Come on Harry,,, once again you tried to correct my spelling,,, lets look at
what you said,,,

"'''''Perhap, Tuuks, you ought to post here in your first language, whatever
it is. It obviously is not English."'''''


Ok, your right, English is not my primary language,, but if I were to
criticize someone in regards to their spelling or grammar, I would try to
make my criticism free from grammar errors and spelling errors. So, that
being said, lets look at what you said. Remember, you are correcting me
here.

"'''Perhap"''' Now, wait, I am going to check this, because I do not think
it is a word,,

Ok,, Harry,,, You ****ing moron,, according to www.websters.com this word
you used to correct me is not recognized by them. They have some suggestions
but the word you used "Perhap" is not a word, so I have to ask you if
English is your first language, you ****ing moron (and you deserve that
invective insult).

""''Tuuks"'"

Come on Harry, My name is Tuuk, has anyone called you Harrys ? or Dougs? in
the same context? Come on you morons,,, Give your heads a shake....


""'''you ought to post here in your first language, whatever
it is. It obviously is not English."''''''

Come on Harry, it appears that English is obviously not your first
language,, is that a correct accusation? Besides, if I posted in my first
language, your computer wouldn't have the fonts to understand it, and you, I
guarantee you do not know one single word of my primary language. Sorry
Harry and Doug,,, Both you morons deserve this one,, I remove my glove and
slap your face,, and suggest that you both,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, GIVE YOUR
HEADS A SHAKE,,,,,






"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.5e9e0167745d0ac9c7b8abaa6334cbbe@108 3767527.nulluser.com...
Tuuk wrote:

Come on Doug, well but reading our other posts this morning, this one
expresses you as smart.

Perhap, Tuuks, you ought to post here in your first language, whatever
it is. It obviously is not English.

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Stick to the point boys,,,
my advice to this caller was to start with a small boat, then when
mastered,
move up. This could save his life.
Answer to your question there Doug,,, no I have not boated in that area,
BUT, you moron, if you are familiar with that area, you should provide the
caller with advice as if he is a rookie, then maybe he should go in that
area, this advice could save his life. BUT, no, you would rather point
out
my spelling mistakes. So,, lets look at what you morons said,,,

1) Humor trumps bad advice.

2) A "runabout" would be dangerous in the waters he's talking about, unless
he intends to remain in small bays at all times.

Boat dealers just love the advice:

"Start with a 16-footer, and then move up two feet per year as you gain
experience."

Horsefeathers.

Unless you are *completely* clueless about what you want to do with the boat,
where you want to use it, how many people will ordinarily be aboard, etc,
that's very bad and expensive advice.

Get a boat that suits your needs and, at the very beginning, learn to operate
it properly. That may even involve hiring somebody to teach you, one on one.
Yes, the CG Aux and the Power Squadron courses are fine......but they won't
teach you how to operate your boat. In some of those organizations, a person
can become
a high level instructor with no requirement that ever, even once in a lifetime,
did they set foot on an actual boat. Theory is good, and the safety stuff
doesn't require boating experience to pass along in a basic form.
Don't skip the course work, but don't even thinik it will begin to prepare you
to handle a larger boat than you start off with.

You're more likely to have a "bad experience" that turns you off from boating
by going out in an undersized boat than in
getting a boat that is actually suitable for your needs to begin with (and
taking the time to learn to run it before you just head out to sea).

Running a 16-foot boat for a year or so does a wonderful job of training
you....to run a 16-foot boat.

There is always a learning curve when you step up in size. Might as well run up
that curve for a boat that actually suits your needs.

On Wed, 5 May 2004 12:18:59 -0400, " Tuuk"
wrote:

Come on Harry,,, once again you tried to correct my spelling,,, lets look at
what you said,,,

"'''''Perhap, Tuuks, you ought to post here in your first language, whatever
it is. It obviously is not English."'''''

Off Topic: Contrary to isolationist beliefs, Usenet is actually
global. For the challenged, that means that people from all over the
world read and post. In a group like rec.boats, that means that there
is even less relevance for random posts about politics.

Before someone bothers to attack instead of being constructive,
English is not my first language either nor have I bothered to run
spell check. I am sure the point of my post will come across fairly
clearly. Whether reading comprehension skills are necessary on the
receiving end is debatable, although hopefully not on rec.boats.

On Topic: Starting small and moving up is good advice for boating
anywhere. If the location is too dangerous for learning on a smaller
boat, then starting with a larger one will not aid the learning
process. If it is too dangerous to do it any other way, then maybe,
it would be best to learn somewhere else first and then move to the
body of water of interest in a reasonably sized boat once more
experience has been gained.

The other option would be to buy the larger vessel and hire a
professional captain or at least have a friend teach you the ropes.
Like it has been stated, the problem with this approach is that
mistakes will be costly. A lot can go wrong quickly and can catch
someone completely off guard. The point of boating is to have fun,
nobody is going to have fun when they are worried all the time of
causing damage to property or others.

With either option, reading from experienced people can be useful too.
Getting a copy of a book like Chapman Piloting & Seamanship would be
useful. At around $35, it will be far cheaper than buying the wrong
type of boat or causing damage to the boat. There are tons of issues
in boating besides just plain buying, running and maintenance. This
book will at least mention most of the crucial things to know.

Good luck in your search for a boat.

On 5/5/2004 10:07 AM, Harry Krause wrote:

basskisser wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message ...

I had a wonderful time as a kid with 12-14' Penn Yans and Wolverines
powered by 15/18 hp evinrudes, on the connecticut side of the sound.

Spent the first years of my life close to Penn Yan, NY., where the boats are made.


Ahh. My father gave me two Penn Yans to use during two successive
summers. I loved the boats. Both had hulls of wood strips covered with
some sort of canvas. The decks, seats and interiors were varnished wood.
Round chines, soft ride, really pretty, classic-looking little boats. He
was a Penn Yan dealer for many years, but dropped the boats in the late
1950s. Kept selling the canoes, though.

My family has a 8' 1942 Penn Yan on the stern of our Chris. Wonderful
rowing dingy.

Unfortunately, the guy in the slip across from ours stalled while
reversing, forgot to put her in neutral before restarting, lost control
(guess what brand of boat...), and smacked directly into our Penn Yan.
The dingy took the brunt of the hit (cracked the keel and broke a bunch
of ribs) and saved the Chris' transom.

Check out the "crunched" series at
http://home.comcast.net/~galmgren/chris-craft/

We're hoping that we can find someone to salvage it, since it's doubtful
we could find a replacement for a decent price.

--
~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat"
"There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing about in boats."
-Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows

" Tuuk" wrote in message
...
Hey, your right there Harry, I do speak many languages and I english is
not
my primary speaking language. So what is your point? How many languages to
you speak? I speak a few Asian languages, read and write them comfortably,
french, english, and I also know the international morse code at around 25
wpm. So, lets here your list of languages you can speak.

Tuuk,
That is a silly question to ask the king of bull****. He will tell you he
has mastered every language known to mankind. Anyone who would make up a
story about his wife being a doctor, because he was too embarrassed to admit
she was a social worker, will make up any story to boost his weak ego.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:c3dhc2g=.12bc3cbe1b1e2261fa3a396911343edb@108 3777000.nulluser.com...
Tuuk wrote:


"''''"' Perhap, Tuuks, you ought to post here in your first language,
whatever
it is. It obviously is not English."'"''''


Hey, your right there Harry, I do speak many languages and I english
is not
my primary speaking language. So what is your point? How many languages
to
you speak?

Several.

Yeah right, tell us about your mastery of several languages.

an oldtown canoe with a 1.5 eska motor. if you can run it for a day
without capsizing.. YOur ready for anything

On Mon, 03 May 2004 23:46:37 GMT, "David" wrote:

I plan on buying a power boat within the year and will be using it on Long
Island Sound. What's a good size that can be easily handled by 1 person?

In article ,
(Gould 0738) wrote:


Seeing how the new boater might be considering the legitimate posts, I'd
like to address this post.


Boat dealers just love the advice:

"Start with a 16-footer, and then move up two feet per year as you gain
experience."

Horsefeathers.

Unless you are *completely* clueless about what you want to do with the boat,
where you want to use it, how many people will ordinarily be aboard, etc,
that's very bad and expensive advice.


Okay, I don't argue with being able to start with a larger boat, nor do I
think an individual can only move up two feet per year. But I don't
necessarily think that's a bad general statement for somone you don't know
anything about.

Also, most people who have never owned a boat, ARE completely clueless.
Granted they may have ideas of the "whats and wheres" of their boating
desires, but my guess is most are unaware of the practicality or logistics
of fulfilling those desires. That's not just handling experience, but the
costs of insurance, fuel, dockage, and maintenance as well. How can you
expect someone who hasn't owned a boat to be completely aware of this?

How is blindly telling a would be boater to get a larger boat, only for
them to find out the hard way they are too intimidated by its size to
operate it, or cannot afford the necessities the boat need to be utilized,
less of a disservice than putting them in too small of a boat?

Get a boat that suits your needs and, at the very beginning, learn to operate
it properly. That may even involve hiring somebody to teach you, one on one.
Yes, the CG Aux and the Power Squadron courses are fine......but they won't
teach you how to operate your boat. In some of those organizations, a person
can become
a high level instructor with no requirement that ever, even once in a
lifetime,
did they set foot on an actual boat. Theory is good, and the safety stuff
doesn't require boating experience to pass along in a basic form.
Don't skip the course work, but don't even thinik it will begin to prepare you
to handle a larger boat than you start off with.


Providing you truly know what your needs are, and those needs are
reasonable (this is not always the case), I cannot disagree here. I also
agree there is a differnece between boating theory and boating practice.
I think that is the very reason why people will tell first time boaters to
get into a smaller boat. The theories are the same regardless of size,
the practice is usually easier on the smaller vessel.


You're more likely to have a "bad experience" that turns you off from boating
by going out in an undersized boat than in
getting a boat that is actually suitable for your needs to begin with (and
taking the time to learn to run it before you just head out to sea).


Bad experiences happen not just at sea, but in the harbors too. Yes a
person can be turned off from boating in an undersized boat in rough
conditions, but I've heard of just as many , if not more, people who were
turned off because they were scared ****tless trying to dock their new big
boat when conditions turned. Docking the smaller boat would have
presented less of a problem under the same circumstances.


Running a 16-foot boat for a year or so does a wonderful job of training
you....to run a 16-foot boat.


This is as you would say, "Horsefeathers". IMHO, running a 16 foot boat
allows to apply boating theory, and gain boating experience at a faster
rate, with reduced risk, and reduced ancillary costs than with say
stepping into a 28 foot cruiser.

There is always a learning curve when you step up in size. Might as well
run up
that curve for a boat that actually suits your needs.

In theory trying to get the boat that willbest suit your needs is always
sound advice. In practice, if a new boater wants to sleep his family
aboard and accomodate larger groups of people, as the original poster
stated, then they might have to compromise their "needs" with the
practicality of owning such a boat with limited experience and/or budget.

Your points aren't necessarily bad, but they are one sided. Remember, on
any given nice weekend the marinas are full of big shiny new boats,
chained to the dock because their skipper had, or has, too few resources
(crew, money) and/or too steep of a learning curve to overcome.

Bob Dimond

How is blindly telling a would be boater to get a larger boat,

I wouldn't begin to know.

What I said was:

Get a boat that suits your needs and, at the very beginning, learn to
operate
it properly. That may even involve hiring somebody to teach you, one on
one.

Several of the folks screeching that you *must* start small and work up have
cited "safety" as an issue.

Maybe it's different in my state, but boating deaths go up exponentially the
further one gets down below 20 feet LOA.

I'm personally aware of scores of first-time boaters who had very successful
experiences with boats as large as a 63-foot Hatteras. In every case, the
people got some extensive one-on-one training.

We can agree that it is complete idiocy to be out and about on a boat you are
not prepared to handle. We apparently disagree that it is possible for that
*first* boat to something other than a tiny little runabout.