On 28 Jun 2005 05:09:01 -0700, wrote:

Unless the vessel crossing the channel had dayshapes up for Not Under
Command. If she had perhaps a rudder casualty.

Granted the guy/gal was probably just a bone head. But nothing much has
een said about any dayshapses, lights or audible signals that were or
were not present.

I haven't seen a dayshape on any tug, fishing vessel or bouy tender in
years - like almost 25 or so and I travel through some of the most
heavily traveled areas in the world. :)

What Matt eventually detailed was a bone head maneuver on the part of
a tour boat operator who had pudding for brains.

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First, the only time the term right of way is used in the Navigation
Rules,
is in regards to a vessel coming down a river.
Pleasure craft don't have to yield to commercial craft.
Everyone has to avoid a collision.

************

That statement is so broad as to be misleading. It's almost as loose as
"sail always has the right of way over power."

Without looking up the exact number of the Col Reg, there's an
important one that says "no vessel under..... (about 65
feet....20meters?) and no vessel under sail......(regardless if it's a
150-footer)....shall impede any vessel following a VTS channel." As any
boat can follow the VTS if it so chooses, this reg "could" be stretched
to say that any vessel under sail must yield to any vessel under power
in the VTS- but it never is. In most situations where it could be an
issue, "pleasure boats" under 65 feet and all boats under sail
regardless of LOA must stay out of the way of commercial vessels.

You did the correct thing by backing off. No point being "dead right".


Agreed. Unfortunately the waterways are full of dick-heads who do not know
the right-of-way rules or who just don't care. You have to look out for
yourself and not let these knuckle-draggers spoil your boating fun. Although
by god there are times I really wish I had some small torpedos on board!

--
Peter Aitken

wrote:
First, the only time the term right of way is used in the Navigation
Rules,
is in regards to a vessel coming down a river.
Pleasure craft don't have to yield to commercial craft.
Everyone has to avoid a collision.

************

That statement is so broad as to be misleading. It's almost as loose as
"sail always has the right of way over power."

Without looking up the exact number of the Col Reg, there's an
important one that says "no vessel under..... (about 65
feet....20meters?) and no vessel under sail......(regardless if it's a
150-footer)....shall impede any vessel following a VTS channel." As any
boat can follow the VTS if it so chooses, this reg "could" be stretched
to say that any vessel under sail must yield to any vessel under power
in the VTS- but it never is. In most situations where it could be an
issue, "pleasure boats" under 65 feet and all boats under sail
regardless of LOA must stay out of the way of commercial vessels.

You did the correct thing by backing off. No point being "dead right".


I wonder if you could send a written complaint, listing all details, to
some authority? (Coast Guard maybe)

are you sure? I read that commercial vessels always have the right of
way over pleasure crafts... i.e. a tanker wont stop to let a 19 ft
boat from the right go by

Matt

Commercial isn't the keyword. Many pleasure craft are larger than commercial
vessels; think about fishing boats.
A tanker is more than a commercial vessel; it's big and may be constrained
in it's ability to move: a small boat must stay clear.

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are you sure? I read that commercial vessels always have the right of
way over pleasure crafts... i.e. a tanker wont stop to let a 19 ft
boat from the right go by

Matt

Since the typical recreational boater can't tell the difference between
day shapes for "RAM", "Not Under Command", and "Mistress stay away the
wife is onboard". It is generally best for them to assume they are the
give way vessel. Particularly with regards to craft which are larger
and/or may have more difficulty in manuvering. It may be that this
particular Whale Watch boat was bending the rules. But if he had used
sound signal to indicate that he intended to leave you on his Starboard
Side. Would the OP have recognized it and known what to do. Would the
average recreational boater have known what to do?

He didnt leave me on any side. He went HEAD ON.

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:39:14 -0700, "William Andersen"
wrote:

First, the only time the term right of way is used in the Navigation Rules,
is in regards to a vessel coming down a river.
Pleasure craft don't have to yield to commercial craft.

Not true. There is no distinction between "commercial" and pleasure.
There is a distinction between fishing, size and/or maneuverability
with respect to other vessels.

We really don't have enough information on this because Matt didn't
specify if he was upbound and downbound as specified in Inland Rule
#14.

Inland Rule 9(d) covers this, but it's kind of iffy based on Matt's
information.

Inland Rule 10 also might apply. If Matt was in a recognized Traffic
Separation Scheme - your side, my side kind of thing- then the turn
may have been entirely legal, but it appears to be unlikely.

Everyone has to avoid a collision.

International Rule 7 and 8 - exactly right.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:01:48 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:39:14 -0700, "William Andersen"
wrote:

First, the only time the term right of way is used in the Navigation Rules,
is in regards to a vessel coming down a river.
Pleasure craft don't have to yield to commercial craft.

Not true. There is no distinction between "commercial" and pleasure.
There is a distinction between fishing, size and/or maneuverability
with respect to other vessels.

We really don't have enough information on this because Matt didn't
specify if he was upbound and downbound as specified in Inland Rule
#14.

Inland Rule 9(d) covers this, but it's kind of iffy based on Matt's
information.

Inland Rule 10 also might apply. If Matt was in a recognized Traffic
Separation Scheme - your side, my side kind of thing- then the turn
may have been entirely legal, but it appears to be unlikely.

Everyone has to avoid a collision.

International Rule 7 and 8 - exactly right.

Whoops - International/Inland rule 7 and 8. My bad.

My opinion -- I always say..BIGGER boats always have the right of way!! Just
kidding. I think everyone should try and avoid any collision!!

--
Bill & Debbie
04 -- Yam TTR125 (Electric Start)
04 -- Honda XR400
04 -- Honda XR150
04 -- Honda CRF50 04 & 05 (Grandkids)
"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:01:48 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:39:14 -0700, "William Andersen"
wrote:

First, the only time the term right of way is used in the Navigation
Rules,
is in regards to a vessel coming down a river.
Pleasure craft don't have to yield to commercial craft.

Not true. There is no distinction between "commercial" and pleasure.
There is a distinction between fishing, size and/or maneuverability
with respect to other vessels.

We really don't have enough information on this because Matt didn't
specify if he was upbound and downbound as specified in Inland Rule
#14.

Inland Rule 9(d) covers this, but it's kind of iffy based on Matt's
information.

Inland Rule 10 also might apply. If Matt was in a recognized Traffic
Separation Scheme - your side, my side kind of thing- then the turn
may have been entirely legal, but it appears to be unlikely.

Everyone has to avoid a collision.

International Rule 7 and 8 - exactly right.

Whoops - International/Inland rule 7 and 8. My bad.