The following was sent to me by email. I don't recall seeing any of this in the
media. Wonder why. I suppose freedom isn't really a liberal buzzword.
__________________________________________________ ________
JUDGE WILLIAM YOUNG, SENTENCES THE SHOE BOMBER


US District Court Judge William Young made the following statement in
sentencing "shoe bomber" Richard Reid to prison. It is noteworthy, and
deserves to be remembered far longer than he predicts. I commend it to
you and to anyone you might wish to forward it to.

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: Mr. Richard C.
Reid, harken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General.

On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison
on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the
other. That's 80 years.

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive
to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the
eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.

The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to
restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre
Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because
the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I
need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair
and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to
you.

We are not afraid of any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We
are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too
much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals, and
care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for
justice, you are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are
not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that
reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether
it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it,
or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not
negotiate with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We
hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But
you are not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a
terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.

In a very real sense Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were
taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press
and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal. You're no
big deal.

What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able
United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly
as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so
horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have
listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search
your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do
what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an
answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire
record it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you
hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our
individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come
and go as we choose, and to believe or not believe as we individually
choose.

Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it
everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual
freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that
everyone can see, truly see that justice is administered fairly,
individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers
are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will
go on in their, their representation of you before other judges. We are
about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is
the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true
that we will bear any burden, pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.

Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long
remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be
forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom
and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to
see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual
justice is in fact being done.

The very President of the United States through his officers will have
to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters
can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that
evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of
justice.

See that flag Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of
America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That
flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer, Stand him down.
John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Excellent read! Thanks John.

Garry

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
The following was sent to me by email. I don't recall seeing any of
this in the
media. Wonder why. I suppose freedom isn't really a liberal buzzword.
__________________________________________________ ________
JUDGE WILLIAM YOUNG, SENTENCES THE SHOE BOMBER


US District Court Judge William Young made the following statement in
sentencing "shoe bomber" Richard Reid to prison. It is noteworthy,
and
deserves to be remembered far longer than he predicts. I commend it
to
you and to anyone you might wish to forward it to.

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: Mr. Richard C.
Reid, harken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General.

On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in
prison
on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the
other. That's 80 years.

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years
consecutive
to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the
eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.

The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to
restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre
Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply
because
the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences
so I
need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a
fair
and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to
you.

We are not afraid of any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid.
We
are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too
much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost
respect.
Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals,
and
care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for
justice, you are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are
not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that
reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature.
Whether
it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does
it,
or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not
negotiate with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists.
We
hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow.
But
you are not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a
terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted
murders.

In a very real sense Trooper Santiago had it right when you first
were
taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the
press
and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal. You're no
big deal.

What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able
United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as
honestly
as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so
horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I
have
listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to
search
your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to
do
what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an
answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire
record it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me
you
hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our
individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to
come
and go as we choose, and to believe or not believe as we individually
choose.

Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it
everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual
freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So
that
everyone can see, truly see that justice is administered fairly,
individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your
lawyers
are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals,
will
go on in their, their representation of you before other judges. We
are
about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is
the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet
true
that we will bear any burden, pay any price, to preserve our
freedoms.

Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to
long
remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be
forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here in this
courtroom
and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to
see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual
justice is in fact being done.

The very President of the United States through his officers will
have
to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific
matters
can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge
that
evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of
justice.

See that flag Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of
America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten.
That
flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer, Stand him down.
John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

The following was sent to me by email. I don't recall seeing any of this in
the
media. Wonder why. I suppose freedom isn't really a liberal buzzword.

Although the shoe bomber isn't a funny subject, I always laugh my butt off when
the right wing starts yelling "The media aren't covering this!"

John, if the media didn't report the story,
where the sam h do you suppose the guy who sent you the e-mail got it?

And, do you suppose that perhaps one of the reasons you aren't seeing this in
the news at this time is because the shoe bomber was sentenced LAST JANUARY
30TH? ('course that does sort of take the wind out of the "liberal media"
complaint, so its probably better to pretend like its a current event, right?)

I plugged "shoe bomber sentencing" into the search engine and got 71 hits,
mostly from last Jan and Feb, and they included the so-called "liberal" media.

I h aven't read much about Ollie North or Spiro Agnew this week. Suppose it's a
conservative conspiracy to hush the truth? :-)

I saw the media paraphrase the sentencing. As they "nuggetize" most things.

Want liberal media? It's out there. Want conservative media - it's out
there too. Watch them all and decide where you fit in.

The system is real simple.

-W


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PLEASE NOTE: Email address change from to

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
The following was sent to me by email. I don't recall seeing any of this
in the
media. Wonder why. I suppose freedom isn't really a liberal buzzword.
__________________________________________________ ________
JUDGE WILLIAM YOUNG, SENTENCES THE SHOE BOMBER


US District Court Judge William Young made the following statement in
sentencing "shoe bomber" Richard Reid to prison. It is noteworthy, and
deserves to be remembered far longer than he predicts. I commend it to
you and to anyone you might wish to forward it to.

January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: Mr. Richard C.
Reid, harken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you.

On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the
custody of the United States Attorney General.

On counts 2, 3, 4 and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison
on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutive with the
other. That's 80 years.

On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years consecutive
to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you each of the
eight counts a fine of $250,000 for the aggregate fine of $2 million.

The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to
restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre
Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines.

The Court imposes upon you the $800 special assessment.

The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because
the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I
need go no further.

This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair
and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Let me explain this to
you.

We are not afraid of any of your terrorist coconspirators, Mr. Reid. We
are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is all too
much war talk here. And I say that to everyone with the utmost respect.
Here in this court, where we deal with individuals as individuals, and
care for individuals as individuals, as human beings we reach out for
justice, you are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are
not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that
reference, to call you a soldier gives you far too much stature. Whether
it is the officers of government who do it or your attorney who does it,
or that happens to be your view, you are a terrorist. And we do not
negotiate with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We
hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice.

So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But
you are not that big. You're no warrior. I know warriors. You are a
terrorist. A species of criminal guilty of multiple attempted murders.

In a very real sense Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were
taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press
and where the TV crews were and he said you're no big deal. You're no
big deal.

What your counsel, what your able counsel and what the equally able
United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly
as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so
horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have
listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search
your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do
what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing. And I have an
answer for you. It may not satisfy you. But as I search this entire
record it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you
hate the one thing that is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our
individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come
and go as we choose, and to believe or not believe as we individually
choose.

Here, in this society, the very winds carry freedom. They carry it
everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual
freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom. So that
everyone can see, truly see that justice is administered fairly,
individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers
are striving so vigorously on your behalf and have filed appeals, will
go on in their, their representation of you before other judges. We are
about it. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is
the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true
that we will bear any burden, pay any price, to preserve our freedoms.

Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long
remember what you or I say here. Day after tomorrow it will be
forgotten. But this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom
and courtrooms all across America, the American people will gather to
see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual
justice is in fact being done.

The very President of the United States through his officers will have
to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters
can be judged, and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that
evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of
justice.

See that flag Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of
America. That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That
flag stands for freedom. You know it always will.

Mr. Custody Officer, Stand him down.
John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

On 24 Jul 2003 01:38:26 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

The following was sent to me by email. I don't recall seeing any of this in
the
media. Wonder why. I suppose freedom isn't really a liberal buzzword.

Although the shoe bomber isn't a funny subject, I always laugh my butt off when
the right wing starts yelling "The media aren't covering this!"

John, if the media didn't report the story,
where the sam h do you suppose the guy who sent you the e-mail got it?

And, do you suppose that perhaps one of the reasons you aren't seeing this in
the news at this time is because the shoe bomber was sentenced LAST JANUARY
30TH? ('course that does sort of take the wind out of the "liberal media"
complaint, so its probably better to pretend like its a current event, right?)

I plugged "shoe bomber sentencing" into the search engine and got 71 hits,
mostly from last Jan and Feb, and they included the so-called "liberal" media.

I h aven't read much about Ollie North or Spiro Agnew this week. Suppose it's a
conservative conspiracy to hush the truth? :-)

Heh, heh. Gotta admit I was doing a little trolling with the media hit. However,
I had also googled the phrase, and got not one hit from a major media source.

The focus of the judge's statement was on 'freedom'. The more we are 'governed',
the less we are 'free'. I suppose that freedom is an idea which takes last place
in the eyes of most socialists (liberals), and therefore the mainstream press
did not devote much time or space to such a statement.
John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

On 24 Jul 2003 14:43:08 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Heh, heh. Gotta admit I was doing a little trolling with the media hit.
However,
I had also googled the phrase, and got not one hit from a major media source.


My fourth hit was ABC News. Any chance that might qualify as a "major" media
source? I didn't scroll through all 70-some hits to see who else was
represented- just far enough to see that the insinuation that this was a
current event being ignored by the liberal media was bogus....(as you have
essentially admitted).

Had you read the judge's statement before? Could you send the url for the ABC
article, please. I'd like to read what was said. I did imply that the statement
did not receive much press, but I don't think I implied it was current.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

"JohnH" wrote in message
...

The focus of the judge's statement was on 'freedom'. The more we are
'governed',
the less we are 'free'. I suppose that freedom is an idea which takes last
place
in the eyes of most socialists (liberals), and therefore the mainstream
press
did not devote much time or space to such a statement.
John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

With the exception of a handful of newspapers written for people who can
actually read, like the NY Times, very few newspapers devote much space to
ANYTHING except sports and advertising. A vast number of American cities are
dominated by the Gannett chain and USA Today, both written for simpletons.

JohnH wrote:

The focus of the judge's statement was on 'freedom'. The more we are 'governed',
the less we are 'free'.

If you believe that, you must really hate what the incompetent Bush
Mis-Administration is doing, since it is overlaying more and more
"government" and "control" on the individual. Conservatives aren't for
freedom; they are for control.




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email sent to will *never* get to me.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 08:32:00 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

The focus of the judge's statement was on 'freedom'. The more we are 'governed',
the less we are 'free'.

Bull****, pure and simple. As an example I submit the following:

"The liberty of the individual is no gift of civilization. It was
greater before there was any civilization."
Sigmund Freud

Nasty, short & brutish. Another bozo theory from Freud. Wherever did
you pick up your 'idea?'


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Q