On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:39:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:53:57 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

[snip]

...and got three purple hearts...one for a minor hand injury, one a minor
thigh injury, and a third one that caused me to be out of action for a
whopping two days. Oh yeah...and I was the commander on the boat...so *I
NOMINATED MYSELF FOR THOSE MEDALS*.

The Purple Heart is not "nominated" or recommended. It is awarded
automatically
when an individual meets the criteria.

And it is determined by the commander, whether the circumstances of the
injury "fit" those criteria. Guess what? Kerry was the commander who
determined if his injuries fit the criteria. He OK'd his own Purple Hearts.

Are you suggesting that Lt. Kerry, having been wounded, should not have received
the Purple Heart?

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:26:06 GMT, Joe Parsons
wrote:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:39:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:53:57 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

[snip]

...and got three purple hearts...one for a minor hand injury, one a minor
thigh injury, and a third one that caused me to be out of action for a
whopping two days. Oh yeah...and I was the commander on the boat...so *I
NOMINATED MYSELF FOR THOSE MEDALS*.

The Purple Heart is not "nominated" or recommended. It is awarded
automatically
when an individual meets the criteria.

And it is determined by the commander, whether the circumstances of the
injury "fit" those criteria. Guess what? Kerry was the commander who
determined if his injuries fit the criteria. He OK'd his own Purple Hearts.

Are you suggesting that Lt. Kerry, having been wounded, should not have received
the Purple Heart?

I think the idea is more that the ownership of one or more Purple
Hearts does not make one a "war hero."

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:45:53 -0500, John H wrote:


I think the idea is more that the ownership of one or more Purple Hearts
does not make one a "war hero."

Perhaps, but a Bronze Star and a Silver Star usually meet that criteria.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:39:19 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:45:53 -0500, John H wrote:


I think the idea is more that the ownership of one or more Purple Hearts
does not make one a "war hero."

Perhaps, but a Bronze Star and a Silver Star usually meet that criteria.

A Bronze Star may be awarded for Valor (heroism) or Service. I believe
his Bronze Star was awarded for service, i.e. he did his time.

The Silver Star is a valor (heroism) award. The degree of valor
necessary for the award is a matter of the judgement of the
authorizing officer. Below is an extract from the given site:

http://www.chronwatch.com/content/co...y.asp?aid=6249

Extract: He then took command of a second swift boat, No. 94, which
operated in the Mekong Delta. Under his command they totaled 18
missions over a period of 48 days, a far cry from the many who
completed full tours of duty there, Oliver North and Sen. John McCain
among this group. It was with this assignment that he was awarded his
Silver Star for killing a Viet Cong soldier who was already pinned
down and wounded in a ''Hooch'' courtesy of Kerry’s .50 caliber
gunner. It was also on swift boat No. 94 where he received his third
Purple Heart for once again receiving a minor wound from a mine that
went off adjacent to his swift boat. Later, when asked about the
severity of the combat injuries Kerry himself said that one of them
cost him about two days of service, and that the other two did not
interrupt his duty. He classified himself as ''walking wounded.''

Does this make him a "war hero?" For sure, these awards have no
bearing on his presidential qualifications.


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:39:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:53:57 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

[snip]

...and got three purple hearts...one for a minor hand injury, one a
minor
thigh injury, and a third one that caused me to be out of action for a
whopping two days. Oh yeah...and I was the commander on the boat...so
*I
NOMINATED MYSELF FOR THOSE MEDALS*.

The Purple Heart is not "nominated" or recommended. It is awarded
automatically
when an individual meets the criteria.

And it is determined by the commander, whether the circumstances of the
injury "fit" those criteria. Guess what? Kerry was the commander who
determined if his injuries fit the criteria. He OK'd his own Purple
Hearts.

Are you suggesting that Lt. Kerry, having been wounded, should not have
received
the Purple Heart?

I'm suggesting that he either embellished or lied about the extent of his
first two injuries so as to be eligible for the Purple Heart.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:13:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 02:39:15 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Joe Parsons" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:53:57 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

[snip]

...and got three purple hearts...one for a minor hand injury, one a
minor
thigh injury, and a third one that caused me to be out of action for a
whopping two days. Oh yeah...and I was the commander on the boat...so
*I
NOMINATED MYSELF FOR THOSE MEDALS*.

The Purple Heart is not "nominated" or recommended. It is awarded
automatically
when an individual meets the criteria.

And it is determined by the commander, whether the circumstances of the
injury "fit" those criteria. Guess what? Kerry was the commander who
determined if his injuries fit the criteria. He OK'd his own Purple
Hearts.

Are you suggesting that Lt. Kerry, having been wounded, should not have
received
the Purple Heart?

I'm suggesting that he either embellished or lied about the extent of his
first two injuries so as to be eligible for the Purple Heart.

Then I'd suggest that you are reaching for any premise, regardless how trivial
or petty, to try to discredit him.

Setting that pettiness aside for a second, however, how do you believe he might
"lie or embellish" injuries that were treated by one or more hospital corpsmen
and/or medical officers?

Keep in mind that the criteria for the award are quite specific--and they do
*not* involve any specific degree of seriousness ("Sorry, Mr. Kerry; that's just
a little flesh wound from a .22 cal round. You don't get a Purple Heart.").

Have you ever considered spending some time on the water? It does wonders for
one's state of mind.

Joe Parsons

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:08:08 -0500, John H wrote:


Perhaps, but a Bronze Star and a Silver Star usually meet that criteria.

A Bronze Star may be awarded for Valor (heroism) or Service. I believe his
Bronze Star was awarded for service, i.e. he did his time.

His Bronze Star was awarded for pulling a man out of the water while under
fire.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:13:11 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:08:08 -0500, John H wrote:


Perhaps, but a Bronze Star and a Silver Star usually meet that criteria.

A Bronze Star may be awarded for Valor (heroism) or Service. I believe his
Bronze Star was awarded for service, i.e. he did his time.

His Bronze Star was awarded for pulling a man out of the water while under
fire.

He probably just made that up.

Oh, wait...Kerry's Bronze Star citation was signed by Adm. Zumwalt:

Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as an Officer-in-Charge of Inshore
Patrol Craft 94, one of five boats conducting a Sealords operation in the Bay
Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore
Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding
Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began
receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When
Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned
upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both
banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide
suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding
and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man
aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return to and
assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry's
calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping
with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

Joe Parsons wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:13:11 -0500, thunder wrote:


On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:08:08 -0500, John H wrote:



Perhaps, but a Bronze Star and a Silver Star usually meet that criteria.

A Bronze Star may be awarded for Valor (heroism) or Service. I believe his
Bronze Star was awarded for service, i.e. he did his time.

His Bronze Star was awarded for pulling a man out of the water while under
fire.


He probably just made that up.

Oh, wait...Kerry's Bronze Star citation was signed by Adm. Zumwalt:

Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as an Officer-in-Charge of Inshore
Patrol Craft 94, one of five boats conducting a Sealords operation in the Bay
Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore
Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding
Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began
receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When
Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned
upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both
banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide
suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding
and in pain and with disregard for his personal safety, he pulled the man
aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return to and
assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry's
calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping
with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.



At that time, Noybby was trying tu suck sustenance out of a formula bottle.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:13:11 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:08:08 -0500, John H wrote:


Perhaps, but a Bronze Star and a Silver Star usually meet that criteria.

A Bronze Star may be awarded for Valor (heroism) or Service. I believe his
Bronze Star was awarded for service, i.e. he did his time.

His Bronze Star was awarded for pulling a man out of the water while under
fire.

Thanks for informing me. In that case it was a Bronze Star for Valor.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!