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![]() "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Suzuki has been dumping its outboards in this country for years, yet it still has negligible market share. It doesn't seem to be able to sign up very many top-drawer outboard dealers. Dunno why. -- From what I understand from the Bombardier folks, They sell more Suzuki's in the US under the Johnson banner than the US Suzuki Division. Suzuki does not make the Johnson 6 and 8hp 4-strokes. Those were originally designed and made by OMC and now by Bombardier. Bill Grannis service manager |
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"NOYB" wrote in message nk.net...
"basskisser" wrote in message om... But, I don't understand why you are asking ME for data. Did I make any allegations? Sure you did. You claimed Yamaha outboards are made in the US with union labor. Guess what? They're not. The manufacturing of the item is only one part of the process. I guess you don't have a clue about that huh? There are other processes, such as concept, feasibility studies, design, engineering, production, distribution, sales, and on and on. Yamaha has SEVERAL distribution points IN THE U.S. for their wares, and they use organized labor. Do you dispute this? |
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Charles wrote in message ...
Harry Krause wrote: NOYB wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message om... But, I don't understand why you are asking ME for data. Did I make any allegations? Sure you did. You claimed Yamaha outboards are made in the US with union labor. Guess what? They're not. No, he didn't. You've demonstrated you are a careless reader, prone to jump to erroneous conclusions. This claim of yours is another example of your inability to internalize what you read. b'asskisser may not have directly said yamaha outboards are made in the USA, but that certainly was the conclusion which he wanted the reader to infer. His inference was completely wrong (no suprise there). How do YOU know what I "wanted the reader to infer"? How do you suppose Yamaha outboards are distributed in the U.S.? I'll tell you...there are SEVERAL distribution centers in the U.S. for Yamaha outboards, and the ensuing parts and peripherals. There are also transportation facilities, etc. They use organized labor. |
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![]() "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Yamaha has some plants in the United States, and most of these are unionized. The company makes a variety of products here, notably some of its musical instruments. Great. Musical instruments. I see how that's relevent to a post in which Christopher asked you about your outboard motor. |
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![]() "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:50:49 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Sure they are. So to get the most bang for your buck, you sometimes have to take advantage of a company's "dumping" practices and buy their undervalued outboard...like you did with the Suzuki's. They're terrific engines and would be priced closer to Merc and Yamaha if Suzuki wasn't trying to gain market share via dumping. Explain to me again how (1) outboards are overpriced and (2) Suzuki is "dumping" them for what they ought to sell for anyway..... My brother bought a Suzuki 140 for 3 grand less than a comparable Yamaha. Is it possible that the Suzuki was $1500 below reasonable market value...and the Yamaha was $1500 too expensive? And *I'm* the "binary thinker"? |
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![]() basskisser wrote: How do YOU know what I "wanted the reader to infer"? Because you wrote what you did in answer to several postings which pointed out that krause had bought a outboard which was not made with union labor. Yours was a flawed attempt to defend the rush limbaugh wannabe of the left. I'll tell you...there are SEVERAL distribution centers in the U.S. for Yamaha outboards, and the ensuing parts and peripherals. There are also transportation facilities, etc. They use organized labor. Nice try lamer. That's not the subject. The subject was that krause in his typical hypocrisy (supposedly) bought an outboard engine which was not made with union labor. Take the damn tin can off your head. http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame63.html -- Charlie ----== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= 19 East/West-Coast Specialized Servers - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
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![]() "basskisser" wrote in message om... "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... "basskisser" wrote in message om... K Smith wrote in message ... Bob Marx wrote: Why? 50% on the 225 I was going to buy At only 3 yrs old? If you think Honda & Yamaha are bad for depreciation you should see what a used Ficht or optimax is worth, assuming anyone will buy them at all:-) K Have any real data to back your wild allegations up, or just spewing crap out of your blow hole, as usual? You got any data? There's tons of data out there. Can I suggest JD Powers owner satisfaction surveys? But, I don't understand why you are asking ME for data. Did I make any allegations? I realize your comprehension abilities lack. If you demand data to support their hypothesis, then you can be held to the same standard. J.D. Powers owner satisfaction survey is loads different than the selling price of a unit that is perceived to be unreliable and from a company that is out of business. |
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![]() "NOYB" wrote in message nk.net... "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:50:49 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Sure they are. So to get the most bang for your buck, you sometimes have to take advantage of a company's "dumping" practices and buy their undervalued outboard...like you did with the Suzuki's. They're terrific engines and would be priced closer to Merc and Yamaha if Suzuki wasn't trying to gain market share via dumping. Explain to me again how (1) outboards are overpriced and (2) Suzuki is "dumping" them for what they ought to sell for anyway..... My brother bought a Suzuki 140 for 3 grand less than a comparable Yamaha. Is it possible that the Suzuki was $1500 below reasonable market value...and the Yamaha was $1500 too expensive? And *I'm* the "binary thinker"? What does a Suzuki sell for in Japan? If it sells for about the same price there as here, is not dumping. Dumping is selling in the US for less than your local foreign price to gain market share. |
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![]() "Gene Kearns" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:49:11 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: "Gene Kearns" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:50:49 GMT, "NOYB" wrote: Sure they are. So to get the most bang for your buck, you sometimes have to take advantage of a company's "dumping" practices and buy their undervalued outboard...like you did with the Suzuki's. They're terrific engines and would be priced closer to Merc and Yamaha if Suzuki wasn't trying to gain market share via dumping. Explain to me again how (1) outboards are overpriced and (2) Suzuki is "dumping" them for what they ought to sell for anyway..... My brother bought a Suzuki 140 for 3 grand less than a comparable Yamaha. Is it possible that the Suzuki was $1500 below reasonable market value...and the Yamaha was $1500 too expensive? And *I'm* the "binary thinker"? No, you just aren't thinking. Anybody that thinks $21,000 for a gear case and a six cylinder engine makes sense needs help. Anybody that doesn't understand the principal of economies of scale needs help. You can buy a whole car for what they want for just an engine. That is overpriced. Are you familiar with Economies of Scale? If you add together the total number of outboard motors sold *WORLDWIDE* each year by all of the manufacturers, you end up with a number near 800,000. Compare that to the number of automobiles sold worldwide in any given year. Hell, BMW sells more than 800,000 cars all by themselves. My dental software costs almost $20,000. Windows XP costs one-hundredth of that. Why? Because Microsoft sells tens of millions of copies of their software...and Eaglesoft (dental) sells only about 20,000 copies. However, the manpower (ie--cost of development) that went into Windows is probably 1000 times (or 10,000 times) greater than the manpower that went into Eaglesoft. By your logic, Eaglesoft should cost one-thousandth what Windows XP costs. |
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