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*JimH* wrote: "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously. For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life. He has yet to prove it to me despit the fact that I have tried to be nice to him. The gloves are off for me with Krause and Gould but I will continue to treat Don with respect. Maybe he can change. The gloves are off? Whenever were they on? Here's hoping Don doesn't "change" to conform to the juvenile standards of a guy who posts insulting desctions of old photos on the internet. |
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wrote in message oups.com... Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Skipper wrote: *JimH* wrote: GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course). I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a week ago. I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including the fact that continue to claim that you apologized to me for your whopper of a lie about me. As with most used car salesman types, it would appear Chucky is clueless regarding the differences or dividing line between truth and lies. You are dealing with a pretty low class individual. But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It seems that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover you for the pathetic person you really are. Chucky will make that disclosure himself...by his actions and obfuscation of the truth. PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your lies about me. Chucky just doesn't possess the class needed to offer that overdue apology. -- Skipper Oh boy! Now we have Twiddle Dee & Twiddle Dumb talking back & forth. Why don't you buy a small boat between the two of you, take Bertie along for ballast, and go for a nice long cruise. I was just thinking almost the same thing... Now we've got Hertvik the Whiner back, along with PseudoSkipper. Aren't we lucky? I'll bet you that when Hertvik was in high school, not a week went by without someone punching out his lights. Have you ever encountered an adult male (I use that term loosely) who whines as much in usenet as Hertvik? I'm guessing he hung out with 'the girls'. (I'm entitled to a return salvo.....) Naw, see his software post just up this thread. He spent his time "playing with it to see if it really works". And indeed it does....just fine. ;-) So why are you, Krause and Don fascinated with *it*? Should we read something into that? |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously. For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life. He has yet to prove it to me despit the fact that I have tried to be nice to him. The gloves are off for me with Krause and Gould but I will continue to treat Don with respect. Maybe he can change. The gloves are off? Whenever were they on? Here's hoping Don doesn't "change" to conform to the juvenile standards of a guy who posts insulting desctions of old photos on the internet. Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you. http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-b...y_Sep_16,_1:00 Are you ashamed of what you look like Chuck? BTW: Still waiting for a link to that *attack* post you claimed I recently wrote. ;-) |
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Starbucker wrote:
JimH, Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously. For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life. Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) ...and yes I know...Chuck certainly doesn't need me butting in.....*but*.. |
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Chuck,
I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund raising. The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org , http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is normally a red flag. What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising? This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to look at the charity closely before contributing. wrote in message oups.com... Psuedo, you're a simpering dweeb. Here are a couple of links to sites that describe some of the work done by the organization with which I was once associated. As you say, the NG has many bright members who can decide for themselves (assuming they gave a ratz patoot in the first place)whether your charge that I was engaged in a dishonest business and involved in "tax fraud" has any merit or not. There were some abuses throughout the entire boat donation industry, and the firm I worked with was probably not a vestal virgin. No business (or person) is perfect, or absolutely ethical 24/7/365. That business morality doesn't automatically reflect on the morality or the ethics of everybody involved. In recent years, we have seen many news accounts of pedophile priests and attempts by bishops, etc, to cover up the crimes of these guys and just transfer them from church to church rather than deal with the problem. I assume, by your standards, that if ever you meet a priest you're going to assume he's a pedophile? If there are 10 people working in a church and it is ultimately discovered that the priest has been having his way with the altar boys in the confession booth, would you consider the church secretary, the janitor, etc etc etc pedophiles as well? Would you consider any church to be the domain of a pedophile? Still have any of that literature you claim I gave you 6 or 7 years ago? If so, take a look at it. Every page had bold statements urging people considering the donation of a boat to check with their own attorney or tax professional before going ahead. Most did, and some of them discovered that for various reasons, (such as AMT, specific bracketing, etc), it wouldn't be a good idea to proceed. Fine. In my role, I wasn't in the business of giving tax advice but I could explain the mechanics of the program as it would be implemented for people who chose to make a donation. We continuously urged prospective donors to get some independent advice before donating. http://www.miami.edu/campaign/donors...s_dp_aims.html http://www.aims-nw.org/seattleservice.htm http://www.mpcfaculty.net/tami_lunsf...returnsweb.pdf http://www.miami.edu/campaign/donors...s_dp_aims.html As far as I'm concerned, that's my portion of this "discussion". GFYS. (go fantasize you're skipper) |
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*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Skipper wrote: *JimH* wrote: GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course). I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a week ago. I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including the fact that continue to claim that you apologized to me for your whopper of a lie about me. As with most used car salesman types, it would appear Chucky is clueless regarding the differences or dividing line between truth and lies. You are dealing with a pretty low class individual. But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It seems that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover you for the pathetic person you really are. Chucky will make that disclosure himself...by his actions and obfuscation of the truth. PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your lies about me. Chucky just doesn't possess the class needed to offer that overdue apology. -- Skipper Oh boy! Now we have Twiddle Dee & Twiddle Dumb talking back & forth. Why don't you buy a small boat between the two of you, take Bertie along for ballast, and go for a nice long cruise. I was just thinking almost the same thing... Now we've got Hertvik the Whiner back, along with PseudoSkipper. Aren't we lucky? I'll bet you that when Hertvik was in high school, not a week went by without someone punching out his lights. Have you ever encountered an adult male (I use that term loosely) who whines as much in usenet as Hertvik? I'm guessing he hung out with 'the girls'. (I'm entitled to a return salvo.....) Naw, see his software post just up this thread. He spent his time "playing with it to see if it really works". And indeed it does....just fine. ;-) So why are you, Krause and Don fascinated with *it*? Should we read something into that? No, but I'm distressed to hear that you have aged to the point where you're reduced to playing with "software". Too bad. Still pretty much a hardware guy myself, (knock on "wood"). As far as your upthread demand that I produce your "attack post"...wherever do you suppose I'd find one? I sure didn't see your name on that list of people known to be nasty arse flamers in the NG.....oh, but wait,...you provided the list (and everybody on it was a liberal, imagine)...... |
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Skipper wrote:
Krause, Gould and Don White have always been nasty. Their "contributions" are the major reason this NG is now in the toilet. -- Skipper Well, thank the Lord you're back. Maybe things will improve.....! |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Starbucker wrote: JimH, Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously. For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life. Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that your option. |
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wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Don White wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Don White wrote: Skipper wrote: *JimH* wrote: GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course). I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a week ago. I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including the fact that continue to claim that you apologized to me for your whopper of a lie about me. As with most used car salesman types, it would appear Chucky is clueless regarding the differences or dividing line between truth and lies. You are dealing with a pretty low class individual. But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It seems that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover you for the pathetic person you really are. Chucky will make that disclosure himself...by his actions and obfuscation of the truth. PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your lies about me. Chucky just doesn't possess the class needed to offer that overdue apology. -- Skipper Oh boy! Now we have Twiddle Dee & Twiddle Dumb talking back & forth. Why don't you buy a small boat between the two of you, take Bertie along for ballast, and go for a nice long cruise. I was just thinking almost the same thing... Now we've got Hertvik the Whiner back, along with PseudoSkipper. Aren't we lucky? I'll bet you that when Hertvik was in high school, not a week went by without someone punching out his lights. Have you ever encountered an adult male (I use that term loosely) who whines as much in usenet as Hertvik? I'm guessing he hung out with 'the girls'. (I'm entitled to a return salvo.....) Naw, see his software post just up this thread. He spent his time "playing with it to see if it really works". And indeed it does....just fine. ;-) So why are you, Krause and Don fascinated with *it*? Should we read something into that? No, but I'm distressed to hear that you have aged to the point where you're reduced to playing with "software". Too bad. Still pretty much a hardware guy myself, (knock on "wood"). As far as your upthread demand that I produce your "attack post"...wherever do you suppose I'd find one? I don't know. So where is the recent *attack* post on you that you stated I authored in your post on October 3rd? You made the claim. If you cannot produce it I will just assume this is yet another Chuckie lie. Have a nice day Chuckles. |
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*JimH* wrote:
If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. |
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Starbucker wrote: Chuck, I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund raising. The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org , http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is normally a red flag. What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising? This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to look at the charity closely before contributing. I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved "bargain sale") Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs. Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3. I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration and fund raising than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage, etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15% bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and resold). Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time. When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in. During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and programs expanded as a result. The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And, it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first place. We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I can't remember which lists those were. Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late 90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here, I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash was a good idea.)) |
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And kevin wonders why he is the "King of the NG idiots" ????
"PocoLoco" wrote in message ... On 11 Oct 2005 09:33:07 -0700, wrote: *JimH* wrote: "Skipper" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: GFYS. Psuedo. (Stands for: Go fantasize you're Skipper, of course). I have caught up on what you have written since I have left over a week ago. I see you still perpetuate the lies about me, including the fact that continue to claim that you apologized to me for your whopper of a lie about me. As with most used car salesman types, it would appear Chucky is clueless regarding the differences or dividing line between truth and lies. You are dealing with a pretty low class individual. But how fun it is to see you twist and turn like this Chuckles. It seems that Old Skipper has struck a raw nerve and is about to uncover you for the pathetic person you really are. Chucky will make that disclosure himself...by his actions and obfuscation of the truth. PS. I am still waiting to see the *attack post* you accused me of writing about you. I am also still waiting for a real apology from you for your lies about me. Chucky just doesn't possess the class needed to offer that overdue apology. -- Skipper While away over the past week I was able to stumble upon a new piece of software used by national and international police and security organizations including the FBI, CIA, Interpol and KGB. The software is able to show a physical image of a person once a variety of personality traits and other characteristics/known facts are entered about the person in question. I played with the software to see if it really works. Here are my results: Traits: Brutal, rape room, inhuman, dictator, murderer, cold blooded, torture chamber, Anti-Christ Result: http://tinyurl.com/7chfb Traits: Charming, beautiful, stunning, extraordinary talent, film star, royalty. Results: http://tinyurl.com/bffps http://tinyurl.com/bgrua Traits: Liar, unethical, egotistical, ultra liberal, coward Result: http://tinyurl.com/b9z6z The software really is amazingly accurate! What a shame you're back. The overall tone of the group was quite nice while you were gone, except for all of the Smithers clones. Even Fritz shut his ignorant mouth. (I think that's because he missed giving you your daily nose job, though) Did you forget about *your* posts and those of Harrry? -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:06 -0400, *JimH* wrote:
Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you. http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-b...y_Sep_16,_1:00 Here's another one from about that same time period. http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html Nice site, by the way. |
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Chuck,
Many legitimate charities accept car and boat donations http://www.donateacar.com/charities.html, why would someone want to use the AIMS Charity to donate their boat verses the ones listed on this web site. You seem like someone who likes to help the less fortunate, don't you try to find the most efficient charity before contributing your time, talent or money to the charity? Did AIMS offer a higher value, and thus a higher tax write off than the larger charities? wrote in message oups.com... Starbucker wrote: Chuck, I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund raising. The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org , http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is normally a red flag. What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising? This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to look at the charity closely before contributing. I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved "bargain sale") Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs. Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3. I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration and fund raising than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage, etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15% bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and resold). Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time. When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in. During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and programs expanded as a result. The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And, it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first place. We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I can't remember which lists those were. Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late 90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here, I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash was a good idea.)) |
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*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. |
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JimH,
I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my life. The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. |
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Often it is not a matter of extending life, but simply providing the best
quality of life left.........my grandfather had a stroke that left him still aware, but unable to care for himself for 8 years......had it not been for availible family members to care for gim, he would have had to been placed in a nursing home. What I really do not understand are the 50 something people that place their parents in nursing homes only because they do not want to be inconvienced......that then visit them at best, once a month. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my life. The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. |
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Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea
what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive) I will address them anyway. No one was extending her life. She was a fighter. Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia. She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad. Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general. I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my life. The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. |
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I agree. I always ignore Don's little barbs my way because he is classy
enough to take care of his 91 yr old mother. Even if she is in good health, and doesn't need nursing care, it still can be trying for two independent people to suddenly move in together. I believe in Karma, and this selfish act, will come back to Don. Heck, he might live a long full life, and then die a quick painless death. ; ) "P Fritz" wrote in message ... Often it is not a matter of extending life, but simply providing the best quality of life left.........my grandfather had a stroke that left him still aware, but unable to care for himself for 8 years......had it not been for availible family members to care for gim, he would have had to been placed in a nursing home. What I really do not understand are the 50 something people that place their parents in nursing homes only because they do not want to be inconvienced......that then visit them at best, once a month. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my life. The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. |
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JimH,
Take a long deep breath, and calm down. I have no idea of your mom's situation, and said that right up front. I also said I was not judging or commenting on you or your mom's situation. I also do not endorse euthanasia. My comment was a comment on society in general, and yes our medical ability can prolong someone's life beyond their normal life span. I wish more doctors would say, "it is a good day to die", instead of "what can I do to keep this person alive a little longer". My father was on a DNR in the hospital, and I stayed with him for his last week. I saw the people in his ward who were kept alive way belong their time. The people who were in a coma, wheeling into dialysis, even though they were 80 and in a coma. I stayed with my father to make sure he was allowed to die, and a the doctors followed his wishes. You should not be insulted about my comments in anyway, since it was not directed towards you or anyone in particular. It is my opinion, and one endorsed by many in the medical profession. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive) I will address them anyway. No one was extending her life. She was a fighter. Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia. She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad. Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general. I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my life. The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up. " *JimH*" wrote in message ... "Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck. Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don? (I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck) If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed then that's your option. Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'! Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day, and that is a good thing. How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said I also applaud you for taking care of her. She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month. My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. |
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No need for me to calm down. Anyone recently losing a loved one,
especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with dementia and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your general remarks about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not caring about their loved ones quality of life. Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say. Peace. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Take a long deep breath, and calm down. snip |
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*JimH* wrote:
My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. Sorry to hear about your mom. Mine took a stroke 3 months after moving in with me(Feb 2003). Looked dicey in the hospital, but after 2 months there, she was able to walk with a walker/rollator. She bought herself a good quality wheelchair and a good rollator and has been doing pretty good. At this point it's getting hard to get her to exercise (walk around the block etc) because of knee problems. As long as she's able to feed herself (not cook) and go to the bathroom, she great here. I don't think too much about the next step ...putting her in a home... We'll deal with that when the time comes. |
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I can't wait to see Skippers response to this.
wrote in message oups.com... Starbucker wrote: Chuck, I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund raising. The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org , http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is normally a red flag. What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising? This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to look at the charity closely before contributing. I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved "bargain sale") Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs. Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3. I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration and fund raising than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage, etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15% bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and resold). Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time. When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in. During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and programs expanded as a result. The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And, it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first place. We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I can't remember which lists those were. Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late 90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here, I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash was a good idea.)) |
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Harry,
Are you playing JimH? "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. *JimH* wrote: No need for me to calm down. Anyone recently losing a loved one, especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with dementia and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your general remarks about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not caring about their loved ones quality of life. Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say. Peace. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Take a long deep breath, and calm down. snip Congratulations. You've been played by Smithers. |
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"Don White" wrote in message ... *JimH* wrote: My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was being cared for properly. Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very impressive. Sorry to hear about your mom. Mine took a stroke 3 months after moving in with me(Feb 2003). Looked dicey in the hospital, but after 2 months there, she was able to walk with a walker/rollator. She bought herself a good quality wheelchair and a good rollator and has been doing pretty good. At this point it's getting hard to get her to exercise (walk around the block etc) because of knee problems. As long as she's able to feed herself (not cook) and go to the bathroom, she great here. I don't think too much about the next step ...putting her in a home... We'll deal with that when the time comes. That is the best way to do it Don. No one wants to see their loved one in a nursing home and no use thinking about it. Glad to hear she is still fairly capable of taking care of herself. |
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*JimH* wrote: Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive) I will address them anyway. No one was extending her life. She was a fighter. Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia. She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad. Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general. I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life. Gee, that's odd, Jim. You don't seem to mind fabricating stories about my dead mother. You also don't seem to mind saying nasty little remarks about my dead mother. Because of your lying, nasty, mean spirited bull**** you deserve everything you get here. Now be a man. |
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No, he is not.
Now how about dropping it already Jim (Gallow). "Starbucker" wrote in message ... Harry, Are you playing JimH? "Harry Krause" wrote in message . .. *JimH* wrote: No need for me to calm down. Anyone recently losing a loved one, especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with dementia and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your general remarks about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not caring about their loved ones quality of life. Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say. Peace. "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Take a long deep breath, and calm down. snip Congratulations. You've been played by Smithers. |
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Starbucker wrote: Chuck, Many legitimate charities accept car and boat donations http://www.donateacar.com/charities.html, why would someone want to use the AIMS Charity to donate their boat verses the ones listed on this web site. Primarily because of the structure of the proposal itself. Any number of organizations will take almost anything of value you'd care to give them free of charge. Very few organizations will enter into an IRS approved "bargain sale". Example: Joe Doaks is trying to sell a boat. He owes $25,000 on a marine mortgage secured by the boat, and every month the boat remains unsold costs him about $1000 in moorage, interest, insurance, maintenance, etc. If he calls "lighthouse for the blind" or something of that sort, they will be happy to accept title to his boat- after he's borrowed $25k against his house or pulled the money out of savings to clear the title. Let's say that an independent appraiser, (marine surveyor), has inspected Joe's boat and written an expert opinion that the vessel is worth $125,000. After shelling out the $25k needed to clear the title, Joe will get a tax write-off of an amount equal to the fair market value of the vessel. If Joe was in the old 40% bracket, that tax write off would save him $50,000 in taxes. ( There were limitations on the amount that could be deducted in any one year, based upon a percentage of AGI. If Joe couldn't use the entire $50k in one year, he could carry it forward). Under a "bargain sale", Joe surrenders his boat for a combination of cash and charitable donation. In the above example, an organization might offer Joe $25,000 in cash for the title to his boat (enough to clear up the loan without taking out a mortgage on his house or depleting his savings). Based on the expert opinion of an independent appraiser, Joe could take a tax write-off of the fair market value of the vessel less the bargain sale cash. $125,000 FMV less $25,000 bargain sale cash would leave a tax write-off of $100,000. In the old 40% bracket, that would leave Joe with a $40,000 tax savings. Joe effectively realizes $65,000 under the bargain sale approach ($40k tax savings plus $25k cash) rather than $50,000 under the "straight give-away" approach, and isn't stuck paying for a boat that is long gone. You seem like someone who likes to help the less fortunate, don't you try to find the most efficient charity before contributing your time, talent or money to the charity? Contribute?? I was a paid fund raiser. It was my livlihood. I don't remember ever applying anywhere for sainthood. :-) The organization got a highly effective fundraiser in exchange for a very attractive income. (15% X 1 boat a week average: do the math- but there were a few pretty cheap boats in the mix here and there). I took a pretty fair chunk of cash out of that arrangement, but for every 15 cents I took out there was 85 cents left over. I saw the local branch of the organization hire three full-time school teachers to present programs in public and private schools. I watched it fund and staff a boat-based summer camp for school kids. I actually participated in some programs, chiefly by skippering some boatloads of disadvantaged kids on educational cruises around Lake Union and Lake Washington. Etc, etc. The honest answer is I can't tell you how much of the 85-cents I passed through to the organization was used for programs vs. overhead, and for reasons explained up the thread. Exactly because the individual deals were as lucrative as they were, there was no need to misrepresent the program to people. If we got five leads a week and four fully informed prospects said "no thanks, it's not for me at this time" there was still more than enough money to be made doing business with the one fully informed prospect who felt it was time to just get rid of that darned old boat. :-) Only people with very little talent for sales need to lie and cheat their way to a deal. Good salespeople can operate honestly, and a sharp and ethical salesperson will always make a lot more money than a crooked one...(the closing ratio is that much higher). Did AIMS offer a higher value, and thus a higher tax write off than the larger charities? No. We didn't offer or suggest any value at all. Values were determined by independent marine surveyors, and those same surveys (paid for by the potential donors) could be used to donate a boat to any organization of the donor's choice. We had some cases where a donor's boat wouldn't survey as highly as the donor hoped it would and a transaction would fall apart as a result. We had other cases where the potential donor did wind up using the survey value to donate to another organization. Fine, no problem. There was enough money in the deals that did go through to carry on rather nicely. wrote in message oups.com... Starbucker wrote: Chuck, I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund raising. The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org , http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is normally a red flag. What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising? This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to look at the charity closely before contributing. I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved "bargain sale") Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs. Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3. I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration and fund raising than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage, etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15% bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and resold). Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time. When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in. During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and programs expanded as a result. The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And, it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first place. We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I can't remember which lists those were. Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late 90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here, I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash was a good idea.)) |
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Chuck,
You answered my question as to why someone would use AIM for their boat donation, Thanks, wrote in message oups.com... Starbucker wrote: Chuck, Many legitimate charities accept car and boat donations http://www.donateacar.com/charities.html, why would someone want to use the AIMS Charity to donate their boat verses the ones listed on this web site. Primarily because of the structure of the proposal itself. Any number of organizations will take almost anything of value you'd care to give them free of charge. Very few organizations will enter into an IRS approved "bargain sale". Example: Joe Doaks is trying to sell a boat. He owes $25,000 on a marine mortgage secured by the boat, and every month the boat remains unsold costs him about $1000 in moorage, interest, insurance, maintenance, etc. If he calls "lighthouse for the blind" or something of that sort, they will be happy to accept title to his boat- after he's borrowed $25k against his house or pulled the money out of savings to clear the title. Let's say that an independent appraiser, (marine surveyor), has inspected Joe's boat and written an expert opinion that the vessel is worth $125,000. After shelling out the $25k needed to clear the title, Joe will get a tax write-off of an amount equal to the fair market value of the vessel. If Joe was in the old 40% bracket, that tax write off would save him $50,000 in taxes. ( There were limitations on the amount that could be deducted in any one year, based upon a percentage of AGI. If Joe couldn't use the entire $50k in one year, he could carry it forward). Under a "bargain sale", Joe surrenders his boat for a combination of cash and charitable donation. In the above example, an organization might offer Joe $25,000 in cash for the title to his boat (enough to clear up the loan without taking out a mortgage on his house or depleting his savings). Based on the expert opinion of an independent appraiser, Joe could take a tax write-off of the fair market value of the vessel less the bargain sale cash. $125,000 FMV less $25,000 bargain sale cash would leave a tax write-off of $100,000. In the old 40% bracket, that would leave Joe with a $40,000 tax savings. Joe effectively realizes $65,000 under the bargain sale approach ($40k tax savings plus $25k cash) rather than $50,000 under the "straight give-away" approach, and isn't stuck paying for a boat that is long gone. You seem like someone who likes to help the less fortunate, don't you try to find the most efficient charity before contributing your time, talent or money to the charity? Contribute?? I was a paid fund raiser. It was my livlihood. I don't remember ever applying anywhere for sainthood. :-) The organization got a highly effective fundraiser in exchange for a very attractive income. (15% X 1 boat a week average: do the math- but there were a few pretty cheap boats in the mix here and there). I took a pretty fair chunk of cash out of that arrangement, but for every 15 cents I took out there was 85 cents left over. I saw the local branch of the organization hire three full-time school teachers to present programs in public and private schools. I watched it fund and staff a boat-based summer camp for school kids. I actually participated in some programs, chiefly by skippering some boatloads of disadvantaged kids on educational cruises around Lake Union and Lake Washington. Etc, etc. The honest answer is I can't tell you how much of the 85-cents I passed through to the organization was used for programs vs. overhead, and for reasons explained up the thread. Exactly because the individual deals were as lucrative as they were, there was no need to misrepresent the program to people. If we got five leads a week and four fully informed prospects said "no thanks, it's not for me at this time" there was still more than enough money to be made doing business with the one fully informed prospect who felt it was time to just get rid of that darned old boat. :-) Only people with very little talent for sales need to lie and cheat their way to a deal. Good salespeople can operate honestly, and a sharp and ethical salesperson will always make a lot more money than a crooked one...(the closing ratio is that much higher). Did AIMS offer a higher value, and thus a higher tax write off than the larger charities? No. We didn't offer or suggest any value at all. Values were determined by independent marine surveyors, and those same surveys (paid for by the potential donors) could be used to donate a boat to any organization of the donor's choice. We had some cases where a donor's boat wouldn't survey as highly as the donor hoped it would and a transaction would fall apart as a result. We had other cases where the potential donor did wind up using the survey value to donate to another organization. Fine, no problem. There was enough money in the deals that did go through to carry on rather nicely. wrote in message oups.com... Starbucker wrote: Chuck, I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely reputable and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund raising. The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for evaluating reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org , http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This is normally a red flag. What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising? This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag to look at the charity closely before contributing. I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved "bargain sale") Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs. Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3. I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration and fund raising than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage, etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15% bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and resold). Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time. When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in. During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and programs expanded as a result. The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And, it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first place. We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I can't remember which lists those were. Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late 90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here, I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash was a good idea.)) |
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"PocoLoco" wrote in message ... On 11 Oct 2005 13:42:37 -0700, wrote: *JimH* wrote: Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive) I will address them anyway. No one was extending her life. She was a fighter. Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia. She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad. Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general. I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life. Gee, that's odd, Jim. You don't seem to mind fabricating stories about my dead mother. You also don't seem to mind saying nasty little remarks about my dead mother. Because of your lying, nasty, mean spirited bull**** you deserve everything you get here. Now be a man. Gee, Kevin, I can't remember *anyone* making nasty remarks about your dead mother. Did you just make that up along with the other things you make up? -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan Another fabricated story. Another lie. How many times do we have to see this tactic before we just dismiss it as fiction? It seems like quite a common tactic by many on the left.....accuse someone of a dastardly deed but never produce the proof of the claim when asked. We even see that on a National scale. How convenient. How pathetic. Another case in point.......Gould claimed on 10-3 that I recently posted a particularly nasty *attack* post about him. When asked to produce that post has come up empty. How typical. How pathetic. Now Kevin is claiming I posted nasty remarks about his Mother. So I ask once again.........care to produce that post Kevin? More attacks. More lies. yawn |
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On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:55:20 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
"PocoLoco" wrote in message .. . On 11 Oct 2005 13:42:37 -0700, wrote: *JimH* wrote: Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive) I will address them anyway. No one was extending her life. She was a fighter. Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia. She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad. Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general. I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life. Gee, that's odd, Jim. You don't seem to mind fabricating stories about my dead mother. You also don't seem to mind saying nasty little remarks about my dead mother. Because of your lying, nasty, mean spirited bull**** you deserve everything you get here. Now be a man. Gee, Kevin, I can't remember *anyone* making nasty remarks about your dead mother. Did you just make that up along with the other things you make up? -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan Another fabricated story. Another lie. How many times do we have to see this tactic before we just dismiss it as fiction? It seems like quite a common tactic by many on the left.....accuse someone of a dastardly deed but never produce the proof of the claim when asked. We even see that on a National scale. How convenient. How pathetic. Another case in point.......Gould claimed on 10-3 that I recently posted a particularly nasty *attack* post about him. When asked to produce that post has come up empty. How typical. How pathetic. Now Kevin is claiming I posted nasty remarks about his Mother. So I ask once again.........care to produce that post Kevin? More attacks. More lies. yawn DSK has me calling him filthy names, Kevin has you making nasty remarks about his dead mother. No telling what Harry's latest are. Life must be hell. -- John H "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant: It's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan |
Old Tyme Boat Brochure Photos, Amusing attire
wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously. For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life. He has yet to prove it to me despit the fact that I have tried to be nice to him. The gloves are off for me with Krause and Gould but I will continue to treat Don with respect. Maybe he can change. Here's hoping Don doesn't "change" to conform to the juvenile standards of a guy who posts insulting desctions of old photos on the internet. Yep....we finally agree........the photo I posted of you (taken directly from the internet) was indeed insulting and tough on the eyes. ;-) Now most folks would agree that earlier photos of them (as you claim this one is) are more flattering than those taken when one gets older. Yet based on your complaint you must be getting better looking the older you get. Eh? Seeing that *you* brought it up......how about some more recent photos of yourself Chuck? I would certainly not want to portray you in any sort of negative light of looking years older than you actually are. Now riddle me that. Hee-hee. ;-) |
Old Tyme Boat Brochure Photos, Amusing attire
thunder wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:06 -0400, *JimH* wrote: Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you. http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-b...y_Sep_16,_1:00 Here's another one from about that same time period. http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html Nice site, by the way. Can't be JimH. First the last name isn't the same, unless he uses a different handle in his career as a "Broadcast engineer". Second, that Jim H professes to be a writer. Not our guy. |
Old Tyme Boat Brochure Photos, Amusing attire
wrote in message oups.com... thunder wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:06 -0400, *JimH* wrote: Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you. http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-b...y_Sep_16,_1:00 Here's another one from about that same time period. http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html Nice site, by the way. Can't be JimH. Indeed. First the last name isn't the same, unless he uses a different handle in his career as a "Broadcast engineer". Second, that Jim H professes to be a writer. Not our guy. I professed to be a writer Chuck? Care to produce some proof or is this yet another of your "whopper" lies about me? |
Old Tyme Boat Brochure Photos, Amusing attire
" *JimH*" wrote in message ... wrote in message oups.com... thunder wrote: On Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:06 -0400, *JimH* wrote: Old photo? It was the only one I could find of you. http://www.boatsafloatshow.com/cgi-b...y_Sep_16,_1:00 Here's another one from about that same time period. http://continuouswave.com/jimh/index.html Nice site, by the way. Can't be JimH. Indeed. First the last name isn't the same, unless he uses a different handle in his career as a "Broadcast engineer". Second, that Jim H professes to be a writer. Not our guy. Edit: Delete. A mistake on my part. Yes, I have erasers on my pencils as I am only human. Sorry. |
Old Tyme Boat Brochure Photos, Amusing attire
*JimH* wrote: wrote in message oups.com... *JimH* wrote: "Starbucker" wrote in message ... JimH, Harry likes to engage you because he believes he can hurt your feelings. If you are smart, you will not take anything said in rec.boats seriously. For what it is worth, Don is not a bad guy, he is looking for support from Harry and the easy way to do that is to take potshots at those Harry insults. My guess is Don is a nice enough guy in real life. He has yet to prove it to me despit the fact that I have tried to be nice to him. The gloves are off for me with Krause and Gould but I will continue to treat Don with respect. Maybe he can change. Here's hoping Don doesn't "change" to conform to the juvenile standards of a guy who posts insulting desctions of old photos on the internet. Yep....we finally agree........the photo I posted of you (taken directly from the internet) was indeed insulting and tough on the eyes. ;-) Now most folks would agree that earlier photos of them (as you claim this one is) are more flattering than those taken when one gets older. Yet based on your complaint you must be getting better looking the older you get. Eh? Seeing that *you* brought it up......how about some more recent photos of yourself Chuck? I would certainly not want to portray you in any sort of negative light of looking years older than you actually are. If I had your email address, I'd send you a copy of my "jailhouse" photo from back in the Easy Rider era. :-) My obsessed fan club, (both of you) would get a real kick out of that one. No telling how many times you could post it to accompany your flame throwing. But alas, no email address so no picture for you. :-) Now riddle me that. Hee-hee. ;-) |
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