Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea
what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive)
I will address them anyway.

No one was extending her life. She was a fighter.

Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or
external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia.

She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad.

Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much
time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How
dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general.

I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and
family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life.




"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes
wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend
someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am not
making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is
my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend
my life.

The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up.


" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...


Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning
after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck.



Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don?



(I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck)



If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed
then that's your option.



Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'!



Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day,
and that is a good thing.

How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have said
I also applaud you for taking care of her.


She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month.

My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or
so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a
nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home
took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making
sure she was being cared for properly.

Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years
young............very impressive.

I agree. I always ignore Don's little barbs my way because he is classy
enough to take care of his 91 yr old mother. Even if she is in good health,
and doesn't need nursing care, it still can be trying for two independent
people to suddenly move in together.

I believe in Karma, and this selfish act, will come back to Don. Heck, he
might live a long full life, and then die a quick painless death. ; )


"P Fritz" wrote in message
...
Often it is not a matter of extending life, but simply providing the best
quality of life left.........my grandfather had a stroke that left him
still
aware, but unable to care for himself for 8 years......had it not been for
availible family members to care for gim, he would have had to been placed
in a nursing home.

What I really do not understand are the 50 something people that place
their
parents in nursing homes only because they do not want to be
inconvienced......that then visit them at best, once a month.

"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes
wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend
someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am
not
making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when it is
my
time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to extend my
life.

The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up.


" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...


Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning
after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck.



Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don?



(I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck)



If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed
then that's your option.



Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'!



Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day,
and
that is a good thing.

How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have
said
I also applaud you for taking care of her.


She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month.

My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or
so
years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a
nursing
home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took
quite
a
toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she
was
being cared for properly.

Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years
young............very
impressive.

JimH,
Take a long deep breath, and calm down. I have no idea of your mom's
situation, and said that right up front. I also said I was not judging or
commenting on you or your mom's situation. I also do not endorse
euthanasia.

My comment was a comment on society in general, and yes our medical ability
can prolong someone's life beyond their normal life span. I wish more
doctors would say, "it is a good day to die", instead of "what can I do to
keep this person alive a little longer".

My father was on a DNR in the hospital, and I stayed with him for his last
week. I saw the people in his ward who were kept alive way belong their
time. The people who were in a coma, wheeling into dialysis, even though
they were 80 and in a coma.
I stayed with my father to make sure he was allowed to die, and a the
doctors followed his wishes.

You should not be insulted about my comments in anyway, since it was not
directed towards you or anyone in particular. It is my opinion, and one
endorsed by many in the medical profession.


" *JimH*" wrote in message
...
Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea
what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed
alive) I will address them anyway.

No one was extending her life. She was a fighter.

Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or
external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia.

She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad.

Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so
much time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life".
How dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in
general.

I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom
and family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life.




"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
JimH,

I am sorry your mom had to suffer 8 yrs in a nursing home. I sometimes
wonder why as a society, we spend so much time money and effort to extend
someone's life with so little concern for their quality of life. I am
not making any judgment on you or your mom's situation, but I know when
it is my time to go, I have a living will limiting what anyone can do to
extend my life.

The ideal way to go is to go to sleep and not wake up.


" *JimH*" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:
"Don White" wrote in message
...


Not about Harry this time. First post I saw from JimH this morning
after his self-imposed exile, was what I took as a jab at Chuck.



Yep. And what did it have to do with you Don?



(I'm guessing that likeness on the Tinyurl is supposed to be Chuck)



If that is who you think it is based on the characteristics I listed
then that's your option.



Not quite like that. I'm getting to understand your 'MO'!



Good. We are getting to know each other better and better each day,
and that is a good thing.

How is your Mom doing Don? (an honest question). As others have
said I also applaud you for taking care of her.


She's doing fine, thanks. She hits 91 next month.

My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or
so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a
nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home
took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and
making sure she was being cared for properly.

Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years
young............very impressive.

No need for me to calm down. Anyone recently losing a loved one,
especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with dementia
and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your general remarks
about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not caring about their
loved ones quality of life.

Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say.

Peace.






"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
JimH,
Take a long deep breath, and calm down.

snip

*JimH* wrote:


My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or so
years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a nursing
home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home took quite a
toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making sure she was
being cared for properly.

Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years young............very
impressive.

Sorry to hear about your mom.
Mine took a stroke 3 months after moving in with me(Feb 2003).
Looked dicey in the hospital, but after 2 months there, she was able to
walk with a walker/rollator. She bought herself a good quality
wheelchair and a good rollator and has been doing pretty good. At this
point it's getting hard to get her to exercise (walk around the block
etc) because of knee problems. As long as she's able to feed herself
(not cook) and go to the bathroom, she great here.
I don't think too much about the next step ...putting her in a home...
We'll deal with that when the time comes.

I can't wait to see Skippers response to this.
wrote in message
oups.com...

Starbucker wrote:
Chuck,

I have always considered any charity that spends less than 10% of it's
contributions on administration and fund raising, as an extremely
reputable
and efficient charity. My favorite charity spends 3% on admin and fund
raising.

The BBB uses 35% for admin and fund raising as their criteria for
evaluating
reputable charities. The AIMS is not listed on www.Give.org ,
http://www.charitywatch.org/, or http://www.charitynavigator.org/. This
is
normally a red flag.

What percent of AIM's contributions are used for admin and fund raising?
This info was not available on AIMS web site, which is another red flag
to
look at the charity closely before contributing.

I never made any representations as to the specific percentages spent
for programs. I refered those inquiries to our accounting office. Very
few of the donors even gave a rats patoot about the nature of the org's
programs, they were all primarily interested in dumping their boat for
a combinatin of a little cash and a tax writeoff. (IRS approved
"bargain sale")

Less was spent on programs than could have been, but I know of a couple
of similar programs where almost *nothing* was spent on programs.
Enough was spent to qualify as a 501C3.
I am sure the organization spent far more than some on administration
and fund raising
than some groups and far less than others. One of the accounting
problems you run into with a "boat donation" organization is the very
high and continuing cost of maintaining donated vessels and moorage,
etc. There are more costs than are involved with a group that simply
deposits checks into a bank account and then writes smaller checks in
return. I can tell you that the overhead for my services was in the 15%
bracket, (of the boats that I personally received on donation and
resold).

Another challenge is that the percentage would vary from time to time.
When I joined up with this group in Seattle, they were having a real
tough go of it. Very few people were donating boats, and just paying
the office rent and keeping the lights turned on probably used up
something in the high double digits of the money actually coming in.
During the time I was there the number of donations just happened to go
up significantly, (we received an average of one boat per week) and
programs expanded as a result.

The organization may not appear on your approved charities list for a
number or reasons. One of which is that it, and most boat donation
programs, are now out of business due to a change in the tax law. And,
it may never have been run efficiently enough to qualify in the first
place.
We were on some approved lists when I was there in the late 90's, but I
can't remember which lists those were.

Your post is a perfect example. If you had approached me in the late
90's as a prospective boat donor with the concerns you expressed here,
I would have told you; "We do a significant amount funding and
charitable work. Our accounting office can give you more specific
details. Most of our donors are more motivated by the tax benefits than
by the exact nature of the work the Institute does, and the tax
benefits do not change based upon the administrative overhead of any
specific agency or organization. If after checking with your attorney
or tax advisor you want to make a donation but you are not satisfied
with the results of your research into our programs and would prefer to
donate elsewhere, that would be your option. I'm happy to explain who
we are and how the program works- you need to decide if it's the right
thing for you to do, or not. You can always sell your boat directly and
give the cash to whatever group you like." ((Of course 90% of the
boats we received on donations were from sellers who had despaired of
the sales process and just wanted to be "rid" of the boat, so few
thought that continuing a private sales process and donating the cash
was a good idea.))

Harry,
Are you playing JimH?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
*JimH* wrote:
No need for me to calm down. Anyone recently losing a loved one,
especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with
dementia and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your
general remarks about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not
caring about their loved ones quality of life.

Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say.

Peace.






"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
JimH,
Take a long deep breath, and calm down.

snip

Congratulations. You've been played by Smithers.

"Don White" wrote in message
...
*JimH* wrote:


My Mom passed away earlier this year. She suffered a stroke some 14 or
so years ago and went downhill from there, eventually ending up in a
nursing home for the past 8 or 9 years. Even being at a nursing home
took quite a toll on me and my sisters with weekly visitations and making
sure she was being cared for properly.

Glad to hear your Mom is doing well Don. 91 years
young............very impressive.
Sorry to hear about your mom.
Mine took a stroke 3 months after moving in with me(Feb 2003).
Looked dicey in the hospital, but after 2 months there, she was able to
walk with a walker/rollator. She bought herself a good quality wheelchair
and a good rollator and has been doing pretty good. At this point it's
getting hard to get her to exercise (walk around the block etc) because of
knee problems. As long as she's able to feed herself (not cook) and go to
the bathroom, she great here.
I don't think too much about the next step ...putting her in a home...
We'll deal with that when the time comes.

That is the best way to do it Don. No one wants to see their loved one in
a nursing home and no use thinking about it.

Glad to hear she is still fairly capable of taking care of herself.

*JimH* wrote:
Although I do find your comments to be over the edge (as you have no idea
what my Mom's situation was and have no right to judge how she stayed alive)
I will address them anyway.

No one was extending her life. She was a fighter.

Yes, she had a living will but she survived without any artificial or
external apparatus keeping her alive. We are not believers in euthanasia.

She lived her hell on earth and is now up in heaven with my Dad.

Frankly I was insulted by your reply, especially your comment about "so much
time and effort with so little concern for their quality of life". How
dare you make such a statement, even when talking about society in general.

I hope your parents and your family never have to go through what my Mom and
family did. But we did so with total regard for her quality of life.


Gee, that's odd, Jim. You don't seem to mind fabricating stories about
my dead mother. You also don't seem to mind saying nasty little remarks
about my dead mother. Because of your lying, nasty, mean spirited
bull**** you deserve everything you get here. Now be a man.

No, he is not.

Now how about dropping it already Jim (Gallow).


"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
Harry,
Are you playing JimH?


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
. ..
*JimH* wrote:
No need for me to calm down. Anyone recently losing a loved one,
especially with that person suffering for an extended period (with
dementia and arthritis) in a nursing home would take offense to your
general remarks about throwing money away (to a nursing home) and not
caring about their loved ones quality of life.

Sorry but that is how I took it. I said what I had to say.

Peace.






"Starbucker" wrote in message
...
JimH,
Take a long deep breath, and calm down.

snip

Congratulations. You've been played by Smithers.