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Question about electrolysis
I bought a new SeaPro with a 200 Yamaha FI in March and keep it on a
trailer in an enclosed storage building. On weekends I launch and leave it in the water until Sunday. The trim tab is a sacrificial anode and is deteriorating rapidly - lots of pock marks. I've done some searches and found sites on what electrolysis is but haven't found a site that describes where the problem can originate or how to correct for it. The dealer felt there was a charge in the water but also suggested I turn off the Perko every time I dock and tilt the motor out of the water in case the problem was caused by something internal. I would appreciate any advice anyone may have. I have built a temporary pier with power but all power lines are above water and in conduit (pier is on 4 X 4 treated pilings and I usually dock the boat 15 -25 feet from the pier. There is a power service pole approx. 20 feet from the waters edge and has a grounding rod. Neighbors have electricity on their piers but none are within 70 feet or so. I have plugged in my on board battery charger overnight on a couple of occasions when the boat was in the water. The boat has 3 batteries, trolling motor, VHF, GPS, Hydraulic Jack Plate (Aluminum), Electric Trim Tabs, on board 3 bank charger and aerator. That's about all I know of that could affect it but would be happy to provide any other info if someone has any thoughts on what could be causing it and what I can do to stop it. I can raise and tilt the motor completely out of the water and turn off the Perko switch each time but that's a pain in the rear (not to mention I'm prone to forget). Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. Take care. Tom.................. |
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http://yachtsurvey.com/corrosion_in_marinas.htm
http://yachtsurvey.com/corrosion.htm "Tom" wrote in message ... I bought a new SeaPro with a 200 Yamaha FI in March and keep it on a trailer in an enclosed storage building. On weekends I launch and leave it in the water until Sunday. The trim tab is a sacrificial anode and is deteriorating rapidly - lots of pock marks. I've done some searches and found sites on what electrolysis is but haven't found a site that describes where the problem can originate or how to correct for it. The dealer felt there was a charge in the water but also suggested I turn off the Perko every time I dock and tilt the motor out of the water in case the problem was caused by something internal. I would appreciate any advice anyone may have. I have built a temporary pier with power but all power lines are above water and in conduit (pier is on 4 X 4 treated pilings and I usually dock the boat 15 -25 feet from the pier. There is a power service pole approx. 20 feet from the waters edge and has a grounding rod. Neighbors have electricity on their piers but none are within 70 feet or so. I have plugged in my on board battery charger overnight on a couple of occasions when the boat was in the water. The boat has 3 batteries, trolling motor, VHF, GPS, Hydraulic Jack Plate (Aluminum), Electric Trim Tabs, on board 3 bank charger and aerator. That's about all I know of that could affect it but would be happy to provide any other info if someone has any thoughts on what could be causing it and what I can do to stop it. I can raise and tilt the motor completely out of the water and turn off the Perko switch each time but that's a pain in the rear (not to mention I'm prone to forget). Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. Take care. Tom.................. |
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By Perko, I presume you mean battery switch. I shut off all the batteries on my boats when I'm not using them. You might want to wire up a bilge pump/electric float directly to the battery if it isn't already, so that any water that gets below the deck can be pumped out. But that isn't much of a worry on a SeaPro at a dock. I would definitely tip the engine out of the water, too, when the boat is docked overnight. If you are in a theft area, buy a prop lock nut. Are you in fresh or salt water? That determines what sort of sacrificial electrode you need. You are correct on the battery switch. I also neglected to mention the bilge pump (auto and manual) is already installed. Tilting the engine is really not a problem and so far theft has not been a problem - I usually leave fishing tackle in the boat when docked but I'm sure I'll regret that someday.The water would best be described as brackish I guess - we're at the end of the bay off of the Intracoastal Waterway and within a few hundred yards of a cut to the Gulf but also fed by a freshwater creek. |
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Sounds like stray current causing faster than normal sacrificing of the
anode. IMO, best solution is to raise your OB out of the water. You should also report the problem to marina management and to adjacent boat owners so they may take appropriate action. Butch "Tom" wrote in message ... I bought a new SeaPro with a 200 Yamaha FI in March and keep it on a trailer in an enclosed storage building. On weekends I launch and leave it in the water until Sunday. The trim tab is a sacrificial anode and is deteriorating rapidly - lots of pock marks. I've done some searches and found sites on what electrolysis is but haven't found a site that describes where the problem can originate or how to correct for it. The dealer felt there was a charge in the water but also suggested I turn off the Perko every time I dock and tilt the motor out of the water in case the problem was caused by something internal. I would appreciate any advice anyone may have. I have built a temporary pier with power but all power lines are above water and in conduit (pier is on 4 X 4 treated pilings and I usually dock the boat 15 -25 feet from the pier. There is a power service pole approx. 20 feet from the waters edge and has a grounding rod. Neighbors have electricity on their piers but none are within 70 feet or so. I have plugged in my on board battery charger overnight on a couple of occasions when the boat was in the water. The boat has 3 batteries, trolling motor, VHF, GPS, Hydraulic Jack Plate (Aluminum), Electric Trim Tabs, on board 3 bank charger and aerator. That's about all I know of that could affect it but would be happy to provide any other info if someone has any thoughts on what could be causing it and what I can do to stop it. I can raise and tilt the motor completely out of the water and turn off the Perko switch each time but that's a pain in the rear (not to mention I'm prone to forget). Thanks in advance for any advice you might have. Take care. Tom.................. |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:56:58 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote: Sounds like stray current causing faster than normal sacrificing of the anode. IMO, best solution is to raise your OB out of the water. You should also report the problem to marina management and to adjacent boat owners so they may take appropriate action. Thanks Butch - looks like I'll be tilting the motor from now on. This is at a private residence and not a marina. The nearest boat is approx. 70 feet away and lives in a sling (only seen it in the water once in the last 10 months) and next closest is at least 250 feet away. Only time I have connected to shore power is when I plug in my on-board charger when I run the aerator overnight or if I've used the trolling motor extensively. Any ideas where the stray current could be coming from? |
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On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:28:33 -0400, "*JimH*" wrote:
http://yachtsurvey.com/corrosion_in_marinas.htm http://yachtsurvey.com/corrosion.htm Thanks Jim, I had found the second one but glad to see the first. I knew I would leave out some information - this is at a private residence not a marina and the boat is only attached to shore power when I plug in the built in battery charger (which may be the culprit). I've only done that a few times when I've used the trolling motor extensively or want to run the aerator overnight. Otherwise the only connection to land is via rope. |
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Tom wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:56:58 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Sounds like stray current causing faster than normal sacrificing of the anode. IMO, best solution is to raise your OB out of the water. You should also report the problem to marina management and to adjacent boat owners so they may take appropriate action. Thanks Butch - looks like I'll be tilting the motor from now on. This is at a private residence and not a marina. The nearest boat is approx. 70 feet away and lives in a sling (only seen it in the water once in the last 10 months) and next closest is at least 250 feet away. Only time I have connected to shore power is when I plug in my on-board charger when I run the aerator overnight or if I've used the trolling motor extensively. Any ideas where the stray current could be coming from? It may not be a stray current problem at all. Your anode is "supposed" to develop pock marks and become used up, and you would have much greater cause to worry it were not. All you need to create a current is two dissimilar types of metal sharing a common, conductive medium. No shorepower or even on-board battery power is required, and it may have nothing to do with a miswired dock or miswired nearby boat. Conditions could be perfect, and you would still develop pock marks in the anode. Some metal object that is more "noble" than you anode is sucking the electrons out of it- which is a good thing- because if the anode were not on duty those electrons would be sucked out of something structural or functional instead. People who are thrilled because they never have to replace their anodes are likely to have a rude and expensive awakening when they realize that a faulty ground or bonding system on the boat was actually sacrficing something else all along and instead. If you suspect stray current, construct a half-cell and test for it. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Tom wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:56:58 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Sounds like stray current causing faster than normal sacrificing of the anode. IMO, best solution is to raise your OB out of the water. You should also report the problem to marina management and to adjacent boat owners so they may take appropriate action. Thanks Butch - looks like I'll be tilting the motor from now on. This is at a private residence and not a marina. The nearest boat is approx. 70 feet away and lives in a sling (only seen it in the water once in the last 10 months) and next closest is at least 250 feet away. Only time I have connected to shore power is when I plug in my on-board charger when I run the aerator overnight or if I've used the trolling motor extensively. Any ideas where the stray current could be coming from? It may not be a stray current problem at all. Your anode is "supposed" to develop pock marks and become used up, and you would have much greater cause to worry it were not. All you need to create a current is two dissimilar types of metal sharing a common, conductive medium. No shorepower or even on-board battery power is required, and it may have nothing to do with a miswired dock or miswired nearby boat. Conditions could be perfect, and you would still develop pock marks in the anode. Some metal object that is more "noble" than you anode is sucking the electrons out of it- which is a good thing- because if the anode were not on duty those electrons would be sucked out of something structural or functional instead. People who are thrilled because they never have to replace their anodes are likely to have a rude and expensive awakening when they realize that a faulty ground or bonding system on the boat was actually sacrficing something else all along and instead. If you suspect stray current, construct a half-cell and test for it. Tom, can you post a picture of the anode to show just how much it has deteriorated since March? Your definition of "deteriorating rapidly" may be what could be quite normal, as Chuck pointed out. I would definitely trim the unit out of the water when the boat is docked as that would be the best solution. Raising it is a one minute project (not labor intensive other than to your thumb) and it will keep you lower unit from looking newer. As others have said it is also a good practice to turn the battery switch to "off". |
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"*JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Tom wrote: On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:56:58 GMT, "Butch Davis" wrote: Sounds like stray current causing faster than normal sacrificing of the anode. IMO, best solution is to raise your OB out of the water. You should also report the problem to marina management and to adjacent boat owners so they may take appropriate action. Thanks Butch - looks like I'll be tilting the motor from now on. This is at a private residence and not a marina. The nearest boat is approx. 70 feet away and lives in a sling (only seen it in the water once in the last 10 months) and next closest is at least 250 feet away. Only time I have connected to shore power is when I plug in my on-board charger when I run the aerator overnight or if I've used the trolling motor extensively. Any ideas where the stray current could be coming from? It may not be a stray current problem at all. Your anode is "supposed" to develop pock marks and become used up, and you would have much greater cause to worry it were not. All you need to create a current is two dissimilar types of metal sharing a common, conductive medium. No shorepower or even on-board battery power is required, and it may have nothing to do with a miswired dock or miswired nearby boat. Conditions could be perfect, and you would still develop pock marks in the anode. Some metal object that is more "noble" than you anode is sucking the electrons out of it- which is a good thing- because if the anode were not on duty those electrons would be sucked out of something structural or functional instead. People who are thrilled because they never have to replace their anodes are likely to have a rude and expensive awakening when they realize that a faulty ground or bonding system on the boat was actually sacrficing something else all along and instead. If you suspect stray current, construct a half-cell and test for it. Tom, can you post a picture of the anode to show just how much it has deteriorated since March? Your definition of "deteriorating rapidly" may be what could be quite normal, as Chuck pointed out. I would definitely trim the unit out of the water when the boat is docked as that would be the best solution. Raising it is a one minute project (not labor intensive other than to your thumb) and it will keep your lower unit looking newer. As others have said it is also a good practice to turn the battery switch to "off". Edit. Not 'from looking newer' but 'looking newer'. Doh! |
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