DSK,

Is DSK your legal name or just one your friends call you?

PS - I do not think doctors are dentists are the same thing. I believe
dentists are a subset of "doctors", the same way a dermatologist, surgeon
and psychiatrist are subsets of "doctors". Just in case Harry is reading
this post, I do not believe a social worker qualifies as a subset of
"doctors". ; )


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Newsgroup Reader wrote:
Duke,
I would not write off Sea Ray from your short list. I would suggest you
place very little credence in any articles you read in any of the boating
magazines that sell ads from the boat builders.

I'd also suggest placing very little credence in people who don't give
their name and who insist that dentists are the same as doctors.

DSK

I find it interesting that David Pascoe is just on ONE boat. One boat does
not fairly represent the whole line of boats by that manufacturer. So in MY
OPINION, I give Pascoe website very little consideration. Now if he had
documented cases of several Sea Rays like that, then it might hold some
weight.

Ed
wrote in message
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Neither David Pascoe's web site or the fluff pieces written by you and
other
boat magazine accurately represent the quality of SeaRay. At least
David
Pascoe's web site accurately represents the boat he surveyed. The
fluff
pieces written by you and others are PR pieces written for the benefit
of
the builder, the last person they are written for is the prospective
boat
buyer. Since the boat buyer is not paying you for your fluff piece
they are
not important.

***************

?????????

I never submitted anything I ever wrote as a rebuttal to Larry's
insinuation that Sea Ray boats are made from "putty".

Do you have a comment on the actual evidence I submitted, (the website
showing photos of a Sea Ray layup and a description of the mfg
process), or is that also suspect because it appeared in print?

And while you're at it, oh wise one, please don't leave us dangling: If
you're in a position to dispute Pascoe's site as well as the European
article about Sea Ray layup schedules- please do so. Speak right up, no
need to keep it a secret.
Here's your opportunity to walk the walk, not just talk the
talk:_______________

By the way, Pascoe does not claim that his items are "sureys". He
admits they are very negatively oriented opinion pieces. He has stated
that it is his mission to attemprt to "balance" any and all positive
opinion pieces. Try reading the introduction to his site sometime.

Newsgroup Reader wrote:
DSK,

Is DSK your legal name or just one your friends call you?

It's a lot closer to my name than "Newsgroup Reader" is to yours.



PS - I do not think doctors are dentists are the same thing. I believe
dentists are a subset of "doctors", the same way a dermatologist, surgeon
and psychiatrist are subsets of "doctors".

Really? Massage therapists too? How about Ph.Ds?

Here's a clue, although i suspect you will leap nimbly out of it's way:
take a good look at the years of school & training required to become a
dermatologist, a surgeon, a psychiatrist, or for that matter an
opthalmologist... take a look at the entry requirements for the schools,
and at how many are turned away...

Now look at dental schools... gee how many years of residency are
required? How many hunreds of applicants are turned away from dental
school, and what is their average MCAT score? Oh wait, you don't even
have to take MCATs do you??

Does that tell you something?

DSK

Newsgroup reader:

You have neatly dodged my invitation to explain to the group how Sea
Ray hulls are laid up.
You agree that Pascoe's site is bogus, and yet you seem to discount the
independent web site as equally inaccurate. You offer some vague
observation that the truth is somehwere "in between".

Layup is a technical issue that can be precisely described. If Pascoe
is not accurate and you insist the technical website is not acuurate,
would you please enlighten us about the actual layup process and
schedule? Failure to do so would leave us all with the impression that
you are talking through that hat you bought at West Marine- the one
with all the scrambled eggs on the visor and "Captain" stitched into
the crown.

DSK,

If I changed my name to RMH would that make my post as valued as yours?

Since you refuse to believe Harvard University or the hundreds of other
schools when they say dentists are doctors, how about a unbiased source
such as the Metropolitan Chicago Healthcare Council.
http://www.mchc.org/hcg/Dentist.asp

I do not believe anything I say or anything anyone in the filed of medicine
says will change your mind so this is really a moot discussion.


"DSK" wrote in message
...
Newsgroup Reader wrote:
DSK,

Is DSK your legal name or just one your friends call you?

It's a lot closer to my name than "Newsgroup Reader" is to yours.



PS - I do not think doctors are dentists are the same thing. I believe
dentists are a subset of "doctors", the same way a dermatologist, surgeon
and psychiatrist are subsets of "doctors".

Really? Massage therapists too? How about Ph.Ds?

Here's a clue, although i suspect you will leap nimbly out of it's way:
take a good look at the years of school & training required to become a
dermatologist, a surgeon, a psychiatrist, or for that matter an
opthalmologist... take a look at the entry requirements for the schools,
and at how many are turned away...

Now look at dental schools... gee how many years of residency are
required? How many hunreds of applicants are turned away from dental
school, and what is their average MCAT score? Oh wait, you don't even have
to take MCATs do you??

Does that tell you something?

DSK

wrote in message
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Newsgroup reader:

You have neatly dodged my invitation to explain to the group how Sea
Ray hulls are laid up.
You agree that Pascoe's site is bogus, and yet you seem to discount the
independent web site as equally inaccurate. You offer some vague
observation that the truth is somehwere "in between".

Layup is a technical issue that can be precisely described. If Pascoe
is not accurate and you insist the technical website is not acuurate,
would you please enlighten us about the actual layup process and
schedule? Failure to do so would leave us all with the impression that
you are talking through that hat you bought at West Marine- the one
with all the scrambled eggs on the visor and "Captain" stitched into
the crown.


Why the need for a personal attack on him Chuck? And you blame others for
doing exactly what *you* do. Amazing.

*JimH* wrote:
Why the need for a personal attack on him Chuck?

Why is asking for further explanation considered a "personal attack"?

DSK

Gould,
In the two web sites your provided I learned that Sea Ray use robots to
spray chopped strand fiberglass into the molds. I could not find on either
of the web sites you provided anything that came close to resembling a
technical layout schedule. I did not see anything that discussed the
thickness of the gel coat or the thickness of chopped fiberglass strand,
including minimum and maximum thickness between the high stress areas and
the low stress areas. I did not see anything that discuss how much time
they allow for the gel coat to cure or the fiberglass to cure between each
step. I did not see anything that discussed the ratio of fiberglass to
epoxy nor the relative strength characteristics of this cost saving
technique versus the traditional methods of laying fiberglass hulls. I did
see two web sites selling the benefits of their products, without providing
the technical layout schedule.

I did think it was very humorous that you thought the advertisement
published by the company who sold SeaRay the robots to "an independent web
site".



wrote in message
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Newsgroup reader:

You have neatly dodged my invitation to explain to the group how Sea
Ray hulls are laid up.
You agree that Pascoe's site is bogus, and yet you seem to discount the
independent web site as equally inaccurate. You offer some vague
observation that the truth is somehwere "in between".

Layup is a technical issue that can be precisely described. If Pascoe
is not accurate and you insist the technical website is not acuurate,
would you please enlighten us about the actual layup process and
schedule? Failure to do so would leave us all with the impression that
you are talking through that hat you bought at West Marine- the one
with all the scrambled eggs on the visor and "Captain" stitched into
the crown.

Smithers wrote:

Gould,
In the two web sites your provided I learned that Sea Ray use robots to

spray chopped strand fiberglass into the molds. I could not find on
either
of the web sites you provided anything that came close to resembling a
technical layout schedule. I did not see anything that discussed the
thickness of the gel coat or the thickness of chopped fiberglass
strand,
including minimum and maximum thickness between the high stress areas
and
the low stress areas. I did not see anything that discuss how much
time
they allow for the gel coat to cure or the fiberglass to cure between
each
step. I did not see anything that discussed the ratio of fiberglass to

epoxy nor the relative strength characteristics of this cost saving
technique versus the traditional methods of laying fiberglass hulls. I
did
see two web sites selling the benefits of their products, without
providing
the technical layout schedule.

*************

Yet you claim sufficient knowledge to be able to dismiss both Larry's
malicious slam and the general description of the layup process on the
non- Sea Ray site as equally misleading. Once you got past the false
notion that I was using one of my own articles to support my argument,
you then claimed the truth is "somewhere in between."

Once again, why not allow the group the benefit of your detailed and
precise knowledge about Sea Ray layup? Just exactly *where*, in
between, does the "truth" fall? Surely you must know, or you wouldn't
presume to make such a statement.

It's amazing that you choose to believe that a company responsible for
supplying robotics to Sea Ray wouldn't be able to accurately describe
how those robots function and what they do.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and conjecture.

Chuck,
You have absolutely no idea what the technical layout schedule for SeaRay
is. You have provided absolutely no information except advertisements from
SeaRay and the robot supplier, yet you think you have provided valuable
info. Larry's info was based upon personal info, yours is based upon public
relations bull****.

I do believe the company who built the robots can describe what they are
capable of doing, and they did a good job of doing that. They did not nor
did SeaRay discuss any details concerning their technical fiberglass lay-up.
The fact that you think either of those web sites did either, places any of
your observations in questions..

The one thing everyone who has ever read your boat "reviews" or observations
agrees upon is they are well written fluff pieces designed to sell ad space
in your magazine. I don't think anyone has ever thought they were anything
else. You have become delusional in your thought process.


wrote in message
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Smithers wrote:

Gould,
In the two web sites your provided I learned that Sea Ray use robots to

spray chopped strand fiberglass into the molds. I could not find on
either
of the web sites you provided anything that came close to resembling a
technical layout schedule. I did not see anything that discussed the
thickness of the gel coat or the thickness of chopped fiberglass
strand,
including minimum and maximum thickness between the high stress areas
and
the low stress areas. I did not see anything that discuss how much
time
they allow for the gel coat to cure or the fiberglass to cure between
each
step. I did not see anything that discussed the ratio of fiberglass to

epoxy nor the relative strength characteristics of this cost saving
technique versus the traditional methods of laying fiberglass hulls. I
did
see two web sites selling the benefits of their products, without
providing
the technical layout schedule.

*************

Yet you claim sufficient knowledge to be able to dismiss both Larry's
malicious slam and the general description of the layup process on the
non- Sea Ray site as equally misleading. Once you got past the false
notion that I was using one of my own articles to support my argument,
you then claimed the truth is "somewhere in between."

Once again, why not allow the group the benefit of your detailed and
precise knowledge about Sea Ray layup? Just exactly *where*, in
between, does the "truth" fall? Surely you must know, or you wouldn't
presume to make such a statement.

It's amazing that you choose to believe that a company responsible for
supplying robotics to Sea Ray wouldn't be able to accurately describe
how those robots function and what they do.
Oh well. You're entitled to your opinion and conjecture.