U.S. Wins Court Ruling in 'Dirty Bomb' Case
By Richard A. Serrano Times Staff Writer2 hours, 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Jose Padilla, held
for more than three years after federal officials said he planned to set off
radiological devices, or "dirty bombs," could be detained indefinitely
without trial.

The unanimous decision by a panel of the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals
significantly boosts the Bush administration's program of jailing key Al
Qaeda and Taliban suspects without filing criminal charges or holding
trials - whether the detainees were Americans arrested in the U.S. or
citizens of other countries seized abroad - in an effort to squeeze
intelligence information from alleged terrorist operatives.

The ruling could have major implications for detainees at the U.S. naval
base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many, like Padilla, have been deemed
"enemy combatants." Judge J. Michael Luttig wrote the decision for the
three-member panel in Richmond, Va. He is considered to be on President
Bush's short list of candidates to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court.

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NOYB wrote:
U.S. Wins Court Ruling in 'Dirty Bomb' Case
By Richard A. Serrano Times Staff Writer2 hours, 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Jose Padilla, held
for more than three years after federal officials said he planned to set off
radiological devices, or "dirty bombs," could be detained indefinitely
without trial.

The unanimous decision by a panel of the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of Appeals
significantly boosts the Bush administration's program of jailing key Al
Qaeda and Taliban suspects without filing criminal charges or holding
trials - whether the detainees were Americans arrested in the U.S. or
citizens of other countries seized abroad - in an effort to squeeze
intelligence information from alleged terrorist operatives.

The ruling could have major implications for detainees at the U.S. naval
base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many, like Padilla, have been deemed
"enemy combatants." Judge J. Michael Luttig wrote the decision for the
three-member panel in Richmond, Va. He is considered to be on President
Bush's short list of candidates to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court.

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Since this ruling supports the 'disapearing' of US citizens and denies
them the constitutional rights under a system of laws that this country
was founded on I see no great benefit from it.

If there was solid proof there should be no reason NOT to have a
criminal trial and conviction.

wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
U.S. Wins Court Ruling in 'Dirty Bomb' Case
By Richard A. Serrano Times Staff Writer2 hours, 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Jose Padilla, held
for more than three years after federal officials said he planned to set
off
radiological devices, or "dirty bombs," could be detained indefinitely
without trial.

The unanimous decision by a panel of the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of
Appeals
significantly boosts the Bush administration's program of jailing key Al
Qaeda and Taliban suspects without filing criminal charges or holding
trials - whether the detainees were Americans arrested in the U.S. or
citizens of other countries seized abroad - in an effort to squeeze
intelligence information from alleged terrorist operatives.

The ruling could have major implications for detainees at the U.S. naval
base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many, like Padilla, have been deemed
"enemy combatants." Judge J. Michael Luttig wrote the decision for the
three-member panel in Richmond, Va. He is considered to be on President
Bush's short list of candidates to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court.

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Since this ruling supports the 'disapearing' of US citizens and denies
them the constitutional rights under a system of laws that this country
was founded on I see no great benefit from it.

If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you have
no rights.

There was no way to fight a successful war against terrorism through our
court system. The enemy knew this, and that's precisely why they were so
successful in waging war against us without any repercussions against them.
All of that changed after 9/11 with Bush as President.

On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:21:01 +0000, NOYB wrote:



If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you
have no rights.

Ah, guilty until proven innocent. Only you can't prove your innocence
because you have been locked up for three years, without charges, without
council, without . . . Quite the new Amerika you are working on there,
NOYB.

There was no way to fight a successful war against terrorism through our
court system. The enemy knew this, and that's precisely why they were so
successful in waging war against us without any repercussions against
them. All of that changed after 9/11 with Bush as President.

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:21:01 +0000, NOYB wrote:



If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you
have no rights.

Ah, guilty until proven innocent. Only you can't prove your innocence
because you have been locked up for three years, without charges, without
council, without . . . Quite the new Amerika you are working on there,
NOYB.

There have been thousands of alleged "enemy combatants" freed from
Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib once military intelligence and/or tribunals have
deemed that they are no longer a threat. And I have faith that the military
system of justice will provide adequate protections for the truly innocent.
But folks like Padilla are mutant scum with no hope for rehabilitation...and
detaining him indefinitely is the best way to prevent him from ever again
participating in battle against the US.





There was no way to fight a successful war against terrorism through our
court system. The enemy knew this, and that's precisely why they were so
successful in waging war against us without any repercussions against
them. All of that changed after 9/11 with Bush as President.

In article et,
says...

There have been thousands of alleged "enemy combatants" freed from
Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib once military intelligence and/or tribunals have
deemed that they are no longer a threat. And I have faith that the military
system of justice will provide adequate protections for the truly innocent.

And your "faith" comes as a result of knowing that system so well. I'm
sure the same faith applied to those who didn't have to go to internment
camps in WWII.

Except that I'm sure 99.9% of those Americans would have sided with
their chosen country.

I think you should submit yourself to their custody based on marginal
evidence and see how the system works.

I'm sure you'd be out within a couple of years.

You'd be whimpering like a baby after two days.

jps

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:21:01 +0000, NOYB wrote:



If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you
have no rights.

Ah, guilty until proven innocent. Only you can't prove your innocence
because you have been locked up for three years, without charges, without
council, without . . . Quite the new Amerika you are working on there,
NOYB.

What about the numerous persons that were summarily beheaded over in Iraq.
Do you abhor that kind of justice too?

"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
news

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:21:01 +0000, NOYB wrote:



If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you
have no rights.

Ah, guilty until proven innocent. Only you can't prove your innocence
because you have been locked up for three years, without charges, without
council, without . . . Quite the new Amerika you are working on there,
NOYB.

What about the numerous persons that were summarily beheaded over in Iraq.
Do you abhor that kind of justice too?

thunder isn't a bad person. He just happens to live in a fantasy world
where it's desirable to show compassion to your enemy in the hope that they
will do the same to you.

In article ,
says...

"thunder" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 14:21:01 +0000, NOYB wrote:



If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you
have no rights.

Ah, guilty until proven innocent. Only you can't prove your innocence
because you have been locked up for three years, without charges, without
council, without . . . Quite the new Amerika you are working on there,
NOYB.

What about the numerous persons that were summarily beheaded over in Iraq.
Do you abhor that kind of justice too?

Are you suggesting that we operate using the same moral standards as
those who would chop people's heads off?

jps

"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...

wrote in message
oups.com...

NOYB wrote:
U.S. Wins Court Ruling in 'Dirty Bomb' Case
By Richard A. Serrano Times Staff Writer2 hours, 6 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Jose Padilla,
held
for more than three years after federal officials said he planned to set
off
radiological devices, or "dirty bombs," could be detained indefinitely
without trial.

The unanimous decision by a panel of the U.S. 4th Circuit Court of
Appeals
significantly boosts the Bush administration's program of jailing key Al
Qaeda and Taliban suspects without filing criminal charges or holding
trials - whether the detainees were Americans arrested in the U.S. or
citizens of other countries seized abroad - in an effort to squeeze
intelligence information from alleged terrorist operatives.

The ruling could have major implications for detainees at the U.S. naval
base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where many, like Padilla, have been deemed
"enemy combatants." Judge J. Michael Luttig wrote the decision for the
three-member panel in Richmond, Va. He is considered to be on President
Bush's short list of candidates to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------

Since this ruling supports the 'disapearing' of US citizens and denies
them the constitutional rights under a system of laws that this country
was founded on I see no great benefit from it.

If you engage in subversive activities against the US government and
terrorist activities against US citizens, you are no longer a US
citizen...you're an enemy combatant and a traitor. At that point, you
have no rights.

There was no way to fight a successful war against terrorism through our
court system. The enemy knew this, and that's precisely why they were so
successful in waging war against us without any repercussions against
them. All of that changed after 9/11 with Bush as President.



I guess you do not believe in the reasons for the 2nd amendment.