I have an almost identical situation. I have a homemade cart using 20"
bicycle wheels. It holds a couple of 5 gallon jerry cans and I can easily
roll it 200 feet down the rugged rock terrain to the top of the stairs that
go down to the dock. I still have to lug them down the 30 steps and then
into the boat. There I use a siphon to put gas into the inboard tank.
Whatever method you decide upon, you need to eliminate all possibility of
fuel spillage into the lake or into the boat. I stopped using a funnel and
started with the siphon tube for this reason. I never try to fill the tank
completely and will not attempt a 5 gallon transfer until the tank is low
enough to take the whole thing with room to spare.

I have thought about the long hose but the potential for fuel spills is too
great. There are too many ways that fuel could spill onto the ground, the
lake or the boat.

--
Denis Roy
D. Roy Woodcraft
www.ideasinwood.com
"tony thomas" wrote in message
news:JGege.70681$NU4.51046@attbi_s22...
Your right. You could just use a hose and let it siphon down the hill.
170' of hose is going to hold a lot of fuel. You better shut it off
before it gets full.
I would not recommend any kind of large external fuel tank though. If you
had a wreck - insurance/liability may be a big problem as the tank is
probably not DOT approved.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

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"Gary" wrote in message
om...
Since it's all down hill, why not take advantage of that. You could buy
a
tank to put into your jeep that drains from the bottom and attach a hose
long enough to reach the boat (one that's approved for gas of course) and
put some type of valve on it so that you can turn it on and off and use
gravity to pump the fuel down to your boat.




"Arden" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm looking for some advice on a quick, convenient, safe, and legal way
to get gasoline into my ski boat. I live on the lake and keep my boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill. I know that I could probably buy a gas caddy (i.e. Gas Pal,
Gas Walker, etc.), but the terrain is kind of rugged and I think it
might not be that easy getting the caddy down the hill safely; esp.
considering how heavy it would be when full. Heck, it's hard enough to
walk up the hill without the caddy. I prefer not to pull the boat out
and tow it to the station; that's what I've been doing, but am looking
for a way to save time). Also, I don't think I could install any kind
of large fuel tank here due to homeowners association restrictions. I
should also mention that the boat has a 25 gallon built-in tank. Since
I drive my Jeep by the gas station regularly anyway, it sure would be
nice if I could find a safe way to pump or siphon fuel from it into the
boat. Suggestions?
Thank-you!!

A VERY STRONG WARNING,,,, Drive a metal ground rod, and ground your
Jeep with a clamp FIRST, before fueling, and remember that fuel flowing
down the inside of a dry rubber hose can actually generate static energy.

Very sound advice. You see this done with airliners routinely...ground
strap, THEN fuel.

--Mike

"gudmundur" wrote in message
...
In article om,
says...

I'm looking for some advice on a quick, convenient, safe, and legal way
to get gasoline into my ski boat. I live on the lake and keep my boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill. I know that I could probably buy a gas caddy (i.e. Gas Pal,

I used to use my 1948 pickup as my gas caddy. Drive it to the gas station,
then down to the pier, and siphon the truck fuel over to the boat.

A VERY STRONG WARNING,,,, Drive a metal ground rod, and ground your
Jeep with a clamp FIRST, before fueling, and remember that fuel flowing
down the inside of a dry rubber hose can actually generate static energy.

In view of all the soccer moms that blew up while fueling their SUV's
this static point can't be stressed enough. Your Jeep is isolated above
ground by it's rubber tires, and could have many thousands of volts of
static charge referenced to your well grounded boat.

Actually, they "bond" the aircraft to the fuel truck...they attach a cable
to the aircraft that is also attached to the fuel truck, since the truck
isn't grounded. This eliminates the possibility of any spark occurring
between the aircraft and the truck.

I fly corporate jets...at least, this is how it's done with them. I can't
say for 100% certainty with airline jets. It may be slightly different,
since many of them are not fueled by a tanker truck. Often the fuel tanks
are in the ground and a smaller truck with a pump transfers the fuel from
the underground tank to the aircraft. But since this boating situation
involves a tank in the jeep, it's something to think about. Maybe the boat
is well grounded since it's in the water and if the jeep were grounded to a
ground rod, that would be perfectly sufficient, but I'm not sure.

Food for thought.

Gary






"mgg" wrote in message
om...
A VERY STRONG WARNING,,,, Drive a metal ground rod, and ground your
Jeep with a clamp FIRST, before fueling, and remember that fuel flowing
down the inside of a dry rubber hose can actually generate static
energy.

Very sound advice. You see this done with airliners routinely...ground
strap, THEN fuel.

--Mike

"gudmundur" wrote in message
...
In article om,
says...

I'm looking for some advice on a quick, convenient, safe, and legal way
to get gasoline into my ski boat. I live on the lake and keep my boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill. I know that I could probably buy a gas caddy (i.e. Gas Pal,

I used to use my 1948 pickup as my gas caddy. Drive it to the gas
station,
then down to the pier, and siphon the truck fuel over to the boat.

A VERY STRONG WARNING,,,, Drive a metal ground rod, and ground your
Jeep with a clamp FIRST, before fueling, and remember that fuel flowing
down the inside of a dry rubber hose can actually generate static
energy.

In view of all the soccer moms that blew up while fueling their SUV's
this static point can't be stressed enough. Your Jeep is isolated above
ground by it's rubber tires, and could have many thousands of volts of
static charge referenced to your well grounded boat.

Arden wrote:
I'm looking for some advice on a quick, convenient, safe, and legal
way
to get gasoline into my ski boat. I live on the lake and keep my
boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill. I know that I could probably buy a gas caddy (i.e. Gas
Pal,
Gas Walker, etc.), but the terrain is kind of rugged and I think it
might not be that easy getting the caddy down the hill safely; esp.
considering how heavy it would be when full. Heck, it's hard enough
to
walk up the hill without the caddy. I prefer not to pull the boat
out
and tow it to the station; that's what I've been doing, but am
looking
for a way to save time). Also, I don't think I could install any
kind
of large fuel tank here due to homeowners association restrictions.
I
should also mention that the boat has a 25 gallon built-in tank.
Since
I drive my Jeep by the gas station regularly anyway, it sure would be
nice if I could find a safe way to pump or siphon fuel from it into
the
boat. Suggestions?
Thank-you!!


It's downhill, I'd let gravity do the work. 55 gallon tank at the top
of the hill, run some hosing approved for gasoline, and at the bottom,
an approved valve.

On 10 May 2005 11:30:06 -0700, "Arden" wrote:

I live on the lake and keep my boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill.

I keep many of my boats at a dock. And my driveway is MUCH longer than
yours. Do you want to see some pictures?

That is a great idea, except I would make sure I have a gas nozzle to shut
off the gas.

Here is a place you can buy gas nozzles:

http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/produ...36&src=21YA001



"tony thomas" wrote in message
news:JGege.70681$NU4.51046@attbi_s22...
Your right. You could just use a hose and let it siphon down the hill.
170' of hose is going to hold a lot of fuel. You better shut it off
before it gets full.
I would not recommend any kind of large external fuel tank though. If you
had a wreck - insurance/liability may be a big problem as the tank is
probably not DOT approved.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

-
"Gary" wrote in message
om...
Since it's all down hill, why not take advantage of that. You could buy
a
tank to put into your jeep that drains from the bottom and attach a hose
long enough to reach the boat (one that's approved for gas of course) and
put some type of valve on it so that you can turn it on and off and use
gravity to pump the fuel down to your boat.




"Arden" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm looking for some advice on a quick, convenient, safe, and legal way
to get gasoline into my ski boat. I live on the lake and keep my boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill. I know that I could probably buy a gas caddy (i.e. Gas Pal,
Gas Walker, etc.), but the terrain is kind of rugged and I think it
might not be that easy getting the caddy down the hill safely; esp.
considering how heavy it would be when full. Heck, it's hard enough to
walk up the hill without the caddy. I prefer not to pull the boat out
and tow it to the station; that's what I've been doing, but am looking
for a way to save time). Also, I don't think I could install any kind
of large fuel tank here due to homeowners association restrictions. I
should also mention that the boat has a 25 gallon built-in tank. Since
I drive my Jeep by the gas station regularly anyway, it sure would be
nice if I could find a safe way to pump or siphon fuel from it into the
boat. Suggestions?
Thank-you!!

Ebay has a number of gasoline nozzles for sale:

http://search.ebay.com/gasoline-nozz...trypageZsearch





"Capt. John Smith" Virginia Settler wrote in message
...
That is a great idea, except I would make sure I have a gas nozzle to shut
off the gas.

Here is a place you can buy gas nozzles:

http://www.gemplers.com/a/shop/produ...36&src=21YA001



"tony thomas" wrote in message
news:JGege.70681$NU4.51046@attbi_s22...
Your right. You could just use a hose and let it siphon down the hill.
170' of hose is going to hold a lot of fuel. You better shut it off
before it gets full.
I would not recommend any kind of large external fuel tank though. If
you had a wreck - insurance/liability may be a big problem as the tank is
probably not DOT approved.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

-
"Gary" wrote in message
om...
Since it's all down hill, why not take advantage of that. You could buy
a
tank to put into your jeep that drains from the bottom and attach a hose
long enough to reach the boat (one that's approved for gas of course)
and
put some type of valve on it so that you can turn it on and off and use
gravity to pump the fuel down to your boat.




"Arden" wrote in message
ps.com...
I'm looking for some advice on a quick, convenient, safe, and legal way
to get gasoline into my ski boat. I live on the lake and keep my boat
at my dock. From the driveway to the boat is about 170 feet, all
downhill. I know that I could probably buy a gas caddy (i.e. Gas Pal,
Gas Walker, etc.), but the terrain is kind of rugged and I think it
might not be that easy getting the caddy down the hill safely; esp.
considering how heavy it would be when full. Heck, it's hard enough to
walk up the hill without the caddy. I prefer not to pull the boat out
and tow it to the station; that's what I've been doing, but am looking
for a way to save time). Also, I don't think I could install any kind
of large fuel tank here due to homeowners association restrictions. I
should also mention that the boat has a 25 gallon built-in tank. Since
I drive my Jeep by the gas station regularly anyway, it sure would be
nice if I could find a safe way to pump or siphon fuel from it into the
boat. Suggestions?
Thank-you!!

Wow, thank-you for the many helpful replies!! I realized upon reading
some of the replies that I left out some information.

I live in a community with strict covenants. ANY permanent changes
visible outside of the house require permission (I can't even cut down
a tree without obtaining approval). For that reason, some of the more
novel ideas (like the clothes-line trolley) might not be workable since
I know I would never be able to get it approved. Even the amount of
improvement of the path to the lake is limited because the community
wants to maintain the "natural look".
(PS I hate covenants like this, but that's a different issue!)

The idea about the buried hose running to a properly valved outlet on
the dock does sound convenient, but I'm not sure what are the
applicable regulations dealing with burying hose for gasoline in one's
yard. Does anyone has a pointer as to where I might look for
information on this? Somehow I have my doubts that it'd be simple to
do this in a legal way.

Also, there is no gas available on this lake (it is a small lake).

I do particularly like Tony Thomas's idea about the fuel pump. This is
something I'll consider. So long as I can ensure that I pump less fuel
than the boat will hold (i.e. with room to spare), I feel this could be
done safely and with minimal risk of spillage. I do wonder how long
this will take (i.e. what kind of flow rate I can expect). I guess I
might need to get some sort of rigid pipe to shove into the fuel tank
because the fuel filler has one of those little flaps that I think
might interfere with shoving a piece of hose into the tank.

Regarding the idea of the tank with the valve on the bottom ... heck, I
wonder if it might be possible for me to install some sort of valve
into my existing gas tank. Some aircraft engines have valves at the
bottom to be used to drain the oil during an oil change, I'd think that
has to be a pretty reliable valve (to prevent an oil leak in flight!!).
If I put the valve part of the way up the tank, then I could let it
run until it stopped (after ensuring more than adequate space available
in the boat tank) and still know that I had some gas in the Jeep to get
me back to the station.

"Arden" wrote in message
oups.com...
Wow, thank-you for the many helpful replies!! I realized upon reading
some of the replies that I left out some information.

I live in a community with strict covenants. ANY permanent changes
visible outside of the house require permission (I can't even cut down
a tree without obtaining approval). For that reason, some of the more
novel ideas (like the clothes-line trolley) might not be workable since
I know I would never be able to get it approved. Even the amount of
improvement of the path to the lake is limited because the community
wants to maintain the "natural look".
(PS I hate covenants like this, but that's a different issue!)

The idea about the buried hose running to a properly valved outlet on
the dock does sound convenient, but I'm not sure what are the
applicable regulations dealing with burying hose for gasoline in one's
yard. Does anyone has a pointer as to where I might look for
information on this? Somehow I have my doubts that it'd be simple to
do this in a legal way.

Also, there is no gas available on this lake (it is a small lake).

I do particularly like Tony Thomas's idea about the fuel pump. This is
something I'll consider. So long as I can ensure that I pump less fuel
than the boat will hold (i.e. with room to spare), I feel this could be
done safely and with minimal risk of spillage. I do wonder how long
this will take (i.e. what kind of flow rate I can expect). I guess I
might need to get some sort of rigid pipe to shove into the fuel tank
because the fuel filler has one of those little flaps that I think
might interfere with shoving a piece of hose into the tank.

Regarding the idea of the tank with the valve on the bottom ... heck, I
wonder if it might be possible for me to install some sort of valve
into my existing gas tank. Some aircraft engines have valves at the
bottom to be used to drain the oil during an oil change, I'd think that
has to be a pretty reliable valve (to prevent an oil leak in flight!!).
If I put the valve part of the way up the tank, then I could let it
run until it stopped (after ensuring more than adequate space available
in the boat tank) and still know that I had some gas in the Jeep to get
me back to the station.

My Lund has a valve for the gas with a regular and reserve position like a
motorcycle or an old volks. When it dies in regular, switch to reserve and
you have 3 gallons. Just don't forget to switch back. Don't ask how I know
that.

You would need two pickups in the tank.

How much gas do you burn that carrying it down in a wheelbarrow or a garden
cart would be such a burden?

If you are going to put the valve on your jeep, I hope it is pretty old.
Newer ones have the fuel pump in the tank.

del cecchi

del cecchi

Arden wrote in message
oups.com...

I do particularly like Tony Thomas's idea about the fuel pump. This is
something I'll consider. So long as I can ensure that I pump less fuel
than the boat will hold (i.e. with room to spare), I feel this could be
done safely and with minimal risk of spillage. I do wonder how long
this will take (i.e. what kind of flow rate I can expect).

Before trailering my Scout off to Florida last year, I decided to pump out
the gas from the tank to lighten the boat weight ( the Scout has a 100 gal
tank). I bought a cheap automotive fuel pump and some clear of that clear
tubing and connected it to where the Scout fuel line entered the fuel
filter. The pump would fill a five gallon gas container in about 3-4
minutes.

Eisboch