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NOYB wrote:
"HarryKrause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:00:30 -0400, HarryKrause wrote:


I fowarded my suggestion to the State of Israel:

Complete the Wall of Division, and allow no "Palestinians" to cross
it
into Israel for any reason whatsoever.

Let "Palestine" make it on its own, or with the help of its Muslim
Arab
neighbors and friends.

Under such circumstances, how long would it take for the
"Palestinians"
to
kill off each other?

Well, those aren't the circumstances, are they? Even after the
withdrawal, Israel will continue to control Gaza's borders,
coastline,
and airspace. It reserves the right to undertake military operations
at
will. Israel will continue to tax Gaza products entering Israel, but
will
not tax Israeli products entering Gaza, and will continue to collect
custom duties on any foreign products entering Gaza. Under those
circumstances, Gaza doesn't stand a chance. It sounds to me
like Israel is setting up a Palestinian prison, not an independent
country.



If the United States had Iran as its northern neighbor, we'd probably
do
the same.


We *do* have Iran as our neighbor...ever since we annexed Iraq.

Still, I think the answer for Israel is to keep all "Palestinians" not
now
within it borders out, and allow no day workers, familial visits,
humanitarian hospitalizations, nothing, zip, zilch, nada. Any
"Palistinans" now within Israel's borders are free to emigrate to
"Palestine" any time they like and to take whatever belongings they
have
with them.

I don't know what the answer is for Gaza. It is the canard of canards.
Perhaps the oil-soaked sheiks can build a road through Sinai and a
bridge
into Jordon and then another road to "Palestinian" territory. But
wait...the Egyptians and Jordanians don't want anything much to do with
the "Palestinians" either.

The Arab Muslims have all the real estate in that part of the Middle
East
but for the bit of land comprising Israel. I'm sure the Arab Muslims
can
afford to help out their less fortunate "Palestinian" brothers and
sisters, and bring them into the 14th Century.

That's assuming the rest of the Arab Muslims come out of the 10th Century
any time soon.

Man, you are stupid!! To think that the entire Arab Muslim population
is still living in the 10th century is BEYOND dumb.

Harry stated that the entire Palestinian community is still living in a
period prior to the 14th Century. Why didn't you chastise him for his
statement?

Of course, you failed to recognize the significance of the time period I
mentioned and how it relates to the current mindset of the Muslim community.
I guess subtlety doesn't work on you.

"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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As much as I admit to support the Bush administration, I have a problem
with Israel. My issue is that they lead the world in slave sex trade and
no one seems to really care.

Slave sex trade???

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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As much as I admit to support the Bush administration, I have a problem
with Israel. My issue is that they lead the world in slave sex trade and
no one seems to really care.

Slave sex trade???



I've never heard anything about the prowess of Israel in the slave sex
trade. I guess that's because juuuue's all control the media. ;-)

Scooby Doo wrote:
How many convictions? Oh, yeah, zero.


Really? I suggest you count again.


LORAL Technologies. Run by Bernard Schwartz, the single most generous
contributor of soft money to the Democratic National Committee. Google
"LORAL China"

Ah yes, the old "Clinton gave missile technology to China" fantasy
scrambles for some distant bearing on actual fact.

Tell me, do you actually believe this malarkey or are you just sucking
up to the other pea-brained fascists who are already in residence?



Funny you call those who criticize Clinton "fascists", when it was WJBC
himself who said that the Framers created a "radical" constitution with
"radical freedoms", and that "we've moved to limit those".

Really? I missed it when he said that, although I was listening when
President Bush insisted that being President meant that he didn't have
to answer questions.




At erecting the wall between intelligence agencies blamed for the
inability to connect the pre-9-11 dots?

Funny, intel under Bush has only gotten worse, here it is years after
Sept 11th and they're still fighting reform.


The architect of the wall, Jamie Gorelick, was *ON* the 9/11 Commission.

You mean, the panel that Bush refused to testify for? Got any idea what
he was hiding?

DSK

BTW if you're going to mention Clinton, you should also mention that his
policies *were* successful.


NOYB wrote:
Bull****. N. Korea continued to develop nukes well after Clinton bribed
them in the mid-90's.

Really? That must explain why they only started up their enrichment
plant... relatively easily verifiable by satellite... after President
Bush started calling them names.


... Saddam continued to aid and abet terrorists

There is no proof that Saddam Hussein has ever had any links whatever to
anti-US terrorism. The White House has said so many times, when will you
get with the program?

... commit
genocide against his own people

Is this our business? We don't interfere in other countries that carry
out far worse genocides.

... and threaten his neighbors.

Yep, the first President Bush told him it was OK to invade Kuwait, and
sold him weapons (including WMDs) to fight Iran.

... And al Qaeda
grew emboldened by Clinton's withdrawal of troops from Somalia.

???

I thought they were all PO'd because of US troops on Saudi Arabian soil,
and President Bush caved in to them?


Success my ass.

Is that the goal you're working toward? Sorry, but I think Clinton only
goes for women.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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BTW if you're going to mention Clinton, you should also mention that his
policies *were* successful.


NOYB wrote:
Bull****. N. Korea continued to develop nukes well after Clinton bribed
them in the mid-90's.

Really? That must explain why they only started up their enrichment
plant... relatively easily verifiable by satellite... after President Bush
started calling them names.


So all N. Korean nuclear weapon research sat dormant for 6 years, eh?



... Saddam continued to aid and abet terrorists

There is no proof that Saddam Hussein has ever had any links whatever to
anti-US terrorism. The White House has said so many times, when will you
get with the program?


There's plenty of proof. He paid the families of terrorist suicide bombers
in Israel. He harbored terrorists like Abu Nidal and Ramzi Yousef. His
intelligence agents met with al Zarqawi and Mohammed Atta. That's all what
you'd call "proof".

... commit genocide against his own people

Is this our business? We don't interfere in other countries that carry out
far worse genocides.

Sure we do. Maybe not all, but a lot of them.


... and threaten his neighbors.

Yep, the first President Bush told him it was OK to invade Kuwait,

You've been spending too much time on liberal conspiracy web pages.

and sold him weapons (including WMDs) to fight Iran.

Nope. Bush wasn't President when those weapons went to Iraq.


... And al Qaeda grew emboldened by Clinton's withdrawal of troops from
Somalia.

???

I thought they were all PO'd because of US troops on Saudi Arabian soil,


That's not what emboldened them. Read bin Laden's 1996 Fatwah:

" But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous
propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of
the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force,
including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However,
when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American
Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying
disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared
in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these
threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by
Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became
very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy
to the "chests" of believing nations "

"Scooby Doo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Scooby Doo" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Scooby Doo" wrote in message
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DSK wrote in
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BTW if you're going to mention Clinton, you should also mention
that his policies *were* successful.

At getting the USS Cole attacked?

At providing missle technology to communist China?

At giving Hollywood the script for Black Hawk Down?

At ignoring the opportunity to apprehend Osama Bin Laden? TWICE?

At erecting the wall between intelligence agencies blamed for the
inability to connect the pre-9-11 dots?

It sounds like it's OK with you that Bush not only allowed WMDs to
vanish, but actually set up the situation to ASSURE that they would.

What does Bush have to do with Clinton's foreign policy failures?
Changing the subject to evade questions isn't a particularly credible
debate tactic.

You're blaming Clinton for absurd things. I thought it was time to
lend some balance to your comments.

Clinton's foreign policy featured appeasement and using the military for
humanitarian efforts inappropriate to their abilities. This led to the
"we can get away with it" attitude partly responsible for the Cole and
Mogadishu incidents.

The missile-tech-to-China deal involved Loral Technologies, a company run
by Clinton cronie Bernard Schwartz, the single most generous donor to the
Democratic National Committee.

Clinton AAG Jamie Gorelick was the architect of the intelligence wall.

Clinton appointees also considered terrorist attacks as criminal acts
rather than acts of war, and they didn't believe they could produce enough
evidence to secure a criminal conviction of bin Laden.

Clinton's fingerprints are on each of these incidents, which is why I
mentioned them.

I could provide a similar list of GWB foreign policy failures, should
someone wish to argue that his policies "were successful". Wisely, nobody
has made such an argument that I've seen.

At least you're allowing for Bush's nonsense. You're excused from study
hall.

NOYB wrote:
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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As much as I admit to support the Bush administration, I have a problem
with Israel. My issue is that they lead the world in slave sex trade and
no one seems to really care.

Slave sex trade???



I've never heard anything about the prowess of Israel in the slave sex
trade.

Really? Are you BLIND??? Here's a place to start, then do a google
search. Try Israel sex slave.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/israel.htm

John H. wrote:
On 2 Aug 2005 04:10:21 -0700, wrote:


NOYB wrote:

BTW why did you run away from the thread about Turkey?

What about it?

I take it you didn't comprehend the question? He asked WHY did you run
away from the thread about Turkey?

I take it you didn't comprehend the question? I asked, "So what percent of
terrorists do you think are WASP types like McVey, or
old women?"

Perhaps you need to learn how to follow a thread???

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dan J.S." wrote in message
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As much as I admit to support the Bush administration, I have a problem
with Israel. My issue is that they lead the world in slave sex trade and
no one seems to really care.

Slave sex trade???


It's HUGE. Israel is one of the leaders in that space. They have huge sex
slaves rings that take women from former Russian states and sell them all
over the world, and the Israeli government is doing very little about it.
There were some arrests recently when there was some UN pressures along with
some U.S. concerns.