"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

You ignorant putz!!!! Can you take ANYTHING in context, JoeTechnician?

this is what I said:
I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design.

Now, I could see how someone could take this to me that me, myself was
licensed in 27 states, I'll grant you that. BUT, the meaning was the
COMPANY is licensed in 27 states. Now, where is it that you are
licensed to practice engineering? Florida and Georgia, with
reciprosity in Georgia, right?

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

"Calif Bill" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

You ignorant putz!!!! Can you take ANYTHING in context, JoeTechnician?

this is what I said:
I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design.

Now, I could see how someone could take this to me that me, myself was
licensed in 27 states, I'll grant you that. BUT, the meaning was the
COMPANY is licensed in 27 states. Now, where is it that you are
licensed to practice engineering? Florida and Georgia, with
reciprosity in Georgia, right?

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

Typical in Georgia is around $100.00. Test is simple, takes about 1
1/2 hours. No experience necessary. Very UNLIKE the P.E. Exam. This is
from the State of Georgia website:

Q. How can I obtain a state license?
A. To obtain a state license as a conditioned air contractor,
electrical contractor, low voltage contractor, master plumber, or
journeyman plumber or a state certificate as a utility manager, you
must:

1. submit a completed application and non-refundable fee with
documentation of the qualifications and reference information,
2. submit a completed examination scheduling form with fee, and
3. pass the examination.

Please keep it a secret that I pull wire.
I wouldn't want my current employer to know that a "wire puller" is
designing their new long haul SONET network.

Yeah, sure, JoeTechnician. You've been caught in a very long winded
lie. Should I recap just exactly what you've claimed-

Dont bother, I'll do it for you.
Here is exactly what I stated, in order from" The Bush Economy Stinks...and
Sinks" thread

1- I am an Engineer.

2- My title is "Telecommunications Infrastructure Engineer". I am licensed
in
Fl and Ga as a Limited Energy Specialist, and hold the professional
designation of RCDD. (Registered Communications Distribution Designer)

3- Not required nor available for Communications Engineering in FL or GA.
RCDD is the industry standard for communications engineering. 90% plus large
industry/government contracts require an RCDD stamped approval for all
communications design plans, and an RCDD onsite during installation for
QA/QC and PM.

4- Hey Asslicker, I never said I was a P.E.
Only 1 in 5 engineers are, or need to be. My specialty comes under Division
16 (Electrical) and must be stamped by a PE after my design.
5- I NEVER said I was an Registered Engineer in Georgia and Florida. I said
I
was licensed in Fl with (reciprocity in GA) as a Limited Energy Specialist.
I specifically stated that I was a "Telecommunications Infrastructure
Engineer".
6- One last time I shall try to explain to you.
I am an Engineer. A Telecommunications Engineer. My degree, experience,
responsibilities, and duties dictate this title within my organization.
I do ALL of the Telecommunications Engineering. My plans are inserted into
the Division 16 plans, and stamped by a P.E. when completed.
I am NOT a P.E., nor Registered, nor Certified, and never stated so.
I do NOT currently offer my services directly to the public. I work for an
Engineering Firm.
My title within my organization is legal, you may dispute this but it is
true. Read the law thoroughly.

The BICSI Registered Communications Distribution Designer (RCDD)
certification that I hold is required on most large contracts, from the
Engineering of the systems through to the project management and QC of the
installation. This has been added to most specifications due to the limited
knowledge of these systems by most P.E.'s. It may hurt your feelings but
most customers do NOT want a P.E. designing their communications
infrastructure.

My Limited Energy Specialty License is not required in my present position.
This license allows me to do all of the designing, pulling of permits,
hiring crews, etc, for any communications infrastructure or low voltage
projects in Fl, and Ga for which I directly contract with the public. I do
not need a P.E. to stamp my plans when contracting to the customer in
existing buildings. I submit my plans directly to the County in which the
work is performed.
I can not publicly advertise myself as an Engineer when contracting in this
role nor ever said I could.

TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEER within my current organization.
RCDD since it is required on most large contracts.
LIMITED ENERGY SPECIALTY LICENSE when I contract directly to the public.

Understand now?

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Joe" wrote in message
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I'm all with you on not having to be a P.E. to be an "engineer" but
I
thought every state had the same requirement that you must be a P.E.
to
work
directly to the public as an engineer, or to submit building plans.

Shows just what you know! Now you say you must be an engineer to
"submit building plans"???? What a stupid, stupid man!!!

Stamp plans.

Now are you saying you must be a P.E. to "stamp plans"? You're getting
dumber and dumber, I think because you are trying to worm out of your
lie.

Are *you* now saying that a P.E. license is not required on completed
construction plans that submitted for permitting?
Hell, here in Florida you cant even build a deck on your house without a
P.E's stamp on the plans.

Please show where I said I was PERSONALLY licensed in 27 states. Now,
are you licensed in Georgia, as an engineer, as you previously stated,
or are you a contractor?

Can't keep up with all your lies can you?

You ignorant putz!!!! Can you take ANYTHING in context, JoeTechnician?

You said-
"I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design"

How am I taking this out of context?

this is what I said:
I'm now licensed in 27 states, work for
an engineering company that's specialty is large industrial design.

Now, I could see how someone could take this to me that me, myself was
licensed in 27 states, I'll grant you that. BUT, the meaning was the
COMPANY is licensed in 27 states.

You now admit that you said it, but now you didn't mean it? You are too
much.
Face it, you lied, and you got caught.
You got caught lying about the exact same thing you accused me of by stating
" I'm now licensed in 27 states"
The only difference is that I never stated that I was a Licensed Engineer.

At least I got you to admit that you *are* JimDandy.

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Maybe in your state.
If the laws in Georgia are that lax, it would go a long way in explaining
how you were able to get your P.E. license.

"Joe" wrote in message news:u9Y_a.12055
The only difference is that I never stated that I was a Licensed Engineer.

Really? What was the statement you made saying that you were "A
communications engineer, licensed in Florida, and Georgia about? And,
again, I ask, you have stated that you have reciprocity in Georgia,
did you not? Reciprocity for WHAT?

At least I got you to admit that you *are* JimDandy.

Now, why would you need reciprocity for a CONTRACTOR'S license? You
can pay a few bucks and get a contractor's license in almost ANY
state.

Maybe in your state.
If the laws in Georgia are that lax, it would go a long way in explaining
how you were able to get your P.E. license.

Please tell us, what did you receive reciprocity for in Georgia?

"Joe" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"Joe" wrote in message
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I'm all with you on not having to be a P.E. to be an "engineer" but
I
thought every state had the same requirement that you must be a P.E.
to
work
directly to the public as an engineer, or to submit building plans.

Shows just what you know! Now you say you must be an engineer to
"submit building plans"???? What a stupid, stupid man!!!

Stamp plans.

Now are you saying you must be a P.E. to "stamp plans"? You're getting
dumber and dumber, I think because you are trying to worm out of your
lie.

Are *you* now saying that a P.E. license is not required on completed
construction plans that submitted for permitting?

Yes. I am.

Hell, here in Florida you cant even build a deck on your house without a
P.E's stamp on the plans.

Bull****. On projects with a total cost of $100,000 or less, in most
states, a principal designer (like an architect, etc.) can also stamp,
sign and submit for approval engineering documents. If
self-constructed and less than $20,000, no stamp is needed.

"Joe" wrote in message ...
Actually you pay a lot of bucks. Take a test on law and trade, and most
states have an experience requirement. Much like a PE.
Bill

Typical in Georgia is around $100.00. Test is simple, takes about 1
1/2 hours. No experience necessary.

No experience necessary?
They give out Electrical Contractors licenses to people with NO experience
in Georgia?

In Florida for the license I hold you must fit into one of the following
experience categories-

Licensed as an Electrical Professional Engineer for 3 of the past 12 years.
Management experience in the trade for 3 of the past 6 years.
Foreman, Supervisor, or contractor in the trade for 4 of the past 8 years.
Technical education or broad experience associated with electrical or alarm
systems for 6 of the last 12 years

You must also list 5 jobs for each year of experience with contact
information, dates, and description of work performed.
All of this experience must be verifiable and W-2 forms provided for each
year.

In addition to the required experience you must provide a complete credit
report, verification of cash in the bank, a personal financial statement
prepared by a CPA, and a personal background check at the county, state and
federal levels.

After you complete all required paperwork it must be approved by the DBPR at
their quarterly meeting.
Once approved your are scheduled to sit for the test which will usually be 3
months after approval.

The test is a 5 hour test comprised of 100 questions on topics including
theory and electrical principals, wiring and protection, OSHA laws, business
law, and schematics and diagram interpretation.
The passing rate is approximately 50%
After passing the test, you must provide a copy your of liability and
workman's comp insurance to the state and if your lucky you will receive
your license 12 weeks after passing the test.

The whole process will take approx 9 months and with fees and books will
cost you $900.
Licensed Electrical Contractors are also required to take 14 hours of
continuing education during each biennium.

So, in Florida at least, not "everybody" can get a contractors license.

Wow,JoeTechnician, that must be just horrible! How DID you ever get
through such agony?
You've come a long way, I'll say that. Now you are admitting, that,
instead of being an engineer licensed in Florida, with reciprocity in
Georgia, that you are a contractor

"Joe" wrote in message ...
Please keep it a secret that I pull wire.
I wouldn't want my current employer to know that a "wire puller" is
designing their new long haul SONET network.

Yeah, sure, JoeTechnician. You've been caught in a very long winded
lie. Should I recap just exactly what you've claimed-

Dont bother, I'll do it for you.
Here is exactly what I stated, in order from" The Bush Economy Stinks...and
Sinks" thread

1- I am an Engineer.

2- My title is "Telecommunications Infrastructure Engineer". I am licensed
in
Fl and Ga as a Limited Energy Specialist, and hold the professional
designation of RCDD. (Registered Communications Distribution Designer)

3- Not required nor available for Communications Engineering in FL or GA.
RCDD is the industry standard for communications engineering. 90% plus large
industry/government contracts require an RCDD stamped approval for all
communications design plans, and an RCDD onsite during installation for
QA/QC and PM.

4- Hey Asslicker, I never said I was a P.E.
Only 1 in 5 engineers are, or need to be. My specialty comes under Division
16 (Electrical) and must be stamped by a PE after my design.
5- I NEVER said I was an Registered Engineer in Georgia and Florida. I said
I
was licensed in Fl with (reciprocity in GA) as a Limited Energy Specialist.
I specifically stated that I was a "Telecommunications Infrastructure
Engineer".
6- One last time I shall try to explain to you.
I am an Engineer. A Telecommunications Engineer. My degree, experience,
responsibilities, and duties dictate this title within my organization.
I do ALL of the Telecommunications Engineering. My plans are inserted into
the Division 16 plans, and stamped by a P.E. when completed.
I am NOT a P.E., nor Registered, nor Certified, and never stated so.
I do NOT currently offer my services directly to the public. I work for an
Engineering Firm.
My title within my organization is legal, you may dispute this but it is
true. Read the law thoroughly.

The BICSI Registered Communications Distribution Designer (RCDD)
certification that I hold is required on most large contracts, from the
Engineering of the systems through to the project management and QC of the
installation. This has been added to most specifications due to the limited
knowledge of these systems by most P.E.'s. It may hurt your feelings but
most customers do NOT want a P.E. designing their communications
infrastructure.

My Limited Energy Specialty License is not required in my present position.
This license allows me to do all of the designing, pulling of permits,
hiring crews, etc, for any communications infrastructure or low voltage
projects in Fl, and Ga for which I directly contract with the public. I do
not need a P.E. to stamp my plans when contracting to the customer in
existing buildings. I submit my plans directly to the County in which the
work is performed.
I can not publicly advertise myself as an Engineer when contracting in this
role nor ever said I could.

TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE ENGINEER within my current organization.
RCDD since it is required on most large contracts.
LIMITED ENERGY SPECIALTY LICENSE when I contract directly to the public.

Understand now?

Absolutely, I've always understood:

You are not recognized in ANY state as an engineer.
You are a contractor.
Reciprocity in Georgia is a lie. You can't get reciprocity for a
contractor's license.
In the next post, you stated that in Florida, that a person can't even
build a deck without a PE stamping drawings to be submitted, but now
you claim that you can design, and build a complete communciations
infrastructure without having drawings stamped and signed by a PE??
Anybody can call THEMSELVES an engineer, including the man that picks
up my garbage. I think I'll call my wife, who owns a daycare center, a
Childcare Engineer. While I'm at it, I'll just tell everybody she's
licensed in Georgia, and has reciprocity in Florida...yeah, that's
it!!!

Wow,JoeTechnician, that must be just horrible! How DID you ever get
through such agony?
You've come a long way, I'll say that. Now you are admitting, that,
instead of being an engineer licensed in Florida, with reciprocity in
Georgia, that you are a contractor

Telecommunications Engineer, with a contractors license.
Dummy.