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VArious people have tried to argue that Truman was wrong tp use nukes
to end WW2, they argue that either Japamn was ready to surrender or that a demo of the nukes would have been effective. We can dismiss the idea of a nuke Demo because where would it have been demo'ed? No location except on a city would have any meaning. A visit to Alamagordo during the Trinity test would have failed to impress any more than watching the firestorms over other Japanese cities. The Japanese people would never have witnessed such a demo, just the military Junta who were ready to fight to the end. Besides, there were not enough weapons for such a test. After Nagasaki, it was expected to be two weeks before another was ready. Were the Japanese ready to surrender? Some people point to an attempt by the Japanese ambassador to Russia to discuss terms. If the Japanese wanted to surrender, they could have contacted any US embassy instead of the Russians who wwere known to have their own motives. Clearly this was not a real attempt. Most people do not know that the actual terms of surrender were nearly identical to terms that had been communicated months before from the Potsdam Declaration. The Japanese simplky needed a way to save face and the use of the A bombs gave them the excuse to surrender under the same terms previously proposed. The Japanese junta was so unwilling to surrender, that after Hiroshima, they had a vote and were tied about surrender. They had to take tyhe unprecedented step of getting the emporers vote who did not vote to surrender until after Nagasaki. Even then the Hawks on the junta tried to stage a coup against the doves so they could continue. When that failed, they tried to steal the recording of the surrender by the Emperor. When many japanese heard the emperors voice, many at first thought they would hear a declaration of VICTORY, not surrender, that is how well controlled their thoughts were by the junta. What would have happened without the bombs? The casualties would have been massive. Casualty estimates were based on those of Okinawa but failed to take into account the actual readiness of the Japanese to defend their islands. The US simply did not know the real numbers of kamikazes that would be ysed against them. The US did not know of the thousands of suicide frogmen trained to destroy landing craft. Tha japanese strategy was to attack troop transports knowing tht the US was tired of war and they thought that if the casualties were high enough, they could get better terms. Anybody who has seen the pictures of midget suicide subs stretching far into the distance will realize the level of difficulty the US faced. Would the entry of the Soviets have meant anything? It would mean something but the soviets were not willing to allow the US to use their territory. B29 crews who reached soviet territory were held prisoner. In spite of having many men, the Soviets were unable to directly attack the islands but instead were tied down in Manchuria. The home islands were safe from any Soviet attack. Japanese who are familiar with the decisions being made in the last few months seem to agree that the use of the bombs saved lives. Other reasons to use the bomb. When Berlin fell, a U-boat was intercepted in mid-Atlantic carrying a load of unenriched uranium to Japan. The Japanese officers aboard had killed themselves when the U-boat surrendered. There was a fear that the Japanese were attempting to build a dirty bomb to use against the US to be delivered by aircraft from a submarine. Achieving surrender quickly would alleviate this very real concern. The Japanese rerally could have done this as they were experimenting with enrichment using the same method Saddam Hussein used before Gulf War 1. This would not have been a nuclear explosion but simply a dispersal of radioactive material. The use of the bombs was a very public demo of the power of the bomb. It was really no different than what was planned for other japanese cities, in fact, the firebombing of Tokyo killed more people. One by one japanese cities were being destroyed by conventional firebombing so the use of the a bomb was really no different except that it showed what ONE plane could do. This gave the Japanese a very powerful way to save face by surrendering under the previously rejected terms. |
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I am very sorry I posted this here. I intended to post it to
Sci.military.naval. Please ignore it as it is not about boats. |
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