"Donal" schreef in bericht
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair
in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a
group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''


Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


From The Log of the Cutty Sark by Basil Lubbock:
(Brown, Son & Ferguson, Glasgow, 1924, reprinted 1974)

QUOTE
Captain John Willis instructed Hellyer to put forward all his talent and
spare no expense in portraying Burn's great poem in carved wood upon bow and
stern of the Cutty Sark. Thus Tam o'Shanter on his grey mare "Meg" was to be
seen riding along the clipper's quarter whilst the witches in very scanty
attire were shown dancing in great abandon behind Nannie on the scroll work
of the Cutty's bow.
This artistic masterpiece, however, was too much for the well-known
mid-Victorian delicacy in such matters and old "White Hat" had the naked
witches removed.
UNQUOTE

Not much has changed since 135 years... ;-)

Kindes regards from Holland,
Lou van Wijhe

AntiSpam: Om me te mailen, plaats een punt tussen "van" en "wijhe"
AntiSpam: For mailing me put a full stop between "van" and "wijhe"

Butch,
I didn't get that impression at all. But at least it did have to do with
boating. :-)
Paul

"Butch Ammon" wrote in message
...
Very nice... Very thoughtful... Once again, you look down upon others
from
your high and rightous pedestal. Sheesh....

Butch Ammon

Scott,
I thought his point was that we have some hang-ups in this country. You
may agree or disagree, but I thought his point was clear.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What's your point, Chris?

"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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CJB

Donal,
LOL Yes there is that.
Paul

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair
in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a
group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal
--

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal

As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!
Precious idiots...
--

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.





"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/nyregion/22ship.html

Additional web sites at:


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CJB

"Jonathan Ganz" wrote:
Was Ashcroft one of the students?

"Ashcroft" and "students" in the same sentence reminds me of a joke:

Attorney General Ashcroft is visiting an elementary school. After a
brief
speech, he announces, "All right, boys and girls, now you can ask me
questions."

A young boy named Bobby raises his hand and says, "I have three
questions:

1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than Gore?
2. Why are you using the USA Patriot Act to limit Americans' civil
liberties
and violate the Constitution?
3. Why hasn't the U.S. caught Osama Bin Laden yet?"

Just then the recess bell sounds and all the kids run out to the
playground.
After recess, the kids come back to class and Ashcroft says, "I'm
sorry we were interrupted. Now you can continue with your questions."

A young girl raises her hand and says, "I have two questions:

1. How come the recess bell went off 20 minutes early?
2. Where's Bobby?"

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

The original comment about a wooden tit was made by a Dutch member. Holland
has troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition. How does that make him a
coward?

And what does talking about America's sudden inclination for Puritanical
beliefs being enforced on a hundred year old ship have to do with the war in
Iraq? All of the shows on TV do nothing but emphasize sex. Children are
having babies in their early teens because of this constant influence. Yet,
items from our history that have substantial meaning and no sexual
connotation whatsoever must now be censored...? Isn't this a bit
hypocritical...? Also, wasn't the US founded on the belief that everyone
has their own say? Internet boards such as this are terrific for that. It
also allows for the meshing of cultures and the better understanding of
viewpoints. Yet, it appears now that everyone can have their say, so long
as it coincides with what the majority of people "think" they believe based
upon what the media feels like reporting that day, in a sensationalistic and
not factual approach, of course.

Don't you think it is ironic that a Congressional investigation was launched
and convened quicker for Janet Jackson's pierced tit than the one needed
about false intelligence surrounding 9-11...???

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red
hair in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked
in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a
group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal

As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!
Precious idiots...
--

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

Irrelevant, but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...