NOBBY wrote:


Correct. I don't own a gun. I was speaking rhetorically.

You don't have a gun, as in "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this
one's for fighting, and this one's for fun?" Wow. That explains a lot.

Oh wait, you mean that you are opposed to "gun control laws" in the
abstract, even though it doesn't apply to you; the same way you're
against legal abortion, even though you will neither adopt an unwanted
child nor ever be faced with pregnancy issues yourself...

You *must* be a left wing whacko trying to discredit the right, Nobby.
Nobody is that devoted to hypocrisy as a principle...

DSK

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NOBBY wrote:


Correct. I don't own a gun. I was speaking rhetorically.

You don't have a gun, as in "This is my rifle, this is my gun, this
one's for fighting, and this one's for fun?" Wow. That explains a lot.

Oh wait, you mean that you are opposed to "gun control laws" in the
abstract, even though it doesn't apply to you;

If I wanted to buy a gun, the Constitution affords me that right.

the same way you're
against legal abortion,

The Constitution doesn't grant the right to take another life. I happen to
oppose the death penalty, too. Killing is only acceptable in self-defense.
Of course, you and I will disagree on what's considered self-defense.

even though you will neither adopt an unwanted
child nor ever be faced with pregnancy issues yourself...

You speak so matter-of-factly about issues you know nothing about...


You *must* be a left wing whacko trying to discredit the right, Nobby.
Nobody is that devoted to hypocrisy as a principle...

You keep calling yourself "conservative", but have yet to mention one single
"conservative" issue that you believe in.

NOBBY wrote:

The Constitution doesn't grant the right to take another life.

Actually, the Constitution doesn't address that issue drectly. But it certainly
does not grant the right of one group to impose it's religious beliefs, in the
form of law, on the entire country.




You keep calling yourself "conservative", but have yet to mention one single
"conservative" issue that you believe in.

Actually, I posted a list of conservative principles some time ago. Oddly
enough, all the Bush cheerleaders were silent. Shall I post it again?

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOBBY wrote:

The Constitution doesn't grant the right to take another life.

Actually, the Constitution doesn't address that issue drectly. But it
certainly
does not grant the right of one group to impose it's religious beliefs, in
the
form of law, on the entire country.

Abortion has nothing to do with one's religious belief. Abortion and
religion shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, IMO. It's a
scientific and legal issue. Science and the law get their basis in
"objectivity". Religion gets its basis in "subjectivity". The debate has
now progressed to exactly the point where it should be: at what point is the
fetus considered "alive"? I say it's when the heart starts beating.






You keep calling yourself "conservative", but have yet to mention one
single
"conservative" issue that you believe in.

Actually, I posted a list of conservative principles some time ago. Oddly
enough, all the Bush cheerleaders were silent. Shall I post it again?

Sure. It'll be worth a chuckle.

NOYB wrote:


Abortion has nothing to do with one's religious belief. Abortion and
religion shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, IMO.

Well, there you have it. Your opinion does not have the weight of law,
fortunately.

DSK

I'm still waiting for a list of your conservative beliefs. Or did you post
it already...and the list was entirely blank?


"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:


Abortion has nothing to do with one's religious belief. Abortion and
religion shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence, IMO.

Well, there you have it. Your opinion does not have the weight of law,
fortunately.

DSK

Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:

Democratic Party principles consist mainly of promoting same-sex marriage,
labor strikes, and the release of convicted child molestors...while they're
trying to take away our guns, and turn us into another socialistic country
in the model of France. The party has principles...but they're some pretty
damn scary ones.



Nope. The GOP's principals have no principles. The GOP's principals are
out supporting right-wing Christian religious extremism.


Christianity has morals (when viewed objectively) -- something you
completely lack -- and therefore you view them as extreme. If you had
*any* shred of morality, you'd not see it as extreme.

Republicans (GOP) are very bad examples of morality, perhaps worse than
democrats, for republicans say they have "christian" morality but are
very often hypocrites, one need look no further than the self-appointed
blowhard spokesman Limbaugh.

Democrats make little or no pretension to morality, theirs is a
constantly changing relative morality, suited to the occasion of their
own ever-changing idea of immorality. Yet you, krause, are even "left"
of them morally.

None have the moral "high" road, and especially not you. Stop pretending.

-- Charlie


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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Don't they have any other issues to run on? I mean, seriously, think
about
the issues they run on:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade


Anything I left out? If so, I bet you there's a race/sex/class warfare
card
played on it.

Some of us also focus on a subject that's alien to you: The environment.
Your president is receiving failing grades in that area, except from a few
industries who've received blowjobs from curious George.

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:

Whoa. Hold on a minute. I thought you claimed to be a lifelong
Republican
who just changed his stripes because you didn't like Bush? Your
true
colors
are showing here.

Your bad memory (or your penchant for telling outright lies) is
showing
here.

When did I ever claim to be a Republican at all, much less "lifelong?"
I
am a
conservative... an old fashioned ie *real* conservative. I have
occasionally
voted Republican though.

Oh no. Now you've gone and done it. You've pointed out that there are
conservatives who are not necessarily Republicans.

Only the uniformed ones. How else can you be conservative on the issues,
but support the party that promotes the exact opposite principles?

First of all, DSK was describing a political environment which many people
outside of the South don't understand: The South. That doesn't include most
of Florida. I don't fully understand it, but DSK's brief description sounds
accurate.

Second - Alien concept: Sometimes when choosing who to vote for, you may
have to choose the lesser of two evils. To many conservatives, Bush may have
seemed like the right choice during the last election. That's turning out to
be a problem for them now.

Maybe this will help:
Political party: A club with a mailing list for fund raising.
Conservatism: A way of thinking about certain things.

The key word is "thinking". Notice that the word "reacting" does not appear
here. Real people think. Others become trained over the years to react, like
laboratory rats.

There is a huge movement of conservatives who feel your leader is a dismal
failure, primarily in the areas of fiscal responsibility and the environment
(believe it or not). There are also quite a few who disagree with
imperialism.

You have no idea what a conservative is. It has little to do with abortion,
race issues (at this point in history), or any of the other issues which
candidates normally use to appeal to your baser instincts.

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Democratic Party principles consist mainly of promoting same-sex marriage,
labor strikes, and the release of convicted child molestors...while
they're
trying to take away our guns, and turn us into another socialistic country
in the model of France. The party has principles...but they're some
pretty
damn scary ones.

Here we go again! Please define socialism, and provide 5 separate examples
of how the Democratic party is trying to do what you claim. This assignment
is due by Friday.