Popping up from exile for a moment-

There are still a handful of boaters in your group, and they might appreciate
knowing about an interesting new book just out:

"The Wreck of the William Brown.....A True Tale of Overcrowded Lifeboats and
Murder at Sea." By Tom Koch

Not read it yet, but the press teaser that McGraw Hill sent with the book
sounds fascinating.

Begins:

Seventy-one years before the loss of the Titanic, another ship sank in almost
the same spot after striking an iceberg at maximum speed. Three-quarters of the
passengers- poor, mostly Irish immigrants- were lost, including at least
fourteen who were thrown from a lifeboat to lighten it. Not a single sailor
died.

In "The Wreck of the William Brown (March 2004; Hardcover, $22.95) what begins
as a simple story of hard choices in the wake of a maritime disaster soon
becomes a narrative of politics and greed.

Its hull puncured, the William Brown was abandoned over a period of two hours.
The longboat and jollyboat, the ship's only two lifesaving craft, could hold
when overfull perhaps half the ship's passengers and crew. The rest were left
to drown.

The day after the wreck, Captain George Harris sailed his jollyboat, with a
crew of eight, to Newfoundland. The longboat, with nine crewmen and 32
passengers under the direction of first mate Francis Rhodes, was left behind.
Its rudder was damaged and it could not follow.

That night, fearing the boat would be swamped it was so full, Rhodes ordered
his men to "lighten the boat" by throwing over fourteen persons. The sailors,
including Alexander William Holmes, a 26-year-old Swedish seaman, followed
orders. The next morning, two more were dispatched. Only one sailor, John
Messer, demurred.

When the survivors finally made their way to the United States (after resuce by
a passing ship bound for Le Havre, France) Alexander William Holmes was
arrested on charges of murder, later amended to manslaughter. He was tried and
convicted the following spring after spending nine months in jail. The
attendant press over the incidents following the sinking, and the subsequent
trial of Holmes in Philadelphia in 1842 twisted the horrific events into that
of heroism and bravery, of the complex duties of sailors following orders to
save passengers from a cold and watery grave. Writes Koch "The moral of the
William Brown, and the Titanic, should be that we can make sure there are
enough lifeboats for all, and perhpas, that we can avoid the necessity of their
use. In this way, the metaphor of the lifeboat stands not as an excuse but as
an indictment of the constructions that assure the scarcity that appears to
pervade our world."

Tom Koch is a widely published writer and the author of eleven books. A
lifelong sailor, he skippers a 35-foot Beneteau sloop, the James Boswell,
throughout the Pacific Northwest. A longtime journalist, Tom Koch has worked
for or written for a range of newspapers, magazines, and broadcasters including
the CBC, UPI, and the Toronto Globe and Mail. His current appointments include
positions at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University in
Vancouver, where he is also associated with the David Lam Centre for
International Communications. He divides his time between popular writing,
academic writing on medical ethics and bioethics, and client care

Press teaser ends.

Gould 0738 wrote:

Hi chuckster good to see you:-)

Hope you come back more often, it's not too bad if you can avoid the
politcal stuff but even if you don't (let's be honest??? you can't:-))
regardless most would rather you be here than not

K


See I didn't even include a Harry lie:-)


Popping up from exile for a moment-

There are still a handful of boaters in your group, and they might appreciate
knowing about an interesting new book just out:

"The Wreck of the William Brown.....A True Tale of Overcrowded Lifeboats and
Murder at Sea." By Tom Koch

Not read it yet, but the press teaser that McGraw Hill sent with the book
sounds fascinating.

Begins:

Seventy-one years before the loss of the Titanic, another ship sank in almost
the same spot after striking an iceberg at maximum speed. Three-quarters of the
passengers- poor, mostly Irish immigrants- were lost, including at least
fourteen who were thrown from a lifeboat to lighten it. Not a single sailor
died.

In "The Wreck of the William Brown (March 2004; Hardcover, $22.95) what begins
as a simple story of hard choices in the wake of a maritime disaster soon
becomes a narrative of politics and greed.

Its hull puncured, the William Brown was abandoned over a period of two hours.
The longboat and jollyboat, the ship's only two lifesaving craft, could hold
when overfull perhaps half the ship's passengers and crew. The rest were left
to drown.

The day after the wreck, Captain George Harris sailed his jollyboat, with a
crew of eight, to Newfoundland. The longboat, with nine crewmen and 32
passengers under the direction of first mate Francis Rhodes, was left behind.
Its rudder was damaged and it could not follow.

That night, fearing the boat would be swamped it was so full, Rhodes ordered
his men to "lighten the boat" by throwing over fourteen persons. The sailors,
including Alexander William Holmes, a 26-year-old Swedish seaman, followed
orders. The next morning, two more were dispatched. Only one sailor, John
Messer, demurred.

When the survivors finally made their way to the United States (after resuce by
a passing ship bound for Le Havre, France) Alexander William Holmes was
arrested on charges of murder, later amended to manslaughter. He was tried and
convicted the following spring after spending nine months in jail. The
attendant press over the incidents following the sinking, and the subsequent
trial of Holmes in Philadelphia in 1842 twisted the horrific events into that
of heroism and bravery, of the complex duties of sailors following orders to
save passengers from a cold and watery grave. Writes Koch "The moral of the
William Brown, and the Titanic, should be that we can make sure there are
enough lifeboats for all, and perhpas, that we can avoid the necessity of their
use. In this way, the metaphor of the lifeboat stands not as an excuse but as
an indictment of the constructions that assure the scarcity that appears to
pervade our world."

Tom Koch is a widely published writer and the author of eleven books. A
lifelong sailor, he skippers a 35-foot Beneteau sloop, the James Boswell,
throughout the Pacific Northwest. A longtime journalist, Tom Koch has worked
for or written for a range of newspapers, magazines, and broadcasters including
the CBC, UPI, and the Toronto Globe and Mail. His current appointments include
positions at the University of British Columbia and Simon Fraser University in
Vancouver, where he is also associated with the David Lam Centre for
International Communications. He divides his time between popular writing,
academic writing on medical ethics and bioethics, and client care

Press teaser ends.

K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:46:02 +1000, "K. Smith" wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."

He's a friggin' hero!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"K. Smith" wrote in message ...
Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."


Can you PROVE them false? Yes or no. If yes, please provide verifiable
details. If no, shut up.

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:33:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."




Which one of these statements can you *prove* false, Ms. Crap-for-Brains?


LOL.. Which one can *you* prove true?

I guess the burden is now on b'asskisser to *prove* he's not a pot head.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

I can prove that you change your stance on issues depending upon if you feel
you can profit from it. A short period ago you were against anyone buying
Japanese products because the Japanese committed atrocities during world war
II. After 3 years you suddenly decide to buy a Japanese truck and outboard.

Seems like it must be about time for you to endorse Bush.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.7325f53c3aa3079114a8824f1c0aee54@108 1262433.nulluser.com...
K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."




Which one of these statements can you *prove* false, Ms. Crap-for-Brains?

Here's an easier one for you, booty-breath...*prove* you are in the
business of manufacturing diesel outboard motors, as you have claimed
here many times. And by manufacturing, I mean produce on a meaningful
scale, not slam someone else's diesel onto a kitbashed lower unit and
then claim you build diesel outboards.

From his inability to follow a train of thought, I think he has proven to
the world he is a pothead.


"John H" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:33:53 GMT, WaIIy wrote:

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT), "Harry Krause"
wrote:

K. Smith wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."




Which one of these statements can you *prove* false, Ms.
Crap-for-Brains?


LOL.. Which one can *you* prove true?

I guess the burden is now on b'asskisser to *prove* he's not a pot head.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

The last thing Harry needs is to have you stand up for him, he has enough
problems already.


"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"K. Smith" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote:


Nothing of consequence, as usual.

Yeah guess you're right you lying piece of socialist crap, so here's
some more of your lies;

Just a few more of the liar Harry's false claims, in his own words of
course:-)


"Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have.
Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice.
Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have.
Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have.
Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have.
Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat
under your command? I have."


Can you PROVE them false? Yes or no. If yes, please provide verifiable
details. If no, shut up.