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OT Enough of the Gipper already (the TRUE legacy)
Here is some of the true legacy of RR. The right is putting him on a
pedestal higher than all, because of what? Enough With Reagan Already The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, June 16, 2004 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's get this straight. Ronnie Reagan allowed AIDS to flourish for years after it was discovered and did next to nothing to stem its virulent, lethal tide, and wouldn't even utter the word until the end of his term, when it was too late. Ronnie Reagan denied the existence of the nation's homeless problem that he largely created, and then blamed the problem on not enough people caring to get out there and get a job as he meanwhile slashed civil services and assistance for the poor. Ronnie Reagan pillaged the U.S. Treasury and ballooned the deficit more than 100 percent during his term. He gave the wealthy enormous tax breaks and gouged the living crap out health care and social services and increased defense spending so much you'd think America was on the verge of being attacked by giant marauding alien centipedes. Get that man's face on the dime! History credits Reagan with ending the Cold War and putting the final nail in the already-collapsing Soviet coffin. Which he did, sort of, but not really, mostly via a massive, budget-reaming arms buildup and via strong-arming the world and launching Star Wars and by playing nice with all manner of dictators and then surprising everyone by siding with Gorbachev on disarmament. All while selling some slick, bloated version of an uber-patriotic, thick-necked, sanitized America to a dazzled populace who were utterly hypnotized by the man's silky-smooth ability to make toxic policy sound like Disneyland. Let's get this straight: Ronnie Reagan should have been impeached for his role in the Iran-Contra scandal, for launching an illegal war on Nicaragua, for applauding genocide in Guatemala and death squads in El Salvador. Ronnie Reagan worked tirelessly to roll back abortion rights, affirmative action and civil rights and was instrumental in diminishing the voice and strength of the U.N. Ronnie Reagan opposed stem-cell research, which could have helped end the horrible suffering of the last decade of his own life. Get that man's face on the 20-dollar bill! Let us not forget: Ronnie Reagan's secretary of the interior, James Watt, was indicted on more than 40 felony counts for leveraging his connections at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development to help his cronies seek federal funds for housing projects. Nothing like a little prison time for one of your key Cabinet members to make your administration really shine. As Tim Noah of Slate points out, Saddam's now-famous gassing of the Kurds, the horrific event that BushCo never ceases to point to as really really bad, occurred on Reagan's watch. And, in 1984, when Reagan's hawks received their first reports that Iraq was engaged in chemical warfare (using chemicals sold to him, in part, by the United States), they chose to shake hands with Saddam and ignore it. Give that man's fluffy head a spot on Mount Rushmore! Reagan the great government shrinker? Reagan the great decreaser of budget spending? Whatever. Truth is, spending actually increased by one-fourth, even factoring out inflation, during his term. Know who reversed that? Who actually decreased spending as an overall percentage of GNP and reduced the size of government during his term? Bill "Big Government" Clinton, that's who. Whatta jerk. Can we forget the lovely winking deal Reagan made with the Ayatollah Khomeini to hang on to those 52 American hostages in Iran till after the 1980 election in order to make Jimmy Carter look small and weak? Shall we remember how Reagan took full credit for their release, when he had almost nothing to do with it? True American hero, that Gipper. Ronnie Reagan tried to tell poor people that ketchup was a vegetable. Ronnie Reagan was largely detested by his own children and wasn't exactly highly respected for his intellect by his own Cabinet, and his general vagueness and lack of nuanced understanding of how government works -- not to mention how to pronounce the names of foreign leaders and countries -- is matched only by the current least articulate least intelligent least educated least attuned least globally respected man who now stumbles though the Oval Office with a smirky Texas pseudo-swagger. Reagan could be famously snarling, pinched, mean. As California governor, he fully cooperated with the CIA to investigate all those nasty commie uprisings in the UC system, ended the career of then-UC President Clark Kerr and famously warned student protesters, "If there has to be a bloodbath, then let's get it over with." What a sweetie. Is it too much to call Reagan "a cruel and stupid lizard" and "dumb as a stump," as Christopher Hitchins writes? You be the judge. Ronnie Reagan deregulated major industry and essentially loosed corporate America upon an unsuspecting populace, including the savings-and-loan companies, all while opening the national treasury for his wealthy pals to loot. He promised a crackdown on out-of-control deficit spending while working furiously to double the national debt. "Reagan taught us that deficits don't matter," oozed a very proud Dick Cheney, sneeringly. But let's be fair. Let's look on Ronnie's good side, the legacy, the reason tens of thousands are mourning the Gipper's passing and why an aging boomer nation is still held rapt by this most beguiling and masterful of proto-American Hollywood salesmen. Reagan was, as widely noted, a pragmatist. He was a seductive charmer. Gracious. He stood by his warped ideals and admitted his mistakes and followed through on many of his promises, even if those promises mutilated progressive ideas and stomped on the environment and gave piles of money to the wealthy, all while sucker-punching the poor and the working class and promising them nice shiny pennies and a big heap of false hope if they'd just shut the hell up. Which is why, I presume, there are any number of adorable GOP sycophants out there right now campaigning to get the Gipper's mug on the national currency. There are even some who want his face on Rushmore, who think it's not enough that we named a huge airport and an aircraft carrier and probably some nice road somewhere after him. After all, Ronnie gave the conservative agenda its beautiful, historic sense of bitter entitlement. As for the mourners, they weep not because Reagan was such a profound intellect, not because he was such a generous humanitarian, not because he balanced budgets or worked to end poverty or because he, as Clinton did, brokered peace in Northern Ireland and came closer than any president in history to finally ending conflict in the Middle East, and nearly winning the Nobel Peace Prize in the process. No, they want Reagan canonized because he was a wildly successful, hugely manipulative media presence. Because he charmed them to death, because he shaped American politics like no other president in recent history. This is what people are remembering: essentially, a surreal and often sad and yet indelible hunk of American history, a time when America fell under a slick jingoistic spell and conservatism found its voice and became much of what it is today: you know, mean-spirited and hawkish and ideologically lopsided, corporate sponsored, homophobic and fiscally reckless and more oriented toward one overarching agenda: military might uber alles. This, then, is what we have to thank Reagan for. A bruising, devious, glossy worldview, fiscal irresponsibility, the art of the slick media sound bite, humanitarianism treated like a disease to be eradicated. And now, with his passing, it's only appropriate to try to show a little respect. After all, you have to give the man credit -- he did indeed do a great deal to alter the timbre and direction modern American politics. His legacy is convoluted and eternally debatable and yet absolutely, undeniably extraordinary. He is the GOP's icon of finger-wagging righteousness. He is their demigod o' slippery prefab swagger. His attitudes and policies have had a titanic effect on the shape of modern American conservatism. Problem is, that shape looks increasingly, and frighteningly, like a giant, bloody baseball bat. |
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That's too harsh.
So many people today think that others are "good" or "bad" people depending upon whether their philosophies are similar to , or different than, their own. Ronald Reagan had some screwed up principles, (in my subjective view), but he was actually guided by those prinicples rather than the latest political poll. He became president because America decided it needed a person with his chracteristics, rather than because he successfully reinvented himself in an image of what he thought the American electorate wanted. I dislike Ronald Reagan's politics, but I have to admire the guy's style and the sincere leadership he brought to the office. Even though I would disagree with his philosophies, he was a good, rather than a bad person. |
OT Enough of the Gipper already (the TRUE legacy)
"basskisser" wrote in message m... Here is some of the true legacy of RR. The right is putting him on a pedestal higher than all, because of what? Enough With Reagan Already The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Typical of today's liberals, and the Democratic part in general. Intolerant, mean-spirited, bigoted. Jack |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message . com... Typical of today's liberals, and the Democratic part in general. Intolerant, mean-spirited, bigoted. Jack "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." "The principle feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things--war and hunger and date rape--liberals testify to their own terrific goodness. More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things. . . . Itīs a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you donīt have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal." -- P.J. O'Rourke |
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"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child - miserable, as all spoiled
children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." "The principle feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things--war and hunger and date rape--liberals testify to their own terrific goodness. More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things. . . . Itīs a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you donīt have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal." -- P.J. O'Rourke *********** Convertible political joke. This one tells both ways. ********* A man died and went to Heaven. When he got through the pearly gates, he saw St. Peter standing in front of a huge wall, completley covered with clocks. Some of the clocks appeared to tick once in a while, some moved rather steadily, and others seemed to be stopped. "What are all those clocks, Pete?" "My child, those are the clocks of lies. Everybody is born with one, and the hands are set to midnight. Each time somebody tells a lie, the time on their clock advances a minute. For example, here is St. Francis of Assisi's clock. In his entire life, St Francis only told six lies so the hands only advanced to 0:06." St. Pete contiuned, "This clock over here belongs to Jimmy Carter. He racked up some hours a while back, but the hands seldom move these days." The new arrival was fascinated. "Wow, that's really something! Where's the clock for {insert John Kerry or George Bush here}?" "Oh, that," said St. Peter, "has been relocated to God's office. He's using it for a ceiling fan". |
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"Jack Goff" wrote in message .com...
"basskisser" wrote in message m... Here is some of the true legacy of RR. The right is putting him on a pedestal higher than all, because of what? Enough With Reagan Already The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Typical of today's liberals, and the Democratic part in general. Intolerant, mean-spirited, bigoted. Jack So, you think that, because Reagan made the republican party nasty, brutish, and short sighted, that it's somehow the Democratic party's fault? |
OT Enough of the Gipper already (the TRUE legacy)
"basskisser" wrote in message Here is some of the true legacy of RR. The right is putting him on a pedestal higher than all, because of what? Enough With Reagan Already The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Mark Morford is no more a legitimate source than Rush Limbaugh, or Al Franken, or Hannity, or Richard Ben Veniste. They all overload with bombast to target their particular audience, without regard to rational thought. |
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message Remember what your mother taught you? If you can't say something nice..... Remember the Olympia Dukakis line from Steel Magnolias? "If you can't say something nice..... come sit by me." |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Here is some of the true legacy of RR. The right is putting him on a pedestal higher than all, because of what? Enough With Reagan Already The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Mark Morford is no more a legitimate source than Rush Limbaugh, or Al Franken, or Hannity, or Richard Ben Veniste. They all overload with bombast to target their particular audience, without regard to rational thought. You're such chuckle-buck, Gawkin...it must be interesting to be as disconnected from reality as you are... |
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you also won't hear the same level of deprecating speech from those on
the right, who have every reason to say those things, but still have the class and decency not to. Yes, the era of brotherly love and tolerance espoused by Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, etc, etc, etc, etc, will be considered by historians a golden moment in the growth of the human mind and spirit. Wake up. Your conservative talk radio industry is making billions of dollars a year in an attempt to bring about a "dark age" of inquisition in America. Tens of millions of increasingly angry and alienated people are hanging on their every greasy word. We liberals are not saints, either, but the right wingers either have no clue what restraint, class and decency consist of or no justification to claim those principles and standards as a core value of neo-conservatism. |
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Harry Krause wrote in message ...
John Gaquin wrote: "basskisser" wrote in message Here is some of the true legacy of RR. The right is putting him on a pedestal higher than all, because of what? Enough With Reagan Already The Gipper's true legacy? Making the GOP as it is today: nasty, brutish and shortsighted. Good riddance By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, June 16, 2004 Mark Morford is no more a legitimate source than Rush Limbaugh, or Al Franken, or Hannity, or Richard Ben Veniste. They all overload with bombast to target their particular audience, without regard to rational thought. You're such chuckle-buck, Gawkin...it must be interesting to be as disconnected from reality as you are... Forgot to put Harry on that list. |
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Do you ever wonder why those people are angry Chuck? Those people are
sick and tired of what liberals and the so-called "enlightened" people are doing to this country. Starting with the whole "politically correct" movement, all the way through entitlement programs for the undeserving, the relentless demonization of the rich and successful, and the support of programs which promote one person's superficial attributes over another's, along with government expanding its role to intervene in more and more aspects of people's lives and lifestyles, while taking more and more money out of our pockets. Talk-radio is an outlet for people to vent those frustrations. You guys on the left should take heed. Your ideologies are not popular with the majority of Americans. It isn't supposed to be a popularity contest. Coupled with your comment about the number of listeners to conservative hate radio, just who appears to be pandering to the crowd here? "Support of programs that promote one person's superficial attributes over anothers?" Opposed to programs that supress the non-Anglo, non- Protestants with messages about how the country was founded on Christianity and all others should put up with it or "go home"? "The government expanding its role to intervene in more people's lives"? You wouldn't be referring to the current government, expanding at a record pace and at record expense, and justifying increasing intrusion into the private affairs of ordinary law abiding citizens as "security" measures, would you? "Taking more and more money out of your pocket" Dave, I wish I had something for sale that you wanted to buy. I'd make a fricking fortune and you'd be broke for the rest of your life. Here's why: Our national costs, just like our personal budget costs, are dictated by the amount of money we spend every month---- not by the amount of money we decide we're going to set aside to pay bills during any particular pay cycle. Everytime I see an ad for something being sold "No payments until 2006!" I think of our current fiscal management. There are a lot of rubes on the street who imagine that if there are no payments due until 2006, or what not, that it is the same as being free. This is going to break your heart, but the Bush Tax Cut Emperor is stark, raving, naked. Periodski. The current Congress is spending money at an unsustainable pace. We are piling up a huge debt. Meantime, we make everybody feel temporarily OK about it all by reducing the amount of taxes being collected. It's like the family that decides to ignore the pile of bills on payday, go on a weekend spending spree instead, and then fantasize that they are well off because of all the new stuff they just bought with additional credit. The big lie is that reducing taxes has reduced the cost of government. No, it temporarily reduced the apparent immediate price of government, but has not affected the actual cost of government which is as high or higher now, (with one party in charge), than it has ever been. The ballooning deficit will eventually take *more* money out of the average guy's pocket than the phoney tax cut put into it, by far. Bush has not vetoed even one cent of spending, as far as I know, in 3 and 1/2 years. Yes it's true that Congress writes the checks, but he has to sign them. You guys want to truly act conservative, rather than simply disguise yourselves as conservatives? CUT FEDERAL SPENDING Once you have done that, you can cut taxes. Until you do that, you're simply jerking off to a better grade of pornography- still nothing but self indulgent, phoney pretense. The current "conservative" government has failed in the primary expectation of a conservative administration; reduce the size of the government and associated expenses. |
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Dave Hall wrote:
I can't comment on some of the others, but I do listen to Hannity regularly. I have NEVER EVER heard him make an ad-hominem attack against anyone. Proof that Dave Hall is basically a retard. Hannity all but foams at the mouth, snapping like a rapid poodle. If you genuinely believe he does not make "ad hominem" attacks then you clearly have both very poor judgement *and* the dimmest grasp of what "ad hominem" means. ... He DOES attack the issues, and will cut liberals to shreds for their double standards and disingenuous positions. Whereas his own double standards and "disingenuous positions" (or as we smarter & more honest folk call them, "lies") tend to get glossed over and ignored. But hey, at he's least not a drug addict. BTW did he ever serve in the military? DSK |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:31:23 -0400, DSK wrote:
BTW did he ever serve in the military? Nope. http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHG...20Chickenhawks http://www.awolbush.com/whoserved.html |
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 15:31:23 -0400, DSK wrote:
Dave Hall wrote: I can't comment on some of the others, but I do listen to Hannity regularly. I have NEVER EVER heard him make an ad-hominem attack against anyone. Proof that Dave Hall is basically a retard. Or possibly more proof that you lack objectivity, or what little you have is blinded by bias. Hannity all but foams at the mouth, snapping like a rapid poodle. Cite specific examples please. If you genuinely believe he does not make "ad hominem" attacks then you clearly have both very poor judgement *and* the dimmest grasp of what "ad hominem" means. I'll wait until you give me specific examples to comment. ... He DOES attack the issues, and will cut liberals to shreds for their double standards and disingenuous positions. Whereas his own double standards and "disingenuous positions" (or as we smarter & more honest folk call them, "lies") tend to get glossed over and ignored. Such as? But hey, at he's least not a drug addict. BTW did he ever serve in the military? Irrelevant. I still find it interesting how all these liberals are mesmerized on conservative talk radio and seem to know so much about it. What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? Dave |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:59:39 -0400, Dave Hall
wrote: What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? On the rare occaisions I listen to it, I enjoy listening to the shrill squealing of Rush as he watches his man go down the tubes. bb |
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bb wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:59:39 -0400, Dave Hall wrote: What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? On the rare occaisions I listen to it, I enjoy listening to the shrill squealing of Rush as he watches his man go down the tubes. bb Tubes? Toilet! Did you happen to hear Bush and Rumsfeld yesterday as they were dancing around on the head of a pin. Obfuscation uber alles! Sadly, those who "interview" these two liars aren't playing hardball with them. |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:12:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Tubes? Toilet! Did you happen to hear Bush and Rumsfeld yesterday as they were dancing around on the head of a pin. Obfuscation uber alles! Sadly, those who "interview" these two liars aren't playing hardball with them. Must be that liberal press. Bush and Rummie are actually liberals and as such are getting a free ride. bb |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:12:23 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: bb wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:59:39 -0400, Dave Hall wrote: What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? On the rare occaisions I listen to it, I enjoy listening to the shrill squealing of Rush as he watches his man go down the tubes. bb Tubes? Toilet! Did you happen to hear Bush and Rumsfeld yesterday as they were dancing around on the head of a pin. Obfuscation uber alles! Sadly, those who "interview" these two liars aren't playing hardball with them. Which is evidence enough that there are no "hard balls" to play. Considering the obvious bias that the news media exudes, you can bet that if there were anything even remotely substantive, they would pounce on it like the rapid dogs that they are. Dave |
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Dave Hall wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:12:23 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: bb wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:59:39 -0400, Dave Hall wrote: What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? On the rare occaisions I listen to it, I enjoy listening to the shrill squealing of Rush as he watches his man go down the tubes. bb Tubes? Toilet! Did you happen to hear Bush and Rumsfeld yesterday as they were dancing around on the head of a pin. Obfuscation uber alles! Sadly, those who "interview" these two liars aren't playing hardball with them. Which is evidence enough that there are no "hard balls" to play. Perhaps in your world it is, but in the real world it is not. Bush has had a free ride for more than a year. Some reporters are now just beginning to press the Bush-**** administration for answers to hard questions. |
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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:05:50 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:
Dave Hall wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:12:23 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: bb wrote: On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:59:39 -0400, Dave Hall wrote: What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? On the rare occaisions I listen to it, I enjoy listening to the shrill squealing of Rush as he watches his man go down the tubes. bb Tubes? Toilet! Did you happen to hear Bush and Rumsfeld yesterday as they were dancing around on the head of a pin. Obfuscation uber alles! Sadly, those who "interview" these two liars aren't playing hardball with them. Which is evidence enough that there are no "hard balls" to play. Perhaps in your world it is, but in the real world it is not. Bush has had a free ride for more than a year. Some reporters are now just beginning to press the Bush-**** administration for answers to hard questions. The 'hard balls' were fabrications, Harry. Remember? NY Times, LA Times, and Washington Post telling lies, again? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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But hey, at he's least not a drug addict. BTW did he ever serve in the
military? Dave Hall wrote: Irrelevant. Of course *you* think so, seeing as how you dodged the draft your self. Those of us who have served this country and put our lives on the line see it a little differently. I still find it interesting how all these liberals are mesmerized on conservative talk radio and seem to know so much about it. What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? Is that what you really think is happening? We know you can't read very well, now it seems you can't listen very well either. DSK |
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DSK wrote:
But hey, at he's least not a drug addict. BTW did he ever serve in the military? Dave Hall wrote: Irrelevant. Of course *you* think so, seeing as how you dodged the draft your self. Those of us who have served this country and put our lives on the line see it a little differently. I still find it interesting how all these liberals are mesmerized on conservative talk radio and seem to know so much about it. What, do you guys actually enjoy having your idealogy torn apart policy by policy, exposed for what it truly is, and then fed back to you? Is that what you really think is happening? We know you can't read very well, now it seems you can't listen very well either. DSK I'm still waiting for Dave to let us know where he lives, so we can round up a truck full of large dogs and drive them over to his place in order that they might crap on his lawn for three or four days. |
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