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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20 years;
they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of oil
offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of FORTY
DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited refining
capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists. And
YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I
need details.


I wonder if I'm one of the insane extremists. You see, I live in
California. I've surfed and sailed and played on the coast, the beaches,
the waters of California for more than 30 years now. When the republican
presidents propose drilling off the California coast, I always say no
thank you. I like my California coastal areas just the way they are and I
believe, right or wrong, that drilling off the coast will ruin the beauty
of the coast for me (actually, all of us, but I don't want to speak for
others). So, maybe I'm one of the extremists. Sorry, insane extremists.
Or maybe the reference is to someone else. I'm never quite sure where I
fit because on some environmental issues I'm pro, others con, and I've
voted for both republican and democratic presidential candidates. I even
voted for an independent once! Shhh.


OK, but we're talking about refineries. I'm wondering if blueeyes can
explain to me why some people don't want any more refineries built. I
honestly don't know.

OBE,
Harry is frustrated because he is an old fart who has nothing to do, but
attack Republicans and pretend to own a lobster boat.

You hit the name on the head, Harry's life is a miserable existence.



"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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OlBlueEyes wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in
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OlBlueEyes wrote:
Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?
The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20
years; they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of
oil offshore and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a
patchwork of FORTY DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those
limited refining capabilities to the breaking point.
Wow...you've really bought into the Bush b.s.

You have no retort, so you blame someone you've never met for all the
misery in your life.

You're claiming someone you've never met has "misery" in his life?

Hey everyone,

Can anyone cite a single post by Harry that was positive or uplifting?




Didn't think so.

Q.E.D.

This shows Harry's lack of understanding concerning basic supply and
demand.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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OlBlueEyes wrote:

This is why prices are behaving as they are, and why prices ALWAYS rise
in any "crisis" situation. People who complain about $500 generators
selling for $3,000 or $5 plywood boards selling for $25 don't understand
basic economics. There aren't enough generators or plywood boards for
everyone, so prices self-regulate.

Sometimes, but more likely, the sellers are taking advantage and gouging.

The stations in my immediate area raised their prices nearly $1.00
overnight. There's no shortage, there's no lines, and it's unlikely all
the stations just received thousands of gallons of higher priced gas.

It's gouging.

Do you listen much to grownup news? When I hear mention of oil price
increases, it's almost always like this: "Oil rose $X per barrel today in
Singapore trading, based on fears caused by London bombings / latest
increase in violence in Baghdad / tropical storm somewhere. This hurricane
is the first REAL reason there's been in quite some time.


"Starbucks" wrote in message
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This shows Harry's lack of understanding concerning basic supply and
demand.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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OlBlueEyes wrote:

This is why prices are behaving as they are, and why prices ALWAYS rise
in any "crisis" situation. People who complain about $500 generators
selling for $3,000 or $5 plywood boards selling for $25 don't understand
basic economics. There aren't enough generators or plywood boards for
everyone, so prices self-regulate.

Sometimes, but more likely, the sellers are taking advantage and gouging.

The stations in my immediate area raised their prices nearly $1.00
overnight. There's no shortage, there's no lines, and it's unlikely all
the stations just received thousands of gallons of higher priced gas.

It's gouging.

Stig Arne Bye wrote:

Today, gas prices in Norway made a jump to its highest price ever in
history, and where the price currently is approx. NOK 12.50 per litre
that equal approx. $7.70 per US gallon.....

The reason for this jump in gas prices is the current situation in the
Mexico Gulf area that severely has affected oil prices world wide, and
the longer the situation in the area continues, gas prices is expected
to become even higher.....


UPDATE:

Just saw the local TV news a few minutes ago:

Gas prices in Norway just made a second increase today, and has now
reached a new high record of approx. NOK 13.20 per litre, that is equal
to approx. $8.10 per US gallon.....

Now, where is this going to end.....???



Stig Arne Bye

E-mail ......:
Contact .....: AOL IM: VT480TFE / MSN Messenger:
Snail-Mail ..: P.O.Box 169, NO-9915 Kirkenes, Norway
Homepage ....: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/index.html
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Located just about 70°N 30°E - Almost at the top of the world!

On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:06:44 +0200, Stig Arne Bye
wrote:

Today, gas prices in Norway made a jump to its highest price ever in
history, and where the price currently is approx. NOK 12.50 per litre
that equal approx. $7.70 per US gallon.....

The reason for this jump in gas prices is the current situation in the
Mexico Gulf area that severely has affected oil prices world wide, and
the longer the situation in the area continues, gas prices is expected
to become even higher.....



gas prices here in PA

8/31
4:30 PM 2.49
5:30 PM 2.59

9/1

8 AM 2.79
1 PM 2.99

20% increase in 16 hours.

and i drive 120 miles each day to school...jesus...

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to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field

The oil market is the same as any other commodity, the market place is as
rational as those involved in the market, so you can have some very
irrational short term fluctuations. The free market place is not perfect,
it is just the best system known to man.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Stig Arne Bye" wrote in message
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Today, gas prices in Norway made a jump to its highest price ever in
history, and where the price currently is approx. NOK 12.50 per litre
that equal approx. $7.70 per US gallon.....

The reason for this jump in gas prices is the current situation in the
Mexico Gulf area that severely has affected oil prices world wide, and
the longer the situation in the area continues, gas prices is expected
to become even higher.....



Stig Arne Bye

E-mail ......:
Contact .....: AOL IM: VT480TFE / MSN Messenger:
Snail-Mail ..: P.O.Box 169, NO-9915 Kirkenes, Norway
Homepage ....: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/index.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Located just about 70°N 30°E - Almost at the top of the world!

I would have thought that the price would drop for world oil but gas
prices here would increase.

Since we can't import oil to the port in Louisiana that should mean lower
demand for oil on the world market since we can't import oil for our
demand.


Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in
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"Bryan" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote in
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Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20
years; they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources
of oil offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of
FORTY DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited
refining capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists.
And YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries?
I need details.


I wonder if I'm one of the insane extremists. You see, I live in
California. I've surfed and sailed and played on the coast, the
beaches, the waters of California for more than 30 years now. When
the republican presidents propose drilling off the California coast,
I always say no thank you. I like my California coastal areas just
the way they are and I believe, right or wrong, that drilling off the
coast will ruin the beauty of the coast for me (actually, all of us,
but I don't want to speak for others). So, maybe I'm one of the
extremists. Sorry, insane extremists. Or maybe the reference is to
someone else. I'm never quite sure where I fit because on some
environmental issues I'm pro, others con, and I've voted for both
republican and democratic presidential candidates. I even voted for
an independent once! Shhh.


OK, but we're talking about refineries. I'm wondering if blueeyes can
explain to me why some people don't want any more refineries built. I
honestly don't know.

Ask the insane extremists. Harry....?

No...I'm asking you. You mentioned the subject, which means you must be
thoroughly informed, right? I don't trust Harry's explanation. I want yours.
Make like a journalist. Summarize it factually in one paragraph. No links.

What do you call "short term" for the oil markets?

"Starbucks" wrote in message
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The oil market is the same as any other commodity, the market place is as
rational as those involved in the market, so you can have some very
irrational short term fluctuations. The free market place is not perfect,
it is just the best system known to man.



"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jeff Rigby wrote:
"Stig Arne Bye" wrote in message
...
Today, gas prices in Norway made a jump to its highest price ever in
history, and where the price currently is approx. NOK 12.50 per litre
that equal approx. $7.70 per US gallon.....

The reason for this jump in gas prices is the current situation in the
Mexico Gulf area that severely has affected oil prices world wide, and
the longer the situation in the area continues, gas prices is expected
to become even higher.....



Stig Arne Bye

E-mail ......:
Contact .....: AOL IM: VT480TFE / MSN Messenger:
Snail-Mail ..: P.O.Box 169, NO-9915 Kirkenes, Norway
Homepage ....: http://home.online.no/~stigbye/index.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Located just about 70°N 30°E - Almost at the top of the world!

I would have thought that the price would drop for world oil but gas
prices here would increase.

Since we can't import oil to the port in Louisiana that should mean
lower demand for oil on the world market since we can't import oil for
our demand.


Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Bryan" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"OlBlueEyes" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote in
:


Why do you think the oil market is a rational market?

The "oil market" is not a "market" at all. Insane extremists have
prevented the construction of a single refinery over the past 20 years;
they have prevented the exploration of alternative sources of oil
offshore
and in the remote arctic tundra; they have demanded a patchwork of
FORTY
DIFFERENT blends of vehicle fuel, straining those limited refining
capabilities to the breaking point.

The present energy crisis is 100% the work of insane extremists. And
YOU
are one of them.

Why have these extremists prevented the building of new refineries? I
need details.


I wonder if I'm one of the insane extremists. You see, I live in
California. I've surfed and sailed and played on the coast, the beaches,
the waters of California for more than 30 years now. When the republican
presidents propose drilling off the California coast, I always say no
thank you. I like my California coastal areas just the way they are and
I believe, right or wrong, that drilling off the coast will ruin the
beauty of the coast for me (actually, all of us, but I don't want to
speak for others). So, maybe I'm one of the extremists. Sorry, insane
extremists. Or maybe the reference is to someone else. I'm never quite
sure where I fit because on some environmental issues I'm pro, others
con, and I've voted for both republican and democratic presidential
candidates. I even voted for an independent once! Shhh.


OK, but we're talking about refineries. I'm wondering if blueeyes can
explain to me why some people don't want any more refineries built. I
honestly don't know.


That's a great question. I don't know anyone, personally, that is against
building a refinery. We're against drilling off the California coast, but
there's no real reason anyone could object to a refinery. I'm guilty of not
wanting one in my backyard, and that's probably a pretty general sentiment,
but another refinery where they already exist or won't impact existing
homes/home prices isn't on the general hit list around these parts. I
didnt' realize anyone was stopping refineries from being built; I just
thought they weren't built due to lack of foresight.