the size of a
baseball bat 24/7?

If it helps you relax, there are a few here that could use one!


Let us offer each other some smoke of peace...
http://www.user.shentel.net/riburr/p...ing070401.html





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the relationship with the rest of the world.
He's a monster in the White House. He should resign."

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