I live in suburbia, and we have a red fox, grey fox and a coyote living in
our area. All the them sharing the same territory, keeping the rabbit
population in check.



"Eisboch" wrote in message
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thunder wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:20:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


I haven't seen beaver or coyote or otter in my woods, but I have run
across bear tracks.

You mentioned that you have fox. An outdoorsman I know told me, you can
have fox or coyote, but not both. Apparently, coyote will kill foxes.
Bear are becoming quite common here and are a joy to see, but are a
little
spooky to me. They have never shown any aggression to me, but neither do
they seem to fear me. I'm not used to that. I prefer wild animals,
especially large wild animals with big teeth, to fear me.

I don't know about that. Mrs. E and I enjoy coffee in the morning sitting
in
the garage with the doors open, watching the wild life making their way
across our property. In addition to regular visits by deer and rabbits, we
have seen a coyote from time to time as well as a little fox that visits
once or twice a week. The funniest sight is the wild turkeys. They fly,
but not very well. Landings are your basic controlled crash.

Eisboch

"Don White" wrote in message
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At 5:30 P.M. on Sept. 6, my neighbor, Dr. Jacqueline Perry, was killed
and
her husband severely injured by a black bear. The bear stalked and
killed
her and then mauled her husband as he tried to rescue her. The bear
stalked and leaped upon Jackie as she was near their campfire. Bears
can
become too familiar with people as they equate people with food. They
are
large wild animals and should be left alone as they can kill you very
easily.

Jim


Did this happen in Ontario Jim?
Seems like every year we hear reports out of BC or Alberta about bear
attacks. A Nova Scotia girl was messed up pretty good out there.

Yes Don, this happened in Ontario. It was in a Wilderness Provincial Park,
Missinaibi, and this is the fourth person killed by a Black Bear in this
Province. ( that I can remember.) I do believe a young Olympic hopeful was
killed last year, by a Black Bear, in Quebec. Lots of people are attacked
out west but usually by Grizzlies and they are most often very inexperienced
people. Most that are educated in back country hiking or canoeing know
what to do in case of an encounter by bears. Early this year, my daughter
was canoeing at the same park where my neighbor was killed. My daughter
told me that she never goes into the wilderness without some concern of
bears. She carries a pepper spray to ward them off if they come to close
to her. Also, Black Bears are easily intimidated by "big" people. My
daughter is over 6 feet tall and weighs approx. 175 lb. She knows that
sometimes black bears can be frightened off by the person if the person
stands very tall and holds the canoe paddle high in the air. Note!!!!!
This does not work with a Grizzly.....only Black Bears who are not with cubs
Jim.

One of the dangers of wildlife living in suburbia is when well meaning,
uninformed people go out of the way to feed them, (sounds like your average
democrat ; ) ). This is dangerous for the animals and the homeowners who
leave food scraps for the wildlife. Here is a cut and paste that discusses
the dangers in relation to Coyote.

Coyote Cautions
As humans expand their living areas and coyotes expand their range as well,
contact is inevitable. Most of the time, coyotes go out of their way to
avoid humans, but they are discovering that humans are a good source for
food. Resourceful and adaptable as coyotes are, they will take advantage of
this when they can. In urban areas and in some National Parks the coyotes
are changing their behavior.

The most serious problem is that the animals may become habituated to
people. As they lose their fear of people, they will become bolder in
approaching people and may put themselves in hazardous situations they would
normally avoid.

Coyotes, if fed regularly by people, will come to depend on people for their
food. They won't starve if you stop feeding them, but they will be hungry
and unafraid of people. They can get very aggressive in approaching other
people. Some of the national parks now have coyotes that are begging for
food. Children and adults are being bitten by coyotes in California, Arizona
and other states. The most danger is in urban areas where young coyotes have
learned to steal and beg for food. If they can't find food, then the small
animals in the neighborhood will become their targets to solve their need
for food. Children will also be at risk of being bitten.


Coyotes are not your average dog -- they are not to be messed with. They are
smart, and they learn quickly. They can be dangerous, and when it comes to
urban coyotes, steps should be taken to avoid encouraging them to visit your
neighborhood. That means close garbage can lids tightly, do not leave pet
food outside and do not leave small pets outside unaccompanied.

Coyotes love nothing better than cats and frequently take small dogs. Inform
neighbors of your sighting and encourage them to take steps NOT to attract
the clever little varmints. Remember: Make sure that no pet food is ever
left outdoors.





"Starbuck's" wrote in message news:...
I live in suburbia, and we have a red fox, grey fox and a coyote living in
our area. All the them sharing the same territory, keeping the rabbit
population in check.



"Eisboch" wrote in message
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thunder wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:20:02 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:


I haven't seen beaver or coyote or otter in my woods, but I have run
across bear tracks.

You mentioned that you have fox. An outdoorsman I know told me, you can
have fox or coyote, but not both. Apparently, coyote will kill foxes.
Bear are becoming quite common here and are a joy to see, but are a
little
spooky to me. They have never shown any aggression to me, but neither
do
they seem to fear me. I'm not used to that. I prefer wild animals,
especially large wild animals with big teeth, to fear me.

I don't know about that. Mrs. E and I enjoy coffee in the morning sitting
in
the garage with the doors open, watching the wild life making their way
across our property. In addition to regular visits by deer and rabbits,
we
have seen a coyote from time to time as well as a little fox that visits
once or twice a week. The funniest sight is the wild turkeys. They fly,
but not very well. Landings are your basic controlled crash.

Eisboch

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:15:39 GMT, Don White
wrote:
Ah..you 'mericans! Where would you be without your guns?
Not at the dinner table.....that's for sure. We had goose on
Thursday.... garlic mashed potatoes and steamed broccoli....
Bought my son his first gun when he was four..... he's a pretty good
marksman, now... as the freezer attests! He just bought a new 12 ga.
for duck and geese, which are just coming into season.
Now, if we could just find an affordable multi-purpose duck boat (for
him) and flats boat (for me).....

Gene, if I find an affordable multi-purpose boat for you, will you promise
to shoot all of them damn geese that mess up my lawn at the marina?

Jim

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:41:14 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Don, forgets that we ensured our right to keep and bear arms in our
founding documents.

An armed populace means a government in fear.

Really? That same document ensured our right to "due process of law", but
Bush threw that one out, e.g. Padillo. Or, is the Second Amendment the
only one you care about?

I believe that the order of the amendments in the Bill of Rights are in
order of their importance. Everyone agrees on the first amendment but when
it comes to the second there are quite a few that wish it would just goaway.

Only an idiot would feed them. I say let them be and live their life the
way they are supposed to live.


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:11:12 -0400, "Starbuck's"
wrote:

This is dangerous for the animals and the homeowners who
leave food scraps for the wildlife.

Instead of feeding 'em, I say kill 'em all!!!!

Tom,
It looks like Harry is trying to pull your strings.


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:35:58 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:22:48 -0400, "Starbuck's"
wrote:

Only an idiot would feed them. I say let them be and live their life
the
way they are supposed to live.

Exactly - hunt them to extinction as God intended.

Smithers is using you, Tom.

Nobody uses me. I'm the most independent old fart you are ever likely
to meet.

If I choose to answer or reply to anybody, it's because I want to - no
other reason required.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:29:13 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


I believe that the order of the amendments in the Bill of Rights are in
order of their importance. Everyone agrees on the first amendment but when
it comes to the second there are quite a few that wish it would just
goaway.

Not me, I have no problem with the Second Amendment. Personally, I have
very little use for guns, but that is just me. I would disagree about the
order and importance of the Amendments, though. As I age, I am finding a
fondness for the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, especially the people parts.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:11:12 -0400, "Starbuck's"
wrote:

This is dangerous for the animals and the homeowners who
leave food scraps for the wildlife.

Instead of feeding 'em, I say kill 'em all!!!!

They keep down the kitty population in the Burbank area.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 22:43:44 GMT, Gene Kearns
wrote:

At the airport I work at, they have employed a Fed to shoot geese
*and* spray the eggs (rendering them sterile)..... and that doesn't
work all that well, either.

I surprised they didn't try dogs.

Oakland and San Francisco airports have falcons on staff.