Gould 0738 wrote:
sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine.
Do you have trouble reading English?


Here's a link to a page where the author uses the phrase "without diesel
engine" but he wasn't stating that the Andrea Gail
didn't have a diesel. He was stating that the fishing industry might be able to
continue without diesel engines, but not without ice.

http://www.capepondice.com/perfectstorm_movie.htm



"Lady Grace" built side by side and virtually identical to "Andrea Gail" in
Panama City, FLA, has a 1271 Detroit Diesel



Quote:
And so the Lady Grace begins her long journey back to a normal life as an
ordinary swordfishing boat after starring as the Andrea Gail in The Perfect
Storm. Built side by side with the Andrea Gail in Panama City, FL in 1978, the
Lady Grace is nearly identical to the ship that ran into the Halloween Storm of
1991.

Capt. Layton, who trolls the Atlantic for swordfish, tuna and the occasional
mako shark, spent most of last year hanging out with Hollywood big fish like
George Clooney and director-producer Wolfgang Petersen while captaining the
ship for film shoots in Gloucester, MA and southern California. So with the
film now behind them, Sonny and crew have one last journey to make before they
can roll out the longlines again. And do what they do best? Fish.

Sonny has captained the Lady Grace for the past six years, spending most of
that time at sea. As we passed Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Baja California,
Sonny was feeling right at home. "I'm in heaven," he said from his wheelhouse
throne. "I got my girl back and I'm in the middle of the ocean. It doesn't get
any better for me."

For the next four weeks, the Lady Grace will sail down the coast of Mexico and
Central America to the Panama Canal. After crossing the canal for the first
time since being turned over to Panamanian control, the ship will steam through
the Cayman Islands in the Caribbean Sea to our first port of call — Miami,
FL. From there we'll catch the Gulf Stream and ride the Atlantic highway up to
New York City, Boston, and finally back to Gloucester where the Crow's Nest
stands lookout behind the marina.

The Lady Grace is a western rig longliner primarily used for catching large
pelagic fish like tuna, swordfish, and mahi mahi. She's 73 feet long, 20 feet
wide and weighs 93 tons — without a hold full of ice and fish. There's not a
lot of comfort on this vessel. It was designed for two things only — catching
fish and storing fish. On level with the deck are two small bunkrooms, which
can stack four fishermen sleeping nose to tail. It's so cramped that once
you've climbed out of bed, you've already left the room. A narrow galley
connects the sleeping quarters to two ladders - one leading up to Sonny's
wheelhouse and the other down to the engine room where Bill Botsch keeps the
1271 Detroit diesel engine purring like a catfish.

End quote.......

Depending on how the engine is set up,
I believe most 1271's produce 700-1000 HP.

Can you suggest a gasoline engine that would be suitable for an application
like the Andrea Gail?

Thanks. I only found the pictures of the sister, and was sure it was a
"Detroit", but not sure of the size. A 12-71 is a popular engine for
these boats, though I remember slightly less HP, depending on NA/TI and
injector size.
I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be
suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption.

otn

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:40:32 GMT, something compelled otnmbrd
, to say:

I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be
suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption.

Nobody who expects to do serious work with a large boat would
chose gasoline for a fuel. Were it suitable, you'd see
Peterbilt, Kenworth, and Mack trucks with Chevy 454's.

over the knee? *you* think ***they*** would print something that wasn't true??


sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine.
Do you have trouble reading English?

Do you believe everything you see in print? If you do, you're dumber
than I thought.... and I think your basic intelligence level is quite low.
To be blunt, I don't give a rats ass what the "author" said .... that
boat had a diesel engine.


nuff said

otn

over the knee? while *you did do a LOT of googling, *you* did NOT find where
the authur CLEARLY stated the fishing boat had a gasoline engine.

are you still claiming, over the knee, that you read *****English*****, the
language the book was written in??????]]]sorry, over the knee, the author
clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine.
Do you have trouble reading English?

Here's a link to a page where the author uses the phrase "without diesel
engine" but he wasn't stating that the Andrea Gail
didn't have a diesel. He was stating that the fishing industry might be able
to
continue without diesel engines, but not without ice.

http://www.capepondice.com/perfectstorm_movie.htm



"Lady Grace" built side by side and virtually identical to "Andrea Gail" in
Panama City, FLA, has a 1271 Detroit Diesel



Quote:
And so the Lady Grace begins her long journey back to a normal life as an
ordinary swordfishing boat after starring as the Andrea Gail in The Perfect
Storm. Built side by side with the Andrea Gail in Panama City, FL in 1978,
the
Lady Grace is nearly identical to the ship that ran into the Halloween Storm
of
1991.

Capt. Layton, who trolls the Atlantic for swordfish, tuna and the occasional
mako shark, spent most of last year hanging out with Hollywood big fish like
George Clooney and director-producer Wolfgang Petersen while captaining the
ship for film shoots in Gloucester, MA and southern California. So with the
film now behind them, Sonny and crew have one last journey to make before
they
can roll out the longlines again. And do what they do best? Fish.

Sonny has captained the Lady Grace for the past six years, spending most of
that time at sea. As we passed Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Baja California,
Sonny was feeling right at home. "I'm in heaven," he said from his wheelhouse
throne. "I got my girl back and I'm in the middle of the ocean. It doesn't
get
any better for me."

For the next four weeks, the Lady Grace will sail down the coast of Mexico
and
Central America to the Panama Canal. After crossing the canal for the first
time since being turned over to Panamanian control, the ship will steam
through
the Cayman Islands in the Caribbean Sea to our first port of call — Miami,
FL. From there we'll catch the Gulf Stream and ride the Atlantic highway up
to
New York City, Boston, and finally back to Gloucester where the Crow's Nest
stands lookout behind the marina.

The Lady Grace is a western rig longliner primarily used for catching large
pelagic fish like tuna, swordfish, and mahi mahi. She's 73 feet long, 20 feet
wide and weighs 93 tons — without a hold full of ice and fish. There's not a
lot of comfort on this vessel. It was designed for two things only —
catching
fish and storing fish. On level with the deck are two small bunkrooms, which
can stack four fishermen sleeping nose to tail. It's so cramped that once
you've climbed out of bed, you've already left the room. A narrow galley
connects the sleeping quarters to two ladders - one leading up to Sonny's
wheelhouse and the other down to the engine room where Bill Botsch keeps the
1271 Detroit diesel engine purring like a catfish.

End quote.......

Depending on how the engine is set up,
I believe most 1271's produce 700-1000 HP.

Can you suggest a gasoline engine that would be suitable for an application
like the Andrea Gail?

YET, the author is "The Perfect Storm" *****clearly***** stated the boat had a
gasoline engine. are *you* saying a different? Have you read the book? Do
you read English?

From: "Steve Daniels, Seek of Spam"
Date: 7/7/2004 11:11 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 02:40:32 GMT, something compelled otnmbrd
, to say:

I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be
suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption.

Nobody who expects to do serious work with a large boat would
chose gasoline for a fuel. Were it suitable, you'd see
Peterbilt, Kenworth, and Mack trucks with Chevy 454's.

***yet*** the author CLEARLY states the engine is a gasoline. Are **YOU**
stateing te boat sank because it did NOT have a gas engine? Or are you saying
you can't read anything written in English??

From: otnmbrd
Date: 7/7/2004 10:40 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: . net



Gould 0738 wrote:
sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine.
Do you have trouble reading English?


Here's a link to a page where the author uses the phrase "without diesel
engine" but he wasn't stating that the Andrea Gail
didn't have a diesel. He was stating that the fishing industry might be
able to
continue without diesel engines, but not without ice.

http://www.capepondice.com/perfectstorm_movie.htm



"Lady Grace" built side by side and virtually identical to "Andrea Gail" in
Panama City, FLA, has a 1271 Detroit Diesel



Quote:
And so the Lady Grace begins her long journey back to a normal life as an
ordinary swordfishing boat after starring as the Andrea Gail in The Perfect
Storm. Built side by side with the Andrea Gail in Panama City, FL in 1978,
the
Lady Grace is nearly identical to the ship that ran into the Halloween
Storm of
1991.

Capt. Layton, who trolls the Atlantic for swordfish, tuna and the
occasional
mako shark, spent most of last year hanging out with Hollywood big fish
like
George Clooney and director-producer Wolfgang Petersen while captaining the
ship for film shoots in Gloucester, MA and southern California. So with the
film now behind them, Sonny and crew have one last journey to make before
they
can roll out the longlines again. And do what they do best? Fish.

Sonny has captained the Lady Grace for the past six years, spending most of
that time at sea. As we passed Cabo San Lucas at the tip of Baja
California,
Sonny was feeling right at home. "I'm in heaven," he said from his
wheelhouse
throne. "I got my girl back and I'm in the middle of the ocean. It doesn't
get
any better for me."

For the next four weeks, the Lady Grace will sail down the coast of Mexico
and
Central America to the Panama Canal. After crossing the canal for the first
time since being turned over to Panamanian control, the ship will steam
through
the Cayman Islands in the Caribbean Sea to our first port of call �
Miami,
FL. From there we'll catch the Gulf Stream and ride the Atlantic highway up
to
New York City, Boston, and finally back to Gloucester where the Crow's Nest
stands lookout behind the marina.

The Lady Grace is a western rig longliner primarily used for catching large
pelagic fish like tuna, swordfish, and mahi mahi. She's 73 feet long, 20
feet
wide and weighs 93 tons � without a hold full of ice and fish.
There's
not a
lot of comfort on this vessel. It was designed for two things only �
catching
fish and storing fish. On level with the deck are two small bunkrooms,
which
can stack four fishermen sleeping nose to tail. It's so cramped that once
you've climbed out of bed, you've already left the room. A narrow galley
connects the sleeping quarters to two ladders - one leading up to Sonny's
wheelhouse and the other down to the engine room where Bill Botsch keeps
the
1271 Detroit diesel engine purring like a catfish.

End quote.......

Depending on how the engine is set up,
I believe most 1271's produce 700-1000 HP.

Can you suggest a gasoline engine that would be suitable for an application
like the Andrea Gail?

Thanks. I only found the pictures of the sister, and was sure it was a
"Detroit", but not sure of the size. A 12-71 is a popular engine for
these boats, though I remember slightly less HP, depending on NA/TI and
injector size.
I doubt you could find a gas engine that would match or be
suitable.....especially for longevity and fuel consumption.

otn

shen, you wish to argue with me about it? Why?? Argue with the author. *He*
interviewed the people close at hand.

*you*, on the other hand, haven't even read the book.

From: (Shen44)
Date: 7/7/2004 10:05 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Subject: atomic 4
From: (JAXAshby)
Date: 07/07/2004 18:26 Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

sorry, shen, but the author clearly stated the engine was gasoline.


Could care less what some writer stated.
No one in their right mind would power a boat that size with gasoline.
Considering the size of the boat and duration of the trips and requirements
beside the propellor, how many 600HP (and I'll admit that's a guess) gasoline
engines do you know of that are "marinized" to run for two weeks at a time
(+)
at that rated HP, and to last 8-9,000 hrs (@300,000-400,000 miles) before a
top
end overhaul.
Take a look at the web sight for the Andrea Gail and look at the pictures of
the sister boat.... my guess, a Detroit 149 something or other. (could be a
smaller 71/92) Do you know why I'm guessing Detroit?
Sorry Jax, but, unlike you, I've been around a lot of fishing boats over the
last 30-40 years, and I've seen few if any "gasoline" powered boats.

Shen

gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine (I
am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did.

It was just one sentence in the book, but the author clearly stated it.

I guess you didn't read the book, eh?

sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine.

Clearly and demonstrably untrue.


Do you have trouble reading English?


No, but apparently, you do.

The author never said what you attribute to him, Jax. What he said
was, "Commercial fishing simply wouldn't be possible without ice.
Without diesel engines, maybe; ..."

The sister ship had a diesel engine.

http://www.andreagail.com/The_Andrea...drea_gail.html

Some other interesting items that I suspect are factual, but can't
confirm....

http://www.library.piercelaw.edu/Exa..._Fall_1999.htm

Now, please leave study hall, go back to remedial reading, and try to
catch up to grade level
--



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http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine (I
am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did.

It was just one sentence in the book, but the author clearly stated it.

I guess you didn't read the book, eh?

or didn't understand all those big words on the pages after pages after pages.



sorry, over the knee, the author clearly stated the boat had a gasoline
engine.

Clearly and demonstrably untrue.


Do you have trouble reading English?


No, but apparently, you do.

The author never said what you attribute to him, Jax. What he said
was, "Commercial fishing simply wouldn't be possible without ice.
Without diesel engines, maybe; ..."

The sister ship had a diesel engine.

http://www.andreagail.com/The_Andrea...drea_gail.html

Some other interesting items that I suspect are factual, but can't
confirm....

http://www.library.piercelaw.edu/Exa..._Fall_1999.htm

Now, please leave study hall, go back to remedial reading, and try to
catch up to grade level
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

gene, fine fine fine **LICENSED** mechanic that you are with 000's and 000's
and 000's of hours professionally fixing engines when was the last time *you*
saw a boat with a diesel engine that had spark plugs???

you didn't notice that, did you.

but you maybe miss 80% of what you try to read anyway.

gene, listen to what I said. I did NOT say the boat had a gasoline engine
(I
am sure it did not), but did say the author clearly stated it did.


I didn't HEAR anything, but I DID post the author's quote.

What part about " " did I not make clear? How about posting what the
author said verbatim (plus about two sentences on either side) if it
is different from what I quoted....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide