rich, you misunderstood. I stated that the author stated that the nervous crew
cleaned the plugs on the engine the night before sailing. diesel engines don't
have plugs that can be cleaned by the crew (because they are nervous or
otherwise) the night before leaving. THEREFORE, the author stated the boat had
a gas engine.

Rich, I don't for a minute believe the boat had a gas engine, just as I don't
believe for a minute that the crew cleaned the plugs the night before sailing.

Interesting, it has been, to see just how many engine "experts" there are on
this ng who still to this moment think a diesel engine might well have
cleanable plugs.

anybody notice how absent rickie sluggs has been from this discussion?


Normally don't care about these arguments but had to enter my 2
cents...


Jax states that the author clearly states there was a gas engine. The
quote he used was that the men were cleaning the plugs on the engine.
The quote did not sate spark plugs. My engine has other types of
plugs besides spark plugs. Jax's quote does NOT conclude a as engine
existed. It may imply but it does not clearly state. No I did not
read the book because I first heard the story from the movie and if I
read the book It would ruin the movie.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:22:49 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"martin v pool" wrote in message
...
I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran
last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its
in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked?

First go to www.sailnet.com and subscribe to the Atomic 4 mailing list --
lots of knowledge there

Then $pend $50 and get Don Moyers A4 Manual http://www.moyermarine.com/

Don is considered the guru of the A4 and is most helpful with everything
from free advice to a full rebuild.

You will learn to curse at it, skin knuckles, contort your body into
positions never thought possible, but in the end you will come to consider
your A4 to be an old reliable friend. There's a good chance the engine will
outlast you.

It could be fishing lures (plugs), and the engine was used as a table.
Could have been oil plugs. As I stated it is not clearly sated the
boat had a gas engine. It is implied but not clearly stated.

On 10 Jul 2004 21:20:26 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

rich, you misunderstood. I stated that the author stated that the nervous crew
cleaned the plugs on the engine the night before sailing. diesel engines don't
have plugs that can be cleaned by the crew (because they are nervous or
otherwise) the night before leaving. THEREFORE, the author stated the boat had
a gas engine.

Rich, I don't for a minute believe the boat had a gas engine, just as I don't
believe for a minute that the crew cleaned the plugs the night before sailing.

Interesting, it has been, to see just how many engine "experts" there are on
this ng who still to this moment think a diesel engine might well have
cleanable plugs.

anybody notice how absent rickie sluggs has been from this discussion?


Normally don't care about these arguments but had to enter my 2
cents...


Jax states that the author clearly states there was a gas engine. The
quote he used was that the men were cleaning the plugs on the engine.
The quote did not sate spark plugs. My engine has other types of
plugs besides spark plugs. Jax's quote does NOT conclude a as engine
existed. It may imply but it does not clearly state. No I did not
read the book because I first heard the story from the movie and if I
read the book It would ruin the movie.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:22:49 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"martin v pool" wrote in message
...
I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran
last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its
in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked?

First go to www.sailnet.com and subscribe to the Atomic 4 mailing list --
lots of knowledge there

Then $pend $50 and get Don Moyers A4 Manual http://www.moyermarine.com/

Don is considered the guru of the A4 and is most helpful with everything
from free advice to a full rebuild.

You will learn to curse at it, skin knuckles, contort your body into
positions never thought possible, but in the end you will come to consider
your A4 to be an old reliable friend. There's a good chance the engine will
outlast you.

longliners don't use lures. The Andrea Gail was a longliner.

Frankly, I imagine all editions of the book past the first had the dumb
sentence removed. Up to that point in the book Younger sounded to be extremely
knowledgeable. that single sentence stopped cold his claim to expertise.

sorta like pair of lox claiming he has a EE degree in physics.

It could be fishing lures (plugs), and the engine was used as a table.
Could have been oil plugs. As I stated it is not clearly sated the
boat had a gas engine. It is implied but not clearly stated.

On 10 Jul 2004 21:20:26 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

rich, you misunderstood. I stated that the author stated that the nervous
crew
cleaned the plugs on the engine the night before sailing. diesel engines
don't
have plugs that can be cleaned by the crew (because they are nervous or
otherwise) the night before leaving. THEREFORE, the author stated the boat
had
a gas engine.

Rich, I don't for a minute believe the boat had a gas engine, just as I
don't
believe for a minute that the crew cleaned the plugs the night before
sailing.

Interesting, it has been, to see just how many engine "experts" there are on
this ng who still to this moment think a diesel engine might well have
cleanable plugs.

anybody notice how absent rickie sluggs has been from this discussion?


Normally don't care about these arguments but had to enter my 2
cents...


Jax states that the author clearly states there was a gas engine. The
quote he used was that the men were cleaning the plugs on the engine.
The quote did not sate spark plugs. My engine has other types of
plugs besides spark plugs. Jax's quote does NOT conclude a as engine
existed. It may imply but it does not clearly state. No I did not
read the book because I first heard the story from the movie and if I
read the book It would ruin the movie.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:22:49 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"martin v pool" wrote in message
...
I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran
last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its
in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked?

First go to www.sailnet.com and subscribe to the Atomic 4 mailing list --
lots of knowledge there

Then $pend $50 and get Don Moyers A4 Manual http://www.moyermarine.com/

Don is considered the guru of the A4 and is most helpful with everything
from free advice to a full rebuild.

You will learn to curse at it, skin knuckles, contort your body into
positions never thought possible, but in the end you will come to consider
your A4 to be an old reliable friend. There's a good chance the engine
will
outlast you.

And this from the guy who wrote "Victory at Sea" -- so how
about this be the LAST word

Richard Rodgers wrote:
Normally don't care about these arguments but had to enter my 2
cents...


Jax states that the author clearly states there was a gas engine. The
quote he used was that the men were cleaning the plugs on the engine.
The quote did not sate spark plugs. My engine has other types of
plugs besides spark plugs. Jax's quote does NOT conclude a as engine
existed. It may imply but it does not clearly state. No I did not
read the book because I first heard the story from the movie and if I
read the book It would ruin the movie.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:22:49 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"martin v pool" wrote in message
...

I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran
last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its
in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked?

First go to www.sailnet.com and subscribe to the Atomic 4 mailing list --
lots of knowledge there

Then $pend $50 and get Don Moyers A4 Manual http://www.moyermarine.com/

Don is considered the guru of the A4 and is most helpful with everything

from free advice to a full rebuild.

You will learn to curse at it, skin knuckles, contort your body into
positions never thought possible, but in the end you will come to consider
your A4 to be an old reliable friend. There's a good chance the engine will
outlast you.

wait a minute!! Sabastian Young wrote "The Perfect Storm"!!!!!!!!!!!!

So ........

.......... which author knows what he is talking about??

From: Jim
Date: 7/10/2004 7:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

And this from the guy who wrote "Victory at Sea" -- so how
about this be the LAST word

Richard Rodgers wrote:
Normally don't care about these arguments but had to enter my 2
cents...


Jax states that the author clearly states there was a gas engine. The
quote he used was that the men were cleaning the plugs on the engine.
The quote did not sate spark plugs. My engine has other types of
plugs besides spark plugs. Jax's quote does NOT conclude a as engine
existed. It may imply but it does not clearly state. No I did not
read the book because I first heard the story from the movie and if I
read the book It would ruin the movie.


On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 21:22:49 -0400, "Jim" wrote:


"martin v pool" wrote in message
...

I have bought a 30 year old sailboat with an atomic 4 engine. It ran
last fall but was not properly winterized. How do I check it while its
in drydock? Thoughts on replacement if its cooked?

First go to www.sailnet.com and subscribe to the Atomic 4 mailing list --
lots of knowledge there

Then $pend $50 and get Don Moyers A4 Manual http://www.moyermarine.com/

Don is considered the guru of the A4 and is most helpful with everything

from free advice to a full rebuild.

You will learn to curse at it, skin knuckles, contort your body into
positions never thought possible, but in the end you will come to consider
your A4 to be an old reliable friend. There's a good chance the engine
will
outlast you.