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As a lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, George Bush insists he
voluntarily stopped flying in 1972 because he simply lost interest in
being a pilot. That explanation has never washed (most pilots would
rather fly than eat), and now a new possibility has emerged; the
Pentagon, suspicious of possible drug or alcohol use, booted Bush from
the cockpit. That's the intriguing scenario laid out in a detailed,
must-read

http://www.spokesmanreview.com/break...e=200431401040

from Sunday's Spokane, WA., Spokesman-Review newspaper.

Pointing to stringent U.S. regulations known as the Human Reliability
Program -- and in place at the time of Bush's spotty service -- the
rules were used to weed out pilots who had access to nuclear weapons.
Pilots such as Bush. According to the paper, HRP was instituted "to
screen military personnel for their mental, physical and emotional
fitness before granting them access to nuclear weapons and delivery
systems. Under the rules, pilots could be removed immediately from the
cockpit for HRP issues."

The Spokesman-Review notes Bush flew F-102s, which routinely carried
conventional warheads, but were also capable of carrying nuclear-tipped
missiles, meaning he'd fall under the HRP rules. The paper also reports
nearly 50,000 pilots were decertified due to HRP between 1975 and 1984.

If Bush was yanked because of the program there ought to be a clear
paper trail in his military records. But no mention was found among the
documents the White House released last month in an effort to quell the
controversy of Bush's missing year from the Texas Air National Guard
between 1972 and 1973.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...ard/index.html
Then again, there were lots of things missing from that White House
document dump, such as an Officer Effectiveness Report for Bush's final
year in the Guard. It's among the most important evaluations superiors
do on officers. But according to White House, the document simple does
not exist.

The Spokesman-Review got nowhere with the White House, the Pentagon, or
the National Guard Bureau with its questions about Bush's Guard service,
and any possible HRP connection. It's obvious an information lockdown is
now in effect. Even the National Guard Bureau's Freedom of Information
Act officer has stopped taking requests on Bush's military service.

Still, the article goes a long way in explaining what's always been the
biggest mystery surrounding Bush's questionable Guard service: Why did
he stop flying? When he landed a coveted spot in the Texas Air National
Guard at the height of the Vietnam War in 1968, Bush pledged, "I have
applied for pilot training with the goal of making flying a lifetime
pursuit." Instead, 22 months after the government spent nearly $1
million training him to be a pilot, Bush, with two years left on his
commitment, simply walked away from his aviating career, never flying
after April 1972.

The article wasn't all bad news for Bush. He still has a few Guard
defenders. Retired Brig. Gen. Walter Staudt, the man who got Bush a
direct commission as a second lieutenant straight out of Yale University
in May 1968, is 81 years old and itching for a fight. "I love the guy
[Bush]," he told the Statesman-Review. "I'm so tired of this negative
crap about him that I'd like to volunteer to build a barn and take you
press guys out behind it and kick your asses."

-- Eric Boehlert

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I suppose the real question is whether the TANG stopped flying the 102 then. He
may not have wanted to go back to school on a Phantom or whatever they replaced
it with.

I think we all know GW was flying because it looked like fun.
I don't think anyone confuses him with Chuck Yeager or even John McCain in that
regard.
There were certainly lots of easier ways to dodge the draft. He could have
simply stayed in school until he was 26 like his predecessor. Daddy had the
tuition money. If he was really that uncommitted to flying the taxpayer was
better off letting him go.

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Greg wrote:

I suppose the real question is whether the TANG stopped flying the 102 then.

IMHO that is why GB Jr left the field of military aviation. Although it's possible
he was under a bit of a shadow. By most reports back then he was a hard-partyin'
frat boy.



There were certainly lots of easier ways to dodge the draft. He could have
simply stayed in school until he was 26 like his predecessor. Daddy had the
tuition money.

It's not a question of tuition money, it's a question as to whether his student
deferment could be maintained as an 6th year sophomore. He certainly wasn't getting
into grad school with a "gentleman's C" average.

DSK

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You could keep a 2S if you were a high school sophmore for 8 years, that wasn't
an issue.

Since he got a Yale MBA I have to believe he could squeek into graduate school.

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Greg wrote:
You could keep a 2S if you were a high school sophmore for 8 years, that wasn't
an issue.

Since he got a Yale MBA I have to believe he could squeek into graduate school.

Good point, but I was under the impression that his MBA was years later,
and awarded largely on the basis of his 'business success' and a hefty
donation.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
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Greg wrote:
You could keep a 2S if you were a high school sophmore for 8 years, that
wasn't
an issue.

Since he got a Yale MBA I have to believe he could squeek into graduate
school.

Good point, but I was under the impression that his MBA was years later,
and awarded largely on the basis of his 'business success' and a hefty
donation.

DSK


By 1971, they were wanting people to leave the service. VN was winding down
and then you have an excess of pilots.
Bill

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Calif Bill wrote:
By 1971, they were wanting people to leave the service. VN was winding down
and then you have an excess of pilots.

But he didn't go to Viet Nam anyway, so would that have affected GB Jr?

Besides, you can't have it both ways, either he was a good pilot, was
not AWOL, and the service *still* didn't want him.... or he wasn't good
enough (or reliable enough) to make the cut.

How you people can look at the plain facts and conclude that GB Jr is
worthy of being elected dog catcher, much less President, is beyond me.

DSK

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"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Calif Bill wrote:
By 1971, they were wanting people to leave the service. VN was winding
down
and then you have an excess of pilots.

But he didn't go to Viet Nam anyway, so would that have affected GB Jr?

Besides, you can't have it both ways, either he was a good pilot, was
not AWOL, and the service *still* didn't want him.... or he wasn't good
enough (or reliable enough) to make the cut.

How you people can look at the plain facts and conclude that GB Jr is
worthy of being elected dog catcher, much less President, is beyond me.

DSK


Lots of good pilots were being cut. The VN flyers were better as they had
lots more practice. My friend spent 2 years flying phantoms and I bet he
had a lot more hours than any stateside military pilot. Even had more
practice bailing out.
Bill

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"Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net...
"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Greg wrote:
You could keep a 2S if you were a high school sophmore for 8 years, that
wasn't
an issue.

Since he got a Yale MBA I have to believe he could squeek into graduate
school.

Good point, but I was under the impression that his MBA was years later,
and awarded largely on the basis of his 'business success' and a hefty
donation.

DSK


By 1971, they were wanting people to leave the service. VN was winding down
and then you have an excess of pilots.
Bill

Yeah, there you go! They WANTED GWB to not fullfill his duty!!!

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Calif Bill wrote:
Lots of good pilots were being cut. The VN flyers were better as they had
lots more practice. My friend spent 2 years flying phantoms and I bet he
had a lot more hours than any stateside military pilot. Even had more
practice bailing out.

Dude... I thought that was the kind of thing you *didn't* want to
practice? Your friend is either very lucky or very good!

Anyway the F-4 was just being phased out when I was in the Navy. That
plane had (still has in some countries) an amazing service record.

DSK