"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:1z8Wb.20660

I'm ok with that as long as it's equitable and across the board. That's
why
we should have a flat tax.

I disagree here, Doc. I prefer to see a national consumption tax of about
10%, coupled with total repeal of any income tax. The national
consumption
tax would be implemented with similar exemptions and exclusions as are
found
in most sales tax structures today.

Just one problem: Cash sales. I'm talking about under-the-table sales done
by legitimate businesses, as well as transfers of goods outside of that
venue, as between criminal elements. Truckload of DVD players....that sort
of thing.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
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Democratic Party principles consist mainly of promoting same-sex
marriage,
labor strikes, and the release of convicted child molestors...while
they're
trying to take away our guns, and turn us into another socialistic
country
in the model of France. The party has principles...but they're some
pretty
damn scary ones.

Here we go again! Please define socialism, and provide 5 separate examples
of how the Democratic party is trying to do what you claim. This
assignment
is due by Friday.

From websters.com:

"Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the
means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a
centralized government that often plans and controls the economy."

First of all, a progressive tax system is a mild form of socialism.
Anything that is government-funded fits under the aforementioned definition.
Here are some "specific" examples:


1) Government-controlled Universal Health Care
2) Expand Medicare
3) Lower the threshold for Welfare
4) Keep Social Security non-privatized
5) Disallow tax breaks for those attending private school

"NOYB" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

As far as gay marriage, that has absolutely no effect on you, and the fact
of the matter is that you really don't care about it. Leave it out of future
messages. It's just clutter.

Judges: It's important to have people on the bench who are not only aware of
the separation of church & state, but HONOR the principal.

Abortion on demand: It's nowhere near as big a problem as you imagine it to
be.

"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to break.
You also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

As far as gay marriage, that has absolutely no effect on you, and the fact
of the matter is that you really don't care about it. Leave it out of future
messages. It's just clutter.

Judges: It's important to have people on the bench who are not only aware of
the separation of church & state, but HONOR the principal.

Abortion on demand: It's nowhere near as big a problem as you imagine it to
be.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...
Doug Kanter's "improved" list:

increased taxes for the rich
affirmative action for minorities
full marriage rights for gays
abortion on demand
filibuster judges who might overrule Roe v. Wade
*the environment*

That's a helluva platform to run on!



Gay people have absolutely no effect on you, no matter who they marry.

Frankly, I'm not sure about affirmative action. But, people who know
these
things point out that there's a cycle for poor people that's hard to
break.
Go also seem to be an expert, however, so I'm interested in your thoughts
on
this subject that nobody else can seem to figure out.

It's not about "being an expert". It's about applying commonsense. The
color of your skin shouldn't give you extra points in the admission process
when you're applying to a College...especially if that college is
taxpayer-funded.

"DSK" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
It's funny that you specify morals, ethics, and principle as
conservative
traits. I agree...and it's the opposite of liberal traits.

That you say this only shows that you don't really know what morals &
ethics are. Perhaps you should look up the definition of 'ethos' to get
started.

Anyway, some liberals have principles too. And some people, such as
yourself and our current President & Vice President, give lip service to
the idea of principles but really act out whatever is most expedient &
profitable.

Principles that are abandoned at the first (or even the second) hint of
trouble aren't really principles, are they?

As for adopting an unwanted child, I only know what you yourself have
told me (and the rest of the group)... that you might have considered it
but did not actually do it.

I have three sons under the age of 5. Why would I adopt at this point in my
life? Perhaps we *will* adopt a girl once the boys have grown a little bit
older, however.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

.....I'm talking about under-the-table sales done
by legitimate businesses,

oxymoronic

as well as transfers of goods outside of that
venue, as between criminal elements.

Criminals will always try to find ways around any legitimate system. But
under a consumption tax structure criminal proceeds would be much harder to
conceal. Even goodfellas buy clothes, toys, furnishings, etc.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:1z8Wb.20660

I'm ok with that as long as it's equitable and across the board. That's
why
we should have a flat tax.

I disagree here, Doc. I prefer to see a national consumption tax of about
10%, coupled with total repeal of any income tax.

Fine. I can go along with that. However, I was promoting a flat tax that
phases out at a certain income level...just to be "fair" to our Democratic
colleages. A consumption tax is even better.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"NOYB" wrote in message news:1z8Wb.20660

I'm ok with that as long as it's equitable and across the board.
That's
why
we should have a flat tax.

I disagree here, Doc. I prefer to see a national consumption tax of
about
10%, coupled with total repeal of any income tax. The national
consumption
tax would be implemented with similar exemptions and exclusions as are
found
in most sales tax structures today.

Just one problem: Cash sales. I'm talking about under-the-table sales done
by legitimate businesses,

I agree...that's a problem.


as well as transfers of goods outside of that
venue, as between criminal elements.

Those aren't taxed under today's system, either.

"John Gaquin" wrote...
I disagree here, Doc. I prefer to see a national consumption tax of about
10%, coupled with total repeal of any income tax.


That doesn't seem like it's going to bring in anywhere near the same
revenue. Unless you are also going to chop off at least half of the
current gov't expenditures, this is just a pie-in-the-sky dream.

One problem I have with having the Feds put on a consumption tax or an
ad-valorum tax or whatever is that it is a serious brake on the economy.
The web of VAT is choking the European economies, we should observe and
learn and do better.



NOYB wrote:
.... I was promoting a flat tax that
phases out at a certain income level.

Ahem... that is a progressive tax, you darn socialist.

Nobby, can you post *anything* you believe in that doesn't reek of
hypocrisy?

DSK