On 12 Aug 2005 12:40:23 -0700, wrote:


John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"
wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now less
crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on weekends as
the ramps were too busy and there were just too many boats zipping around
for my taste. The ramps remain busy on weekends but it's now much more
tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or perhaps their
circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for fishing
outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than 400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a significant
percentage of total costs.




I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of regular
into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount. About $180.
Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

John, what does Safeway being unionized have to do with the price of
gasoline??

About as much as Moto Guzzi has to do with Desmo!

You'll have to ask Harry. He was the one complaining about Safeway's gas prices!

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:56:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

wrote in message
oups.com...


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of regular
into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount. About $180.
Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

John, what does Safeway being unionized have to do with the price of
gasoline??


John's mortician may have prescribed typing as a means of delaying rigor
mortis. Doesn't much matter what he types, though. :-)


It's the Viagra, Doug!

--
John H.
On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD

Doug,
WD is closing stores as fast as they can. They will not get over this, they
will follow an organized plan of paying off their creditors by closing
stores and finally going belly up. They are on their last legs.

The only employees I knew who were worse than WD was A&P.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's all part of a big mess, including failure to update many stores.
They'll get past it, though.

"52 nd Name" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or
if their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not
successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many
boats zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on
weekends but it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or
perhaps their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for
fishing outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way
in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would
influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any
changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving
me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a
significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount.
About $180. Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50
on groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and
the price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

http://www.winndixie.com/locations/list.asp

Doug,
Thought you might like this.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
It's all part of a big mess, including failure to update many stores.
They'll get past it, though.

"52 nd Name" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Doug,

WD did have many management problems, but even a well managed Supermarket
Chain can not be competitive if their labor costs are not competitive or
if their employees are not able to offset their increase salary with an
increase in productivity. If WD did have a strong management team, they
would have been able to hold on for awhile longer, but they would have
continued to lose marketshare as long as their cost structure was not
competitive.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Labor issues were far from the biggest problems at Winn Dixie.

"51 st" Smithers Inc wrote in message
...
Harry,
Winn Dixie tried to negotiate with their Union. They were not
successful.

They are now bankrupt, and the Union workers are out of a job.


"Harry.Krause" wrote in message
...
John H. wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:21:02 -0400, "Harry.Krause"

wrote:

Butch Davis wrote:
Yes, it has influenced me to do more boating as the waters are now
less crowded. For the past several years I would seldom go out on
weekends as the ramps were too busy and there were just too many
boats zipping around for my taste. The ramps remain busy on
weekends but it's now much more tolerable.

I guess some folks can just about afford the boats they buy or
perhaps their circumstances have changed.

If fuel goes to $6.00 or more I may do more boat pooling for
fishing outings. Otherwise I'm good to go.

Butch
wrote in message
ups.com...
General question:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way
in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

If so, how?

If not, is there a price per gallon that you believe would
influence
your boating activities or frequency? How high would that be?


Me: Slow boater with very fuel efficient boat, not making any
changes
to usage. Price per gallon could double or triple without driving
me
off the water, (but in a 150 engine hour year I will burn les than
400
gallons of fuel).

For many boaters, fuel is simply an incidental expense, but for
others
(small fast boat with a big engine) it could represent a
significant
percentage of total costs.


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount.
About $180. Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

No prob with safeway...it's using gasoline as a loss-leader. Spend $50
on groceries in one trip, and you get six cents off per gallon, and
the price without the deal is competitive with other stations.

Safeway tried to bust its unions in California a few years ago. It did
not succeed.

"John H." wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:56:35 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:

wrote in message
roups.com...


I had a delightful time at Safeway today, pumping 75 gallons of
regular
into Yo Ho and $2.43 a gallon, less a six cent discount. About $180.
Thanks, Dubya.

Isn't Safeway unionized? What's your problem?

John, what does Safeway being unionized have to do with the price of
gasoline??


John's mortician may have prescribed typing as a means of delaying rigor
mortis. Doesn't much matter what he types, though. :-)


It's the Viagra, Doug!

Quiet...you'll wake the dead.

On 11 Aug 2005 15:59:53 -0700, wrote:

Have this summer's higher prices for marine fuel changed the way in
which you use your boat or the frequency with which you use it?

Not really, but I've burned through 530 gallons ($1,600) worth of gas
this past week on the Contender running a couple of charters and for
my own amusement. Last year, that same amount roughly $1,150.

When I filled up the six gallon tank on the Princecraft yesterday it
cost me $15. Last year, it cost me $11.

I'm not destitute by any stretch, but I've cut down on speed to
conserve to keep the fuel flow low on the Contender so I guess it has
affected my operating somewhat.

As to frequency, not really, but I'm spending more time making shorter
runs rather than long ones. For instance, if I have somebody who's
looking for stripers, I'll run to areas more inshore than, say,
Martha's Vineyard cutting down on trip times and thus gasoline.

What I have noticed though, and I think this is pretty interesting, is
that my "Gas and Go" program is attracting some attention. I have
more people asking for that option than say a straight trip - even
some of the folks who are regulars with me or my fishing partner.

Talking to some of the local charter types, they aren't exactly
admitting a large decrease in business, but the cost of fuel is
impacting their business - how much so, I can't say because you can't
get a straight answer from these guys.

Around the marina, there seems to be a reasonable amount of activity,
but it's quick runs, not the lengthy runs you used to see.

And the last time I was out at Oak Harbor, the activity was unusually
"quieter" than normal.

Enough info? :)

Later,

Tom