From the day I was hoodwinked into buying this boat I've had some
problems. Never buy a boat from a good looking woman in a bikini.
Oh ya, it looked great.... The boat boys, Im talking about the boat
now. I even took it to the local dealer in town to check it out. I
got a clear green light from them. The first time out the engine
exploaded and sent smoke from every cavity in the boat. I had the
wife and kids onboard and sent them to the front of the boat while I
grabbed the fire extenguisher and pulled the enginre cover back. It
turned out to be a cracked block. Oil all over the manifolds. I
chaulked it up to buyer beware . Althought the local dealer no
longer gets ANY of my business. Im in Plano, TX. so let me know if
you want to know the name of the place.
So then, I get it all fixed up and then the little intermitant problem
happen. Batteries, Carburator, Starter... Now all that seems to be
working ok and then someone steps onto the boat hard and then...CRASH.
the floor has gotten weak around the ski hull. NOW, I have a project.

I am wanting to replace the 2" frame around the ski storage and place
braces down from the floor to the hull. I may not be able to store
skis there but I want a solid floor witout ripping it all up. Now Im
wondering what type of materials to use. Im thinking of ripping 2"
strips of pressure treated around the skiframe and using appoxy and
fiberslass so give it strength. Im not certain I can get all of the
rotten floor up without taking the entire floor up. It only looks
rotted for a about 2 inches around the ski hole. Is there any way to
seal rotten plywood? Im thinking if I can get to solid wood by using
a dremmel I can get a pretty good hold on it by filling in the bad
parts with appoxy. Im not concerned about the cosmetices because
the floor will be recovered with carpet and the frame will be under
the floor.

QUESTION TIME!!!!!

Does this plan sound feasable? Could someone advise me on the
materals to use? Ive read that appoxy and fiberglass doesn not adhere
well to pressure trated wood. Is this true? Should I use marine
plywood? Is it the same as pressure treated plywood? What kind or
resen should I use? Im a novice so ANY help would be appriciated.
Is this stuff REALLY hard to work with?

My plan would be to build the frame in 2 peices, glass or resen the 2"
frame before I put it in. then, screw the frame in place under the ski
hole and appoxy the crap out of it and putting glass around the edges
to seal it to the rest of the good floor.

I just need a good quick solution to the floor.
For the record, Its a Sea Ray Seville 1988.
Man they made alot of those boats. Ive had some great times on it
too but I see another boat in my future. Next time, Im looking a
little closer. AT THE BOAT!

Thanks in advance.
Ed

From the day I was hoodwinked into buying this boat I've had some
problems. Never buy a boat from a good looking woman in a bikini.

Or anything else.

(non-related story follows)..

About 25 years ago, we had a guy running a waterbed store around here. Most of
the customers were single guys. All of the salespeople were nicely stacked,
provocatively dressed young ladies. The atmosphere in the showroom was private
and seductive. The same waterbeds that were selling elsewhere for $149, were
flying out the door as fast as the guy could stock them at $500 a pop. (That
would be like, maybe, $1500 in 2003).

Turns out that the primary sales technique involved standing an inch or two
away from the prospect, and along with a strategic wink, wiggle, jiggle, and
brushback of the hair a promise to "personally deliver your new waterbed and
make sure you're completely satisfied."

Delivery day would come around, and the customers would leap to the sound of
the doorbell only to discover the saleslady, (dressed in overalls), and two
350-pound
grumpy male truckdrivers delivering his waterbed. They'd take an hour to set up
the frame and fill the mattress with water, and then the saleslady would get
the guy to sign a statement that he was completely satisfied with the delivery
and set up!

They finally shut the guy down under some kind of consumer protection law.
False advertising or something. Pretty funny, really.

As far as the floor rot:

Im thinking of ripping 2"
strips of pressure treated around the skiframe and using appoxy and
fiberslass so give it strength.

That's a technique called "sistering". Putting a good chunk of wood next to a
compromised member. Commonly done with frames on older wooden boats, but you
have to make sure you're killed all the rot spores in the bad wood or the
problem will spread like a determined cancer.

Im not certain I can get all of the
rotten floor up without taking the entire floor up.
..It only looks
rotted for a about 2 inches around the ski hole. Is there any way to
seal rotten plywood?

Once plywood goes bad it starts delaminating. You will probably never catch up
to the problem with any sort of sealer or miracle cure. Yanking it out and
replacing it would be the best bet.


Im thinking if I can get to solid wood by using
a dremmel I can get a pretty good hold on it by filling in the bad
parts with appoxy. Im not concerned about the cosmetices because
the floor will be recovered with carpet and the frame will be under
the floor.

You will want to go well beyond the most obviously rotted wood when you pull
the old stuff out. Pull out the rot, and some of the "still looks good" wood
immediately next to it. It's the only way to be sure you are really fixing the
problem.

The carpet was probably a major contributor to your problem. Wet carpets on
plywood floors are a good combination for promoting rot.

My plan would be to build the frame in 2 peices, glass or resen the 2"
frame before I put it in. then, screw the frame in place under the ski
hole and appoxy the crap out of it and putting glass around the edges
to seal it to the rest of the good floor.

I'm unclear about whether you plan to completely remove the present rot or just
reinforce the rotten floor with new framework. Get the rot out of there,
whatever you do.

Should I use marine
plywood? Is it the same as pressure treated plywood?

Marine plywood is not the same as pressure treated plywood. Marine ply will not
have any voids or "blows" in the laminations, but pressure treated ply is
likely to have some. Marine ply will use waterproof glues, and most exterior
plywoods will also use waterproof glue.
Anybody onboard your boat in bare feet?
Yes? Stay away from most pressure treated wood. Arsenic is harmful to children
and other living things. That saoking wet carpet could eventually have a scary
arsenic content if laid over pressure treated plywood. You can "get by" with
exterior ply, if getting by is good enough. You would use marine ply for a
better and more permanent fix.

Not sure I followed 100% what you are thinking of doing,
but sounds to me like it'd be about the same amount of work
to totally remove the floor and replace it with marine ply-wood.

It'll be a better job and possibly not any more work. Probably
less money as you won't be buying epoxy.

If you want more informed opininos about this put
your question on rec.boats.building.

Sounds like you may have been to Marine Max.

wrote:

From the day I was hoodwinked into buying this boat I've had some
problems. Never buy a boat from a good looking woman in a bikini.
Oh ya, it looked great.... The boat boys, Im talking about the boat
now. I even took it to the local dealer in town to check it out. I
got a clear green light from them. The first time out the engine
exploaded and sent smoke from every cavity in the boat. I had the
wife and kids onboard and sent them to the front of the boat while I
grabbed the fire extenguisher and pulled the enginre cover back. It
turned out to be a cracked block. Oil all over the manifolds. I
chaulked it up to buyer beware . Althought the local dealer no
longer gets ANY of my business. Im in Plano, TX. so let me know if
you want to know the name of the place.
So then, I get it all fixed up and then the little intermitant problem
happen. Batteries, Carburator, Starter... Now all that seems to be
working ok and then someone steps onto the boat hard and then...CRASH.
the floor has gotten weak around the ski hull. NOW, I have a project.

I am wanting to replace the 2" frame around the ski storage and place
braces down from the floor to the hull. I may not be able to store
skis there but I want a solid floor witout ripping it all up. Now Im
wondering what type of materials to use. Im thinking of ripping 2"
strips of pressure treated around the skiframe and using appoxy and
fiberslass so give it strength. Im not certain I can get all of the
rotten floor up without taking the entire floor up. It only looks
rotted for a about 2 inches around the ski hole. Is there any way to
seal rotten plywood? Im thinking if I can get to solid wood by using
a dremmel I can get a pretty good hold on it by filling in the bad
parts with appoxy. Im not concerned about the cosmetices because
the floor will be recovered with carpet and the frame will be under
the floor.

QUESTION TIME!!!!!

Does this plan sound feasable? Could someone advise me on the
materals to use? Ive read that appoxy and fiberglass doesn not adhere
well to pressure trated wood. Is this true? Should I use marine
plywood? Is it the same as pressure treated plywood? What kind or
resen should I use? Im a novice so ANY help would be appriciated.
Is this stuff REALLY hard to work with?

My plan would be to build the frame in 2 peices, glass or resen the 2"
frame before I put it in. then, screw the frame in place under the ski
hole and appoxy the crap out of it and putting glass around the edges
to seal it to the rest of the good floor.

I just need a good quick solution to the floor.
For the record, Its a Sea Ray Seville 1988.
Man they made alot of those boats. Ive had some great times on it
too but I see another boat in my future. Next time, Im looking a
little closer. AT THE BOAT!

Thanks in advance.
Ed

Thanks alot for the info and assistance. Still not sure on the type
of apoxxy to use ot if I should try to glass it in. New to this type
of work but I'm not afraid of trying anything.
Thanks again.
Ed



On 24 Jul 2003 15:51:27 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From the day I was hoodwinked into buying this boat I've had some
problems. Never buy a boat from a good looking woman in a bikini.

Or anything else.

(non-related story follows)..

About 25 years ago, we had a guy running a waterbed store around here. Most of
the customers were single guys. All of the salespeople were nicely stacked,
provocatively dressed young ladies. The atmosphere in the showroom was private
and seductive. The same waterbeds that were selling elsewhere for $149, were
flying out the door as fast as the guy could stock them at $500 a pop. (That
would be like, maybe, $1500 in 2003).

Turns out that the primary sales technique involved standing an inch or two
away from the prospect, and along with a strategic wink, wiggle, jiggle, and
brushback of the hair a promise to "personally deliver your new waterbed and
make sure you're completely satisfied."

Delivery day would come around, and the customers would leap to the sound of
the doorbell only to discover the saleslady, (dressed in overalls), and two
350-pound
grumpy male truckdrivers delivering his waterbed. They'd take an hour to set up
the frame and fill the mattress with water, and then the saleslady would get
the guy to sign a statement that he was completely satisfied with the delivery
and set up!

They finally shut the guy down under some kind of consumer protection law.
False advertising or something. Pretty funny, really.

As far as the floor rot:

Im thinking of ripping 2"
strips of pressure treated around the skiframe and using appoxy and
fiberslass so give it strength.

That's a technique called "sistering". Putting a good chunk of wood next to a
compromised member. Commonly done with frames on older wooden boats, but you
have to make sure you're killed all the rot spores in the bad wood or the
problem will spread like a determined cancer.

Im not certain I can get all of the
rotten floor up without taking the entire floor up.
.It only looks
rotted for a about 2 inches around the ski hole. Is there any way to
seal rotten plywood?

Once plywood goes bad it starts delaminating. You will probably never catch up
to the problem with any sort of sealer or miracle cure. Yanking it out and
replacing it would be the best bet.


Im thinking if I can get to solid wood by using
a dremmel I can get a pretty good hold on it by filling in the bad
parts with appoxy. Im not concerned about the cosmetices because
the floor will be recovered with carpet and the frame will be under
the floor.

You will want to go well beyond the most obviously rotted wood when you pull
the old stuff out. Pull out the rot, and some of the "still looks good" wood
immediately next to it. It's the only way to be sure you are really fixing the
problem.

The carpet was probably a major contributor to your problem. Wet carpets on
plywood floors are a good combination for promoting rot.

My plan would be to build the frame in 2 peices, glass or resen the 2"
frame before I put it in. then, screw the frame in place under the ski
hole and appoxy the crap out of it and putting glass around the edges
to seal it to the rest of the good floor.

I'm unclear about whether you plan to completely remove the present rot or just
reinforce the rotten floor with new framework. Get the rot out of there,
whatever you do.

Should I use marine
plywood? Is it the same as pressure treated plywood?

Marine plywood is not the same as pressure treated plywood. Marine ply will not
have any voids or "blows" in the laminations, but pressure treated ply is
likely to have some. Marine ply will use waterproof glues, and most exterior
plywoods will also use waterproof glue.
Anybody onboard your boat in bare feet?
Yes? Stay away from most pressure treated wood. Arsenic is harmful to children
and other living things. That saoking wet carpet could eventually have a scary
arsenic content if laid over pressure treated plywood. You can "get by" with
exterior ply, if getting by is good enough. You would use marine ply for a
better and more permanent fix.

Here's what I did:

1) Removed old floor
2) Bought regular 3/4" plywood (not exterior grade, not pressure
treated, not marine grade).
3) Soaked it in epoxy.
4) Applied 2 layers of fiberglass on top
5) glued it in.

I expect that piece to last longer than the boat.

i

In article , wrote:
Thanks alot for the info and assistance. Still not sure on the type
of apoxxy to use ot if I should try to glass it in. New to this type
of work but I'm not afraid of trying anything.
Thanks again.
Ed



On 24 Jul 2003 15:51:27 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From the day I was hoodwinked into buying this boat I've had some
problems. Never buy a boat from a good looking woman in a bikini.

Or anything else.

(non-related story follows)..

About 25 years ago, we had a guy running a waterbed store around here. Most of
the customers were single guys. All of the salespeople were nicely stacked,
provocatively dressed young ladies. The atmosphere in the showroom was private
and seductive. The same waterbeds that were selling elsewhere for $149, were
flying out the door as fast as the guy could stock them at $500 a pop. (That
would be like, maybe, $1500 in 2003).

Turns out that the primary sales technique involved standing an inch or two
away from the prospect, and along with a strategic wink, wiggle, jiggle, and
brushback of the hair a promise to "personally deliver your new waterbed and
make sure you're completely satisfied."

Delivery day would come around, and the customers would leap to the sound of
the doorbell only to discover the saleslady, (dressed in overalls), and two
350-pound
grumpy male truckdrivers delivering his waterbed. They'd take an hour to set up
the frame and fill the mattress with water, and then the saleslady would get
the guy to sign a statement that he was completely satisfied with the delivery
and set up!

They finally shut the guy down under some kind of consumer protection law.
False advertising or something. Pretty funny, really.

As far as the floor rot:

Im thinking of ripping 2"
strips of pressure treated around the skiframe and using appoxy and
fiberslass so give it strength.

That's a technique called "sistering". Putting a good chunk of wood next to a
compromised member. Commonly done with frames on older wooden boats, but you
have to make sure you're killed all the rot spores in the bad wood or the
problem will spread like a determined cancer.

Im not certain I can get all of the
rotten floor up without taking the entire floor up.
.It only looks
rotted for a about 2 inches around the ski hole. Is there any way to
seal rotten plywood?

Once plywood goes bad it starts delaminating. You will probably never catch up
to the problem with any sort of sealer or miracle cure. Yanking it out and
replacing it would be the best bet.


Im thinking if I can get to solid wood by using
a dremmel I can get a pretty good hold on it by filling in the bad
parts with appoxy. Im not concerned about the cosmetices because
the floor will be recovered with carpet and the frame will be under
the floor.

You will want to go well beyond the most obviously rotted wood when you pull
the old stuff out. Pull out the rot, and some of the "still looks good" wood
immediately next to it. It's the only way to be sure you are really fixing the
problem.

The carpet was probably a major contributor to your problem. Wet carpets on
plywood floors are a good combination for promoting rot.

My plan would be to build the frame in 2 peices, glass or resen the 2"
frame before I put it in. then, screw the frame in place under the ski
hole and appoxy the crap out of it and putting glass around the edges
to seal it to the rest of the good floor.

I'm unclear about whether you plan to completely remove the present rot or just
reinforce the rotten floor with new framework. Get the rot out of there,
whatever you do.

Should I use marine
plywood? Is it the same as pressure treated plywood?

Marine plywood is not the same as pressure treated plywood. Marine ply will not
have any voids or "blows" in the laminations, but pressure treated ply is
likely to have some. Marine ply will use waterproof glues, and most exterior
plywoods will also use waterproof glue.
Anybody onboard your boat in bare feet?
Yes? Stay away from most pressure treated wood. Arsenic is harmful to children
and other living things. That saoking wet carpet could eventually have a scary
arsenic content if laid over pressure treated plywood. You can "get by" with
exterior ply, if getting by is good enough. You would use marine ply for a
better and more permanent fix.

THANKS IGNORAMUS! lol (great name)

I bought pollyester epoxy and the glass to do the repair.
I also bought some stuff called Git Rot. Its supposed to restore
rotted plywood. Has anybody worked with this stuff? Does it work?
It looks and sounds good.
Well, Im off to the lake. DAMN ITS HOT! 102 right now.
Ed



On 28 Jul 2003 16:45:49 GMT, Ignoramus31468
wrote:


Here's what I did:

1) Removed old floor
2) Bought regular 3/4" plywood (not exterior grade, not pressure
treated, not marine grade).
3) Soaked it in epoxy.
4) Applied 2 layers of fiberglass on top
5) glued it in.

I expect that piece to last longer than the boat.

i

In article , wrote:
Thanks alot for the info and assistance. Still not sure on the type
of apoxxy to use ot if I should try to glass it in. New to this type
of work but I'm not afraid of trying anything.
Thanks again.
Ed



On 24 Jul 2003 15:51:27 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

From the day I was hoodwinked into buying this boat I've had some
problems. Never buy a boat from a good looking woman in a bikini.

Or anything else.

(non-related story follows)..

About 25 years ago, we had a guy running a waterbed store around here. Most of
the customers were single guys. All of the salespeople were nicely stacked,
provocatively dressed young ladies. The atmosphere in the showroom was private
and seductive. The same waterbeds that were selling elsewhere for $149, were
flying out the door as fast as the guy could stock them at $500 a pop. (That
would be like, maybe, $1500 in 2003).

Turns out that the primary sales technique involved standing an inch or two
away from the prospect, and along with a strategic wink, wiggle, jiggle, and
brushback of the hair a promise to "personally deliver your new waterbed and
make sure you're completely satisfied."

Delivery day would come around, and the customers would leap to the sound of
the doorbell only to discover the saleslady, (dressed in overalls), and two
350-pound
grumpy male truckdrivers delivering his waterbed. They'd take an hour to set up
the frame and fill the mattress with water, and then the saleslady would get
the guy to sign a statement that he was completely satisfied with the delivery
and set up!

They finally shut the guy down under some kind of consumer protection law.
False advertising or something. Pretty funny, really.

As far as the floor rot:

Im thinking of ripping 2"
strips of pressure treated around the skiframe and using appoxy and
fiberslass so give it strength.

That's a technique called "sistering". Putting a good chunk of wood next to a
compromised member. Commonly done with frames on older wooden boats, but you
have to make sure you're killed all the rot spores in the bad wood or the
problem will spread like a determined cancer.

Im not certain I can get all of the
rotten floor up without taking the entire floor up.
.It only looks
rotted for a about 2 inches around the ski hole. Is there any way to
seal rotten plywood?

Once plywood goes bad it starts delaminating. You will probably never catch up
to the problem with any sort of sealer or miracle cure. Yanking it out and
replacing it would be the best bet.


Im thinking if I can get to solid wood by using
a dremmel I can get a pretty good hold on it by filling in the bad
parts with appoxy. Im not concerned about the cosmetices because
the floor will be recovered with carpet and the frame will be under
the floor.

You will want to go well beyond the most obviously rotted wood when you pull
the old stuff out. Pull out the rot, and some of the "still looks good" wood
immediately next to it. It's the only way to be sure you are really fixing the
problem.

The carpet was probably a major contributor to your problem. Wet carpets on
plywood floors are a good combination for promoting rot.

My plan would be to build the frame in 2 peices, glass or resen the 2"
frame before I put it in. then, screw the frame in place under the ski
hole and appoxy the crap out of it and putting glass around the edges
to seal it to the rest of the good floor.

I'm unclear about whether you plan to completely remove the present rot or just
reinforce the rotten floor with new framework. Get the rot out of there,
whatever you do.

Should I use marine
plywood? Is it the same as pressure treated plywood?

Marine plywood is not the same as pressure treated plywood. Marine ply will not
have any voids or "blows" in the laminations, but pressure treated ply is
likely to have some. Marine ply will use waterproof glues, and most exterior
plywoods will also use waterproof glue.
Anybody onboard your boat in bare feet?
Yes? Stay away from most pressure treated wood. Arsenic is harmful to children
and other living things. That saoking wet carpet could eventually have a scary
arsenic content if laid over pressure treated plywood. You can "get by" with
exterior ply, if getting by is good enough. You would use marine ply for a
better and more permanent fix.