On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:50:44 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:28:41 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Whatever President Bill's shortcomings, he is damned smart,
well-informed, and articulate. On the other hand, Dubya keeps his pants
zipped. So far as we know.

Neither makes for a great President.

I thought "Slick Willie" was a rather apt name for Clinton, but during his
Presidency, I developed a grudging respect for his competence. What
surprises me, is that some hold such a deep hatred for the man. After
all, his time was relatively uneventful and prosperous. Now, I will admit
to an anti-Bush bias, predominately because of Iraq, but what astounds me,
is that some are calling Bush one of our greatest Presidents. I just
don't understand it.

Personally, I don't think there is all that hatred of Clinton. He wasn't bad. I
think what you see a lot are comparisons to Clinton when someone starts putting
the knife in Bush's back. Very often a comparison to Clinton is appropriate
simply because he did the same thing or something close to it.

As to Bush being one of our greatest Presidents, and your inability to
understand it, accept it on faith.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:28:41 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:



Whatever President Bill's shortcomings, he is damned smart,
well-informed, and articulate. On the other hand, Dubya keeps his pants
zipped. So far as we know.

Neither makes for a great President.

I thought "Slick Willie" was a rather apt name for Clinton, but during
his
Presidency, I developed a grudging respect for his competence. What
surprises me, is that some hold such a deep hatred for the man. After
all, his time was relatively uneventful and prosperous. Now, I will
admit
to an anti-Bush bias, predominately because of Iraq, but what astounds
me,
is that some are calling Bush one of our greatest Presidents. I just
don't understand it.


Bush keeps things simple. That's all of it. End of story. Clinton was
more like Mario Cuomo: He dared to use big words and details.

I'd call Bush a binary thinker -- "you are either with us or against us"



So he stands by his core beliefs....I agree.

Now go back to our discussion on flip flops.

Get the point? LOL!

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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:28:41 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Whatever President Bill's shortcomings, he is damned smart,
well-informed, and articulate. On the other hand, Dubya keeps his
pants
zipped. So far as we know.

Neither makes for a great President.

I thought "Slick Willie" was a rather apt name for Clinton, but during
his
Presidency, I developed a grudging respect for his competence. What
surprises me, is that some hold such a deep hatred for the man. After
all, his time was relatively uneventful and prosperous. Now, I will
admit
to an anti-Bush bias, predominately because of Iraq, but what astounds
me,
is that some are calling Bush one of our greatest Presidents. I just
don't understand it.

Bush keeps things simple. That's all of it. End of story. Clinton was more
like Mario Cuomo: He dared to use big words and details.



Clinton used big words, and popularity polls to see which way the wind was
blowing. He lucked out, actually he has to be one of the luckiest pols
alive. Just lucky that his Arkansas time did not put him in jail, or stop
him from the presidency is lucky. But he inherited a growing economy and a
congress that for a time stopped overspending. He did nothing to inhibit
the speculation on an ever growing dot.com boom, and did nothing with the
fantastic excess in Federal income in those years to pay down debt. He
allowed the budget to grow to suck in all the extra money. Where was his
veto pen? And then at the end of boom times, we have an even more bloated
Fed budget, and no money to pay for it. Therefore even greater deficits.
Same thing happened here in California. 39% increase in the budget in 4
years, where as inflation and population growth justified 9%. As to Iraq,
we are / were going to be at war in the middle east in the next few years
anyway. Too many Muslim extremists wanting to take over the west. You
forget that there were also a bunch of attacks in the previous 8 years.

"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:50:44 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:28:41 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Whatever President Bill's shortcomings, he is damned smart,
well-informed, and articulate. On the other hand, Dubya keeps his
pants
zipped. So far as we know.

Neither makes for a great President.

I thought "Slick Willie" was a rather apt name for Clinton, but during
his
Presidency, I developed a grudging respect for his competence. What
surprises me, is that some hold such a deep hatred for the man. After
all, his time was relatively uneventful and prosperous. Now, I will
admit
to an anti-Bush bias, predominately because of Iraq, but what astounds
me,
is that some are calling Bush one of our greatest Presidents. I just
don't understand it.

Personally, I don't think there is all that hatred of Clinton. He wasn't
bad. I
think what you see a lot are comparisons to Clinton when someone starts
putting
the knife in Bush's back. Very often a comparison to Clinton is
appropriate
simply because he did the same thing or something close to it.

As to Bush being one of our greatest Presidents, and your inability to
understand it, accept it on faith.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I will not go along with one of the greatest. He may go down as a good one.
Great would be cutting back on a lot of the Pork, getting Feds out of most
of the Dept. of Education crap and letting the states have their one money
to educate the children. Give guidelines or certain milestones on
requirements, but not controlling the complete curriculum via the purse
strings. Spend the money on the interstate highway system as needed, and
cut the funds to the arts and entertainment. Is not the Federal
Governments job to support the A&E! Add what you think should be cut. As
to the Defense budget, I think it is still only about 20% of the total
budget.

The only thing clinto has going for him is that he proved
that carter was not our worst pres.
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:50:44 -0500, thunder

wrote:

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:28:41 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:


Whatever President Bill's shortcomings, he is damned
smart,
well-informed, and articulate. On the other hand,
Dubya keeps his
pants
zipped. So far as we know.

Neither makes for a great President.

I thought "Slick Willie" was a rather apt name for
Clinton, but during
his
Presidency, I developed a grudging respect for his
competence. What
surprises me, is that some hold such a deep hatred for
the man. After
all, his time was relatively uneventful and prosperous.
Now, I will
admit
to an anti-Bush bias, predominately because of Iraq, but
what astounds
me,
is that some are calling Bush one of our greatest
Presidents. I just
don't understand it.

Personally, I don't think there is all that hatred of
Clinton. He wasn't
bad. I
think what you see a lot are comparisons to Clinton when
someone starts
putting
the knife in Bush's back. Very often a comparison to
Clinton is
appropriate
simply because he did the same thing or something close to
it.

As to Bush being one of our greatest Presidents, and your
inability to
understand it, accept it on faith.
--
John H

"All decisions are the result of binary thinking."

I will not go along with one of the greatest. He may go
down as a good one.
Great would be cutting back on a lot of the Pork, getting
Feds out of most
of the Dept. of Education crap and letting the states have
their one money
to educate the children. Give guidelines or certain
milestones on
requirements, but not controlling the complete curriculum
via the purse
strings. Spend the money on the interstate highway system
as needed, and
cut the funds to the arts and entertainment. Is not the
Federal
Governments job to support the A&E! Add what you think
should be cut. As
to the Defense budget, I think it is still only about 20% of
the total
budget.