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DSK wrote:
SNIP
there were five objective greats: both Roosevelts,
Wilson, Johnson and Reagan. I would rank Reagan #2,
behind FDR. Normatively, I don't like much that FDR
did at all, but there is no disputing that he did it,
and changed the political landscape in fundamental,
enduring ways.
SNIP

I can't imagine any serious person putting LBJ on a list of great
Presidents. Wilson is a bit of a stretch too.

Stanley Barthfarkle wrote:

This last comment speaks volumes about the true character of
Conservatives
in this country- They give FDR his due-


Oh? I guess that means the legion of Republicans who regard FDR as a
traitor and sneer that the New Deal "failed" aren't really conservatives?

DSK


Great presidents of the last Century?

Wilson
FDR
Harry S Truman
JFK
Bill Clinton

Nixon might have been among the greatest, had he not ****ed up so
royally. He was one smart cookie. Nixon dead has a more jagged brain
wave than Dubya, who is as close to a flatliner as any many alive.

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Harry Krause wrote:

DSK wrote:

SNIP
there were five objective greats: both Roosevelts,
Wilson, Johnson and Reagan. I would rank Reagan #2,
behind FDR. Normatively, I don't like much that FDR
did at all, but there is no disputing that he did it,
and changed the political landscape in fundamental,
enduring ways.
SNIP

I can't imagine any serious person putting LBJ on a list of great
Presidents. Wilson is a bit of a stretch too.

Stanley Barthfarkle wrote:

This last comment speaks volumes about the true character of
Conservatives
in this country- They give FDR his due-



Oh? I guess that means the legion of Republicans who regard FDR as a
traitor and sneer that the New Deal "failed" aren't really conservatives?

DSK


Great presidents of the last Century?

Wilson

Check.

FDR

Check.

Harry S Truman

No.

JFK

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE ****ING KIDDING!!!

Bill Clinton

DITTO!!!

Kennedy didn't do squatty-doo in terms of anything with
lasting impact. We'll have to see if Clinton did, but
apart from the welfare reform act of 1996, which he had
previously vetoed in nearly identical form, and which
the notorious Dick Morris told him he *must* sign if he
hoped to have a chance of re-election, Clinton didn't
do anything lasting, either.

Lyndon Johnson had a far greater and more lasting
impact than either Kennedy or Clinton.


Nixon might have been among the greatest, had he not ****ed up so
royally. He was one smart cookie. Nixon dead has a more jagged brain
wave than Dubya, who is as close to a flatliner as any many alive.

Nixon was indeed very smart, but with the exception of
opening up to China and engaging in detente with the
Soviet Union, Nixon just did more of what others had
already done. It's worth noting that Reagan *reversed*
detente, and WON the cold war in the process.

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"Stanley Barthfarkle" wrote in message
...
SNIP
there were five objective greats: both Roosevelts,
Wilson, Johnson and Reagan. I would rank Reagan #2,
behind FDR. Normatively, I don't like much that FDR
did at all, but there is no disputing that he did it,
and changed the political landscape in fundamental,
enduring ways.
SNIP

This last comment speaks volumes about the true character of Conservatives
in this country- They give FDR his due- or any other Commander-In-Chief
for
that matter, Democrat or Republican- because of a sense of decency,
honesty,
and fair play. I don't hear any of that coming from the Left. They are
conspicuous in their silence, and a few of them have the audacity to mock
and ridicule a man who dedicated his life to this country, and the world,
at
the hour of his death.

Haven't you ever been to a wake for a member of a large family?

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On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 13:54:57 -0400, DSK wrote:


Oh? I guess that means the legion of Republicans who regard FDR as a
traitor and sneer that the New Deal "failed" aren't really conservatives?

If FDR was a traitor, these guys must have been true patriots.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/korob/fdtcards/Butler.html

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John Gaquin wrote:
"****tard" wrote in message news:evHxc.7966


You just couldn't be more wrong.



I dislike intensely the aggressive, vulgar writing style you have otherwise
employed over the past several days

Lots of people do. To tell you the truth, I'm somewhat
dismayed by it myself. But I've found that there's a
sort of Gresham's Law that applies to usenet. Bad
behavior chases out good, and if you're going to stick
around and make an impact, you just won't last with an
altar boy approach.

I'm a recent arrival here, by an unusual route, and I
won't be staying long; I wouldn't be anyway, but I've
about lost all interest in usenet, and I'm going to
stop posting anywhere. It was fun for a while, but
there's no intellectual barrier to entry, and there's
no reward to civility.

but with what you have written above I
concur fully.

The play's the thing, eh?

OT Reagan Legacy AIDS in Perspective
 

"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
...


Last but not least, AIDS. Reagan is not to blame for this horrific
epidemic, or for the high cost to the nation in terms of lost lives
and lost productivity. What he is responsible for is the government's
callous failure to respond to this crisis in a timely manner.

AIDS should have been treated (locally) like a STD. If that had been
done
the spread of the disease would have been slowed and hundred of
thousands
would be alive today. Politics reared it's ugley head because Gays were
the primary infection vector and you would be a homophobe if you were to
treat
it like any other STD.

"If this was affecting straight men and women at the time, nobody
would have sat around," said Rene Durazzo, international program
director for the nonprofit San Francisco AIDS Foundation. "Reagan had
the power to make world- changing decisions. Because he failed to do
so, we lost hundreds of thousands of people."

If it were infecting Straights the Public health officials would have
followed up on infections and quarantined those who behaved
irresponsibly.
They couldn't do this with Gays.

Can you imagine what the outcry would have been like if they would have
tried to quarantine gays that were infected, or closed down the bath
houses
that were spreading it so rapidly. AIDS is mostyl tranmitted through
behavior, and there is no way the gay community would have let their
behavior be modified by law.


Lets be fair, not all Gays were irresponsible. Those in communities that
promote LIBERAL philosophies lived down to the lowest common denominator.
In other communities the vectors were IV drug abuse and irresponsible
behavior (hetero).

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Harry Krause wrote in message ...
DSK wrote:
SNIP
there were five objective greats: both Roosevelts,
Wilson, Johnson and Reagan. I would rank Reagan #2,
behind FDR. Normatively, I don't like much that FDR
did at all, but there is no disputing that he did it,
and changed the political landscape in fundamental,
enduring ways.
SNIP

I can't imagine any serious person putting LBJ on a list of great
Presidents. Wilson is a bit of a stretch too.

Stanley Barthfarkle wrote:

This last comment speaks volumes about the true character of
Conservatives
in this country- They give FDR his due-


Oh? I guess that means the legion of Republicans who regard FDR as a
traitor and sneer that the New Deal "failed" aren't really conservatives?

DSK


Great presidents of the last Century?

Wilson
FDR
Harry S Truman
JFK
Bill Clinton

Nixon might have been among the greatest, had he not ****ed up so
royally. He was one smart cookie. Nixon dead has a more jagged brain
wave than Dubya, who is as close to a flatliner as any many alive.

I think it's the times. IMO, presidential leadership has gotten
progressively worse, thanks in part to the dumbing-down of a voter
demographic raised on images, slogans, and easy catch-phrases. People
are just as likely to vote for the "better ad campaign" as they are a
candidate and his ideas. Arguably, part of Reagan's "greatness" is
that he had a certain persona and ability to exploit the right images
and slogans in a way that inspired others. Then again, the picture
tends to be rosier as memory fades and we become older and more
nostalgic while at the same time more cynical of our current times.

Also, the media pressure has become so great that it's been said, only
the most "insane" would want to run for president any more -- which is
rather sad, for certainly there are many men out there who would make
great leaders.

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"~ Jonny ~" wrote in message
m...

Nixon might have been among the greatest, had he not ****ed up so
royally. He was one smart cookie. Nixon dead has a more jagged brain
wave than Dubya, who is as close to a flatliner as any many alive.


Who told you Nixon was all that?
Our own Pierre Trudeau had him beat in the 'smarts dept.'

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Don White wrote:
"~ Jonny ~" wrote in message
m...

Nixon might have been among the greatest, had he not ****ed up so
royally. He was one smart cookie. Nixon dead has a more jagged brain
wave than Dubya, who is as close to a flatliner as any many alive.


Who told you Nixon was all that?
Our own Pierre Trudeau had him beat in the 'smarts dept.'



I was "around" during most of Nixon's public life. He was
extraordinarily intelligent, but his character flaws, booze, and
emotional problems did him him.

The only part of the Reagan service I saw today was the singing of Ronan
Tynan. What a remarkable voice and style.

OT Reagan Legacy in Perspective
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

The only part of the Reagan service I saw today was the singing of Ronan
Tynan. What a remarkable voice and style.

Too bad you missed the trailer trash sleeping during the service.
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