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John H wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:34:47 -0400, DSK wrote: John H wrote: Any conservative who *was* a liberal *is* a neoconservative. Why is Webster not sufficient as a source any longer? So, if this definition is correct, then Bush & Cheney not to mention Wolfowitz etc etc all *used* to be liberals? Interesting. When was this, exactly? DSK Doug, I didn't make up the definition. Go he http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...ve&x=10 &y=13 I have no reason to think the dictionary got it wrong. If Bush, et al, are neoconservatives, then, by definition, they were former liberals who are now espousing political conservatism. If they are not former liberals, then they are not neoconservatives, by definition. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! What you are is an intellectually lazy, simple-minded fool. |
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![]() Harry Krause wrote: jim-- wrote: tug, tug...yank, yank....dance for me Krause, I am your puppet master. LOL! You keep repeating that, crap-for-brains, but only you and your circle jerk of righties believe it, and only because most of you are dumb as doorknobs. In a way, krause is about as big an idiot as b'asskisser. Deny, deny, deny. -- Charlie |
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John H wrote:
Doug, I didn't make up the definition. Go he I did not say that you did. If they are not former liberals, then they are not neoconservatives, by definition. If they describe themselves as neoconservatives, or prominent self-named neoconservatives say that they are, then are they lying or are they just plain stupid? Here's an interesting little tidbit http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=2806 Also note that the pundits at 'New Century' describe themselves as neoconservatives, and they have the biggest influence on Bush & Cheney (outside of Halliburton or Saudi Arabia). DSK |
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He must believe that all the democrats are so stupid they actually believe
his BS. They might agree with his politics, but even they know he is one sick puppy. "Charles" wrote in message ... Harry Krause wrote: jim-- wrote: tug, tug...yank, yank....dance for me Krause, I am your puppet master. LOL! You keep repeating that, crap-for-brains, but only you and your circle jerk of righties believe it, and only because most of you are dumb as doorknobs. In a way, krause is about as big an idiot as b'asskisser. Deny, deny, deny. -- Charlie |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:41:02 -0400, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: Doug, I didn't make up the definition. Go he I did not say that you did. If they are not former liberals, then they are not neoconservatives, by definition. If they describe themselves as neoconservatives, or prominent self-named neoconservatives say that they are, then are they lying or are they just plain stupid? Here's an interesting little tidbit http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=2806 Also note that the pundits at 'New Century' describe themselves as neoconservatives, and they have the biggest influence on Bush & Cheney (outside of Halliburton or Saudi Arabia). DSK Perhaps they were liberals as high school or college students? John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
Perhaps they were liberals as high school or college students? Perhaps. Or maybe even younger. But with their consistently bad memory and addiction to contradiction, I wouldn't take *their* word for it. It seems most likely to me that Dick Cheney was a money grubbing fascist right from the cradle. So how is he a "neoconservative" by this definition? DSK |
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On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:14:31 -0400, DSK wrote:
John H wrote: Perhaps they were liberals as high school or college students? Perhaps. Or maybe even younger. But with their consistently bad memory and addiction to contradiction, I wouldn't take *their* word for it. It seems most likely to me that Dick Cheney was a money grubbing fascist right from the cradle. So how is he a "neoconservative" by this definition? DSK If he was not formerly liberal, then he is not, by definition, neoconservative. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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John H wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:14:31 -0400, DSK wrote: John H wrote: Perhaps they were liberals as high school or college students? Perhaps. Or maybe even younger. But with their consistently bad memory and addiction to contradiction, I wouldn't take *their* word for it. It seems most likely to me that Dick Cheney was a money grubbing fascist right from the cradle. So how is he a "neoconservative" by this definition? DSK If he was not formerly liberal, then he is not, by definition, neoconservative. John H Definition of someone with rigid personality...see Herring, John. |
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![]() "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Please Chuckie, whats your definition of a neocon? (Since you asked) Rather than a person who is newly conservative, (which a neocon may or may not be), a neocon is a person who subscribes to the "new" conservatism. The new conseratism is a black vs. white philosophy. All things are either very good, or very wicked. The new conservatism, like all philosophies, defines its own values as the "very good" values and all others as the "very wicked". All values are extreme in neoconservatism. The Commander in Chief (they seldom refer to him anymore as the president) is God's Chosen Leader for the American People, and those who oppose or even question Him are aiding and abetting our rapidly increasing number of enemies. Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Savage, and others epitomize the voices of neoconservatism. It is a narrow minded and hateful, self congratulatory and autovindicated system of belief. However, before all four conservatives who will even bother to read this pick up the nearest flame-thrower and come back with the moral-equivalency excuses about liberals do this, this, and this....... Not all conservatives are neocons. There are a handful of traditional conservatives left in the world. The traditional conservatives are shocked at the current size of the federal government and the dismal state of government fiscal affairs. The traditional conservatives respect dissent, (recognizing that at times it is their own voices that will be those of dissent, rather than majority) and are not trapped by binary thinking. I have a very high regard for traditonal, thoughtful, contemplative, rational conservatives. The neo con says, "You're either with me, or against me!" The traditional conservative says, "We either agree, or we need to work out a solution that will be at least somewhat acceptable to all sides. It could be that neither of us is *absolutely* right, and that there is more truth in the middle than on either extreme." So, no. A neocon isn't somebody who "used to be a liberal but saw the light". (That's a fairly binary concept, that all people are either liberal or conservative, anyway). A neocon is a binary thinker who used to be a liberal, moderate, or traditional conservative but who has been blinded by the propaganda and bulldung. Not exactly the same thing. :-) (You asked) I am going to have to toss your definition by the side due to the fact that it is more a political diatribe than a definition of a word. In fact, why don't we use the definition that m-w.com has for neoconservative just to make it easier for everyone to stay on the same page. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...eoconservative Main Entry: neo·con·ser·va·tive Pronunciation: -k&n-'s&r-v&-tiv Function: noun : a former liberal espousing political conservatism - neo·con·ser·va·tism /-v&-"ti-z&m/ noun - neoconservative adjective |
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![]() "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... John H wrote: On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:27:10 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: John H wrote: If a traditional conservative was a liberal, then he/she is a neoconservative. Perhaps you mean to say that Rush, Coulter, etc. are right wing extremists. I don't agree with that, but unless they were former liberals, which they may have been, then they aren't neoconservatives. Fortunately for you, you don't have to qualify in knowledge of modern English in order to babysit as a sub... Harry, you've shown your colors. Goodbye. John H On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! John, it isn't my problem that you are a simple-minded fool, lazy, and cannot figure out the modern-day meaning of a word in common usage. It is, however, a problem for the school district where you sub. That and your disdain for the black students in the schools where you sub make you quite a piece of work. Great you can now add situational definitions to your contributions to society. If you weren't so intellectually lazy and working so hard at being disengenuous, you'd know that "neoconservative refers to the extremist right-wing ideology of the current Republican leadership which, though it sprung out of the conservative movement, isn't conservative at all in any traditional sense (in that radicalism is, by definition, not conservative). This definition seems to be the dominant one." Please provide a reputable lexical source that defines neoconservative as you do? No cite for you. Easy enough to find. Meaning, Harry is lazy and can't support his argument! |
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