Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead – a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships –
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Very nice... Very thoughtful... Once again, you look down upon others from
your high and rightous pedestal. Sheesh....

Butch Ammon

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Ya gotta get a kick out of the 'States'. What a wacky place for extremes.
The US may have the 'best' of everything...but also seems to have the worst.
What could be more natural than a woman's breast. A few years ago those
schoolchildren were probably fed by a breast.
If you make it seem dirty and forbidden, the kids will pick up on that and
search it out anyway.
Most music videos on MM are much worse than a ships figurehead could ever
be.

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Now there is a contradiction in terms...the "moral right." A more
pathetic and immoral collection of nincompoops cannot be found than the
"moral right." You know, it was God's plan to make women alluring to
men. There's no question about it............


I wonder what he was thinking when he put the bitch-tits on you.

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

What's your point, Chris?

"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair in a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.



"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/nyregion/22ship.html

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Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Was Ashcroft one of the students?

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

What kid from NYC would be embarassed by a wooden tit? They see hookers on
the streets, porno shops every 3rd block, people being mugged. They see the
likes of Jax! They see much worse than that on TV.

SV

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.



"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal
--

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Donal" schreef in bericht
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair
in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a
group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''


Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


From The Log of the Cutty Sark by Basil Lubbock:
(Brown, Son & Ferguson, Glasgow, 1924, reprinted 1974)

QUOTE
Captain John Willis instructed Hellyer to put forward all his talent and
spare no expense in portraying Burn's great poem in carved wood upon bow and
stern of the Cutty Sark. Thus Tam o'Shanter on his grey mare "Meg" was to be
seen riding along the clipper's quarter whilst the witches in very scanty
attire were shown dancing in great abandon behind Nannie on the scroll work
of the Cutty's bow.
This artistic masterpiece, however, was too much for the well-known
mid-Victorian delicacy in such matters and old "White Hat" had the naked
witches removed.
UNQUOTE

Not much has changed since 135 years... ;-)

Kindes regards from Holland,
Lou van Wijhe

AntiSpam: Om me te mailen, plaats een punt tussen "van" en "wijhe"
AntiSpam: For mailing me put a full stop between "van" and "wijhe"

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Butch,
I didn't get that impression at all. But at least it did have to do with
boating. :-)
Paul

"Butch Ammon" wrote in message
...
Very nice... Very thoughtful... Once again, you look down upon others
from
your high and rightous pedestal. Sheesh....

Butch Ammon

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Scott,
I thought his point was that we have some hang-ups in this country. You
may agree or disagree, but I thought his point was clear.
Paul

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
What's your point, Chris?

"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

More at: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/22/nyregion/22ship.html

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Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Donal,
LOL Yes there is that.
Paul

"Donal" wrote in message
...

"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair
in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a
group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal
--

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Donal" wrote in message ...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red hair in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal

As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!
Precious idiots...
--

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.





"Chris Brady" wrote in message
om...
Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment to school-children.

During a visit to South Street Seaport Museum in New York, the
Dutch-built tall ship "Stad Amsterdam" caused much embarrassment to
the young folk of the city with its figurehead. In an episode very
reminiscent of "boobgate" (
http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ent&q=Boobgate ) school
children had to be diverted away from the front end of the ship lest
they should catch sight of it's traditional figurehead - a young woman
with flowing hair and BARE breasts.

As reported: "The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with
long red hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir
when the ship docked in, where the ship's publicity staff had to
divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it."

This is what the fuss was all about:

http://www.stadamsterdam.com/en/partners/partners.asp

Such figureheads are of course entirely traditional for tall ships -
amounting to a harmless pagan offering to ensure calm seas and
following winds, and indeed have always been so for hundreds of years.
And in the Netherlands a naked female figurehead would have caused no
concern whatsoever.

Unfortunately in a country where the moral right reigns supreme such a
sight was certainly not acceptable and as widely reported the school
children had to be directed away from such a scandalous sight.

But this does beggar the imagination as to what the sailors of old,
who used to dock their ships at US ports and ports around the world,
would have made of all this. Their prime concern after a voyage would
have been to visit the local brothels where they would have seen much
more than the bare breasts of the local women!!

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"Jonathan Ganz" wrote:
Was Ashcroft one of the students?

"Ashcroft" and "students" in the same sentence reminds me of a joke:

Attorney General Ashcroft is visiting an elementary school. After a
brief
speech, he announces, "All right, boys and girls, now you can ask me
questions."

A young boy named Bobby raises his hand and says, "I have three
questions:

1. How did Bush win the election with fewer votes than Gore?
2. Why are you using the USA Patriot Act to limit Americans' civil
liberties
and violate the Constitution?
3. Why hasn't the U.S. caught Osama Bin Laden yet?"

Just then the recess bell sounds and all the kids run out to the
playground.
After recess, the kids come back to class and Ashcroft says, "I'm
sorry we were interrupted. Now you can continue with your questions."

A young girl raises her hand and says, "I have two questions:

1. How come the recess bell went off 20 minutes early?
2. Where's Bobby?"

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

The original comment about a wooden tit was made by a Dutch member. Holland
has troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition. How does that make him a
coward?

And what does talking about America's sudden inclination for Puritanical
beliefs being enforced on a hundred year old ship have to do with the war in
Iraq? All of the shows on TV do nothing but emphasize sex. Children are
having babies in their early teens because of this constant influence. Yet,
items from our history that have substantial meaning and no sexual
connotation whatsoever must now be censored...? Isn't this a bit
hypocritical...? Also, wasn't the US founded on the belief that everyone
has their own say? Internet boards such as this are terrific for that. It
also allows for the meshing of cultures and the better understanding of
viewpoints. Yet, it appears now that everyone can have their say, so long
as it coincides with what the majority of people "think" they believe based
upon what the media feels like reporting that day, in a sensationalistic and
not factual approach, of course.

Don't you think it is ironic that a Congressional investigation was launched
and convened quicker for Janet Jackson's pierced tit than the one needed
about false intelligence surrounding 9-11...???

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote in message
...
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
...
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red
hair in
a
green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the ship docked
in
Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff had to divert a
group
of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it. ''

''Otherwise, the visits to American ports have gone smoothly.''



Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


Regards

Donal

As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!
Precious idiots...
--

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

Irrelevant, but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?

I find this amusing because on Sunday I took my 8 year old daughter to a
performance of the Shanghai Circus at Boston's Symphony Hall. My daughter and
her friend giggled a bit when they noticed the nude statues, male and female,
that line the walls, but otherwise paid little attention to them.

Are you claiming that the statues should be clothed? Would you walk out if you
went there for a performance? Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.



"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Backyard Renegade" wrote
Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself.


Jeff Morris wrote:
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?
...(snip)... Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.


** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made
of two different kinds of thread (cotton/poly). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank
you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

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"DSK" wrote in message
...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote
Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself.


Jeff Morris wrote:
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should
be
covered because you find it offensive?
...(snip)... Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading
your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by
something.


** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US
resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments
made
of two different kinds of thread (cotton/poly). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank
you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.

I guess Dr. Laura has nothing against a bare tit.
http://www.konformist.com/drlaura.htm

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
The acute embarrassment the children felt was due to the stupidity of the
guides, not the figurehead.

Gotta love tolerance and respect for those with different views...
Typical of the arrogance of the intolerant.

You may be right. After all, breasts were not intended for children.

Haahaa!!! That's a GOOD one!!

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"Martin Wefald" schreef in bericht
...

...

I guess Dr. Laura has nothing against a bare tit.

Make it two.
--
Lou van Wijhe

AntiSpam: Om me te mailen, plaats een punt tussen "van" en "wijhe"
AntiSpam: For mailing me put a full stop between "van" and "wijhe"

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"Jeff Morris" wrote in message ...
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?

Not at all, if I don't like it, I can turn away... Just don't need
some arrogant europeon making snide remarks if I choose to turn away.
Is that so hard to understand. Read the comment that brought me into
this thread, I never said I personally had a problem with the tit, you
seem to want not to address that which I have made clear earlier.
Either way, it is a arrogant snob from some probably spineless or
failed country telling me how to run my life and turning a thread
about, well, er, nothing, into a political rant about my president and
my country, heck, the little bitch probably never even been here..
Geeze, get your heads out of your asses, I won't bother with you
anymore.


I find this amusing because on Sunday I took my 8 year old daughter to a
performance of the Shanghai Circus at Boston's Symphony Hall. My daughter and
her friend giggled a bit when they noticed the nude statues, male and female,
that line the walls, but otherwise paid little attention to them.

Are you claiming that the statues should be clothed? Would you walk out if you
went there for a performance? Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.



"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself. Like I said,
snide remarks from those who would tell me how to raise my children...
Never said I was against the tit, my girls all know what tits are...
Pay close attention here Jeffie... I don't want others telling me how
to raise my childeren any more than you want me telling you who to
sleep with...

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

Backyard Renegade wrote:

a political rant about my president


Your president is a dumb, cowardly, lying ass.

Dutch tall ship causes acute embarrassment
 

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...
"Donal" wrote in message
...

Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!

Why don't you tell the families of 200 dead Spaniards about your sons'
glorious efforts to make the world a safer place? Do think that you would
have the courage to explain it to one family? A six year old girl was taken
to school by her mother. The mother boarded a train. Six hours later, the
girl was picked up by her father.

Would you have the courage to face that little girl and explain that your
sons and daughters are making the world a safer place? I think that she
would scream and cry - and her father would probably spit on you.

Civil liberties are being eroded across the "free" world as a result of
Bush's inability to differentiate between a religious fanatic (bin Laden),
and a despotic *secular* leader (Saddam).


Regards


Donal
--

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Donal wrote:

"Backyard Renegade" wrote in message
om...

"Donal" wrote in message

...

Europeans are surprised by the American reaction to a wooden tit. You
either react with horror, or you vote it into the office of President!


As our sons and daughters fight around the world to save your coward
asses, you all sit around worrying about who gets to see a wooden tit!


Why don't you tell the families of 200 dead Spaniards about your sons'
glorious efforts to make the world a safer place? Do think that you would
have the courage to explain it to one family? A six year old girl was taken
to school by her mother. The mother boarded a train. Six hours later, the
girl was picked up by her father.

Would you have the courage to face that little girl and explain that your
sons and daughters are making the world a safer place? I think that she
would scream and cry - and her father would probably spit on you.

Civil liberties are being eroded across the "free" world as a result of
Bush's inability to differentiate between a religious fanatic (bin Laden),
and a despotic *secular* leader (Saddam).


Regards


Donal
--



Geroge W. Bush is the greatest recruiter for terrorism the world has
ever seen.

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Jake,
I don't recommend that people get married these days until at least 25
let alone have children before. But I find it interesting that in reading a
lot of books about American Indian culture, when a girl had her first period
she was considered a woman and frequently married and had kids. Perhaps they
were a lot more mature for their time and place.
Paul


"Jake" wrote in message
...

snipped

All of the shows on TV do nothing but emphasize sex. Children are
having babies in their early teens because of this constant influence.

snipped

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I agree. The maturity level of the two generations you describe is vastly
different. Considering that one of the most difficult choices children in
their early teens have these days is what video game to play, I think it
would be comparing apples and oranges to the children of days past.
Besides, the average lifespan in those days was 30-35 years. A 13-15 year
old girl could be considered middle-age...!!!


"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Jake,
I don't recommend that people get married these days until at least 25
let alone have children before. But I find it interesting that in reading
a
lot of books about American Indian culture, when a girl had her first
period
she was considered a woman and frequently married and had kids. Perhaps
they
were a lot more mature for their time and place.
Paul


"Jake" wrote in message
...

snipped

All of the shows on TV do nothing but emphasize sex. Children are
having babies in their early teens because of this constant influence.

snipped

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In a variety of cultures where marriages were arranged, it was not uncommon for
the bride to 11 or 12 years old, or even younger. This, however, didn't mean
she was ready to become a fulltime housewife. I've heard descriptions of the
village "child-brides" playing the same games they played before marriage. Of
course, I'm sure things went downhill after they started having children.



"Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast,dot,net wrote in message
...
Jake,
I don't recommend that people get married these days until at least 25
let alone have children before. But I find it interesting that in reading a
lot of books about American Indian culture, when a girl had her first period
she was considered a woman and frequently married and had kids. Perhaps they
were a lot more mature for their time and place.
Paul


"Jake" wrote in message
...

snipped

All of the shows on TV do nothing but emphasize sex. Children are
having babies in their early teens because of this constant influence.

snipped

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Jeff Morris:

| In a variety of cultures where marriages were arranged, it was not
| uncommon for the bride to 11 or 12 years old, or even younger. This,
| however, didn't mean she was ready to become a fulltime housewife.
| I've heard descriptions of the village "child-brides" playing the same
| games they played before marriage. Of course, I'm sure things went
| downhill after they started having children.

Yeah... imagine playing hide-and-seek with a toddler following you
everywhere.

BTW, just to get this slightly on-topic again, I remember a story
about a British tall-ship being sold to Norway about a hundred
years ago. The new owners wanted to name her after a politician
(who was male, of course, as they usually were at that time). The
owners' representative in England checked the ship, and sent them
a telegram: "Name wrong. Lady in front."

Jørgen

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DSK wrote in message .. .
"Backyard Renegade" wrote
Irrelevant,
but I guess you sounded good to yourself.


Jeff Morris wrote:
So are you claiming that statues, figureheads, and other artwork should be
covered because you find it offensive?
...(snip)... Do you want your children's teachers to tell them
that such things are offensive and should be avoided? Frankly, reading your
posts I have no idea what you are saying, except you seem offended by something.


** ** a relevant joke ** **

Dear Dr. Laura...

On her US radio show recently, Dr Laura Schlesinger said that, as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to
Leviticus 18:22, and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The
following response is an open letter to Dr. Laura, penned by a US resident,
which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge
with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22
clearly states it to be an abomination. ... End of debate. I do need some
advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Law
and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?


No Let them bring the A1 sauce.

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price
for her?


Heathen, No person should be sold into slavery.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

The nose knows!


4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of
mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

They are un-cleanly. Stick to mexicans.


5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2. The passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally
obligated to kill him myself?

No. But suggest that he take a day off, that will do.


6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

Yes! Tell me o holy one. Which is more abominal
To swallow a salty oyster. Or to swallow a salty load?


7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?


Think moral, not literial.


8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

No. Use baptist sizzors and it's OK.



9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

Just take a bath a couple of time a week and you should be OK.



10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made
of two different kinds of thread (cotton/poly). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?

Yes it is. If the whole town feels that it is right to stone him,
then go ahead! Hopefully someone will object!


- Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

Feel free! Just put it on the Jerry Springer Show!

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy
considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank
you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your adoring fan,


God's going to get ya for that one Tougboat!

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Harry Krause wrote:


Your president is a dumb, cowardly, lying ass.

Why, that describes you also!

-- Charlie

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Scott Vernon wrote:
Did you even read the article that you posted?

''The painted figure on the bow of the ship, a woman with long red
hair in a green dress with one breast bared, caused a stir when the
ship docked in Jacksonville, Fla., where the ship's publicity staff
had to divert a group of schoolchildren so they would not pass by it.
''

???? You must be kidding.

ROTFLMAO

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Jake wrote:
The original comment about a wooden tit was made by a Dutch member.
Holland has troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition. How does that
make him a coward?

And what does talking about America's sudden inclination for
Puritanical beliefs being enforced on a hundred year old ship have to
do with the war in Iraq? All of the shows on TV do nothing but
emphasize sex. Children are having babies in their early teens
because of this constant influence.

Maybe the lack of available birth control methods and good information for
these youngsters has something to do with it as well. ;-)

Because I always learned when you use birth control you won't get babies :-)


Yet, items from our history that
have substantial meaning and no sexual connotation whatsoever must
now be censored...? Isn't this a bit hypocritical...?


Retoric qusetion ?


Also, wasn't
the US founded on the belief that everyone has their own say?
Internet boards such as this are terrific for that. It also allows
for the meshing of cultures and the better understanding of
viewpoints. Yet, it appears now that everyone can have their say, so
long as it coincides with what the majority of people "think" they
believe based upon what the media feels like reporting that day, in a
sensationalistic and not factual approach, of course.


Doesn't sound like freedom to me ;-)


Don't you think it is ironic that a Congressional investigation was
launched and convened quicker for Janet Jackson's pierced tit than
the one needed about false intelligence surrounding 9-11...???

Hahahaha :-))

- D -

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Jake wrote:
The original comment about a wooden tit was made by a Dutch member.
Holland has troops in Iraq as part of the Coalition. How does that
make him a coward?

And what does talking about America's sudden inclination for
Puritanical beliefs being enforced on a hundred year old ship have to
do with the war in Iraq? All of the shows on TV do nothing but
emphasize sex. Children are having babies in their early teens
because of this constant influence.

Maybe the lack of available birth control methods and good information for
these youngsters has something to do with it as well. ;-)

Because I always learned when you use birth control you won't get babies :-)


Yet, items from our history that
have substantial meaning and no sexual connotation whatsoever must
now be censored...? Isn't this a bit hypocritical...?


Retoric qusetion ?


Also, wasn't
the US founded on the belief that everyone has their own say?
Internet boards such as this are terrific for that. It also allows
for the meshing of cultures and the better understanding of
viewpoints. Yet, it appears now that everyone can have their say, so
long as it coincides with what the majority of people "think" they
believe based upon what the media feels like reporting that day, in a
sensationalistic and not factual approach, of course.


Doesn't sound like freedom to me ;-)


Don't you think it is ironic that a Congressional investigation was
launched and convened quicker for Janet Jackson's pierced tit than
the one needed about false intelligence surrounding 9-11...???

Hahahaha :-))

- D -