Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor
Bush 46, Kerry 41, Nader 5, Not sure 7

All these polls have the two candidates very close so they
basically show it as a 50/50 race. Also, it's still very early
in the season when you consider that many of the
voters that are still open to changing their minds won't
even start paying attention until September. Plus many
events could swing things either way.

Here's another way (not very scientific and only looking
as popular vote and not the Electoral College votes) of
looking at the situation:

-- In the 2000 election the popular vote was very closely
split between Gore & Bush.

-- It seems to me that many people are much more energized
about getting Bush & Co out. So many more may well vote
to get him out.

-- Yes, Bush's staunch supporters will stay with him. But has
he really done anything that will get MORE of his people
energized or get MORE NEW people out to vote for
him??

On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:05:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Bush 46, Kerry 41,
Nader 5, Not sure 7

Perhaps:

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html

Zogby is an Arab-American. He may be a wee bit biased, no?


"thunder" wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:05:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Bush 46, Kerry 41,
Nader 5, Not sure 7

Perhaps:

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
Zogby is an Arab-American. He may be a wee bit biased, no?

Isn't his brother on the Dem's national Committee?



"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:05:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Bush 46, Kerry 41,
Nader 5, Not sure 7

Perhaps:

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
Zogby is an Arab-American. He may be a wee bit biased, no?

Isn't his brother on the Dem's national Committee?

Yes. Here's a bio on his brother:

James J. Zogby is founder and president of the Arab American Institute.
Since 1985, he has led AAI's efforts to secure Arab American political
empowerment.

He hosts "A Capital View," a weekly TV-call in program, broadcast by the
Arab Network of America and simulcast by the Middle East Broadcasting
Company, a London-based TV network..


Since 1992, Zogby has written "Washington Watch," a weekly column on U.S.
politics for the major newspapers of the Arab world.


A lecturer and scholar on Middle East issues, U.S.-Arab relations, and the
history of the Arab American community, Zogby frequently appears as a guest
on major network TV and radio programs.


Zogby has been active in U.S. politics for many years. In 1994, he was
appointed to the Democratic National Committee, and in September 1999, he
was named to its Executive Committee. In 1995, he was named co-convener of
the National Democratic Ethnic Coordinating Committee, a group of Democratic
Party leaers of European and Mediterrean descent.


1984, he was vice-chairman and deputy campaign manager for the Jesse Jackson
for President Campaign and introduced Jackson's name for nomination at the
1984 Democratic National Convention.


In 1988, as a member of the Democratic Party's National Platform Committee,
he led the first debate on Palestinian rights at the Democratic National
Convention in Atlanta.


The policy side of Zogby's work has been no less significant.


In 1986, he co-authored "The Politics of Exclusion," a study of
discrimination against Arab Americans in U.S. politics. The study formed the
basis for a decade-long effort to end such discrimination.


In 1991, Zogby authored a Middle East peace proposal, which was endorsed by
the foreign ministers of Tunisia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the Palestine
Liberation Organization.


He also co-authored "Arab American Merchants and the Crisis of the Inner
City; Cleveland: A Case Study" (1995) and "The Department of Justice and the
Civil Rights of Arab Americans (1998), both of which were instrumental in
addressing and remedying critical civil rights concerns of Arab Americans.


In 1998, Zogby participated in the White House Conference on Hate Crimes. He
currently is a member of the advisory council of the National Center for
Hate Crime Prevention.


For the past two decades, Zogby has been involved in a range of Arab
American issues. He was a co-founder and chairman of the Palestine Human
Rights Campaign in the late 1970s. In 1980, he co-founded the American-Arab
Anti-Discrimination Committee and served as executive director until 1984.


In 1982, he co-founded Save Lebanon Inc, a humanitarian relief organization
that provides health care funds for victims of war in Lebanon.


Zogby is a board member of Middle East Watch, a human rights organization,
and a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.


He received a doctorate in religion Temple University in 1975 and a bachelor
of arts from Le Moyne College. Le Moyne named him outstanding alumnus in
1997 and awarded him an honorary doctorate in 1997.


Zogby is married to Eileen Patricia McMahon and has five children.

Gary Warner wrote:
All these polls have the two candidates very close so they
basically show it as a 50/50 race. Also, it's still very early
in the season when you consider that many of the
voters that are still open to changing their minds won't
even start paying attention until September. Plus many
events could swing things either way.

Here's another way (not very scientific and only looking
as popular vote and not the Electoral College votes) of
looking at the situation:

-- In the 2000 election the popular vote was very closely
split between Gore & Bush.

-- It seems to me that many people are much more energized
about getting Bush & Co out. So many more may well vote
to get him out.

-- Yes, Bush's staunch supporters will stay with him. But has
he really done anything that will get MORE of his people
energized or get MORE NEW people out to vote for
him??




What's most interesting about these polls is that Bush, arguably a
popular if not accomplished POTUS, is doing so poorly compared to an
Eastern establishment pol who is cerebral and complex.

NOYB wrote:

Zogby is an Arab-American. He may be a wee bit biased, no?


"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:05:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Bush 46, Kerry 41,
Nader 5, Not sure 7

Perhaps:

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html




Sheesh. Zogby is an honest pollster, an interesting fellow, and
Republican-leaning. No one questions his integrity...no one except a
BushLemming like you.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

Zogby is an Arab-American. He may be a wee bit biased, no?


"thunder" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:05:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:


Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Bush 46, Kerry 41,
Nader 5, Not sure 7

Perhaps:

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html




Sheesh. Zogby is an honest pollster, an interesting fellow, and
Republican-leaning. No one questions his integrity...no one except a
BushLemming like you.

Zogby has gone from the darling of the polling industry to being nothing
more than a Democratic schill. He used to be able to predict the numbers
but, his political bias towards the left has clouded his judgement in the
last six years.

Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

NOYB wrote:


Zogby is an Arab-American. He may be a wee bit biased, no?


"thunder" wrote in message
news

On Wed, 12 May 2004 19:05:42 +0000, NOYB wrote:



Perhaps America's long nightmare with G.W. Bush is coming to an end.

Perhaps not:

CNN/USA Today/Gallup
Bush 47, Kerry 45, Nader 5, None/No opinion 3

Investors Business Daily/Christian Science Monitor Bush 46, Kerry 41,
Nader 5, Not sure 7

Perhaps:

http://www.zogby.com/news/051004.html




Sheesh. Zogby is an honest pollster, an interesting fellow, and
Republican-leaning. No one questions his integrity...no one except a
BushLemming like you.


Zogby has gone from the darling of the polling industry to being nothing
more than a Democratic schill. He used to be able to predict the numbers
but, his political bias towards the left has clouded his judgement in the
last six years.



Oh, sure...Bert...right...as if you would have a clue.