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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:48:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:32:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:53:06 -0400, Harry Krause
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DSK wrote:
Dan J.S. wrote:
First, how do you respond the the fact you liberals want a
draft.

1- I am not a liberal
2- "Liberals" don't want a draft, nor do I.


I want a draft.

I want the sons and daughters of rich Republican voters drafted
and
sent
over to Iraq to die with the sons and daughters of the mostly
poor.
Having a military force with 50,000 sons and daughters of
wealthy
Republican families in it would tend to chill a simple-minded
President's desire to engage in imperialism.

All young men and women 18-25 should be entered in a draft pool.
No
exemptions, except for serious disability.

Horse feathers.

Harry is just illustratig his total lack of understanding of the
military.




So, Fruitz, you're saying that preferential treatment is an integral
and
permanent aspect of the military?


Do you think OCS, ROTC, and West Point officers are treated the
same?

As typical, the liebrals just don't get it.

Moron. If you've received training ahead of other new arrivals, you
*should*
be treated differently. Having a parent in congress, or is the
president's
personal attorney is not comparable with the things you mentioned.


The answer to your question is 'yes'. Is it right? No. And, that
includes
preferential treatment based on race or sex.

The whole point is that a draft is completely unecessary, and would
serioulsy harm the effectiveness of the military. As usual, the leibrals
want to politicize the military and make it politcallt correct.......they
just don't get it.



--
John H

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant:
It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Ronald Reagan

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:26:35 GMT, "Bryan"
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I saw a military recruitment TV commercial the other day, in which a
parent was sort of asked, "if your child asks about going in the
military,
what would you say?" kind of thing. Those weren't the exact words, but
close enough. The idea was that parents should have "information" so
they
can answer their kids' questions and help them decide upon the
military.

This newsgroup and it's political discussions has caused me to think
about
something that never crossed my mind. I need to ask my father (retired
air
force pilot) why he and my grandfather (army, infantry) never encouraged
me
to join the military. It will be interesting to know if my father thinks
his grandson should join the military.

I wouldn't hesitate to advise any grandchildren of mine to join the
military if they asked me for my advice.

If they asked you why you recommend it, especially at this specific point
in history, what would you tell them?

A reccomendation requires that someone ask about the course of action first.
And, the person asking for the reccomendation has already given thought to
the course of action and has not dismissed dismissed the course of action
already. So, if my child or grandchild asked for my reccomendation about
joining the military I would say yes I reccomend that you join the military.

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:58:19 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

I would say that yes, the chances of being killed by bad guys is
higher than being killed driving across town, but if you pay
attention, trust your buddies and follow the lead of your Senior NCOs
- stay sharp, you'll be just fine.

If your grandchild weren't as smart as you'd like and couldn't
specialize in something that'd keep them out of combat, how could you
possibly advise them to put themselves in harm's way for an idiotic war
such as the one we're presently engaged?

Um...so what? What's smart got to do with it? Lot's of "smart"
people are combat soldiers. Lot's of "smart" people are fighter
jocks, helicopter pilots, SEALS, RECONN, Rangers...it's a uninformed
comment.

I certainly wouldn't want that on my conscience, especially if they
ended up being shooting practice for some freakin' insurgent in Baghdad.

Conscience has nothing to do with it. It's all about Fate and how
your particular hand is dealt. Would your "conscience" be affected if
you sent your grandchild down to the corner 7-11 for a gallon of milk
and said child was run over by a bus?

I'm into making my own luck and my own fate.

If the moon's alignment has something to do with it, fine. I'm not
counting on it.

jps

In article ,
says...
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:02:29 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:58:19 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...

I would say that yes, the chances of being killed by bad guys is
higher than being killed driving across town, but if you pay
attention, trust your buddies and follow the lead of your Senior NCOs
- stay sharp, you'll be just fine.

If your grandchild weren't as smart as you'd like and couldn't
specialize in something that'd keep them out of combat, how could you
possibly advise them to put themselves in harm's way for an idiotic war
such as the one we're presently engaged?

Um...so what? What's smart got to do with it? Lot's of "smart"
people are combat soldiers. Lot's of "smart" people are fighter
jocks, helicopter pilots, SEALS, RECONN, Rangers...it's a uninformed
comment.

I certainly wouldn't want that on my conscience, especially if they
ended up being shooting practice for some freakin' insurgent in Baghdad.

Conscience has nothing to do with it. It's all about Fate and how
your particular hand is dealt. Would your "conscience" be affected if
you sent your grandchild down to the corner 7-11 for a gallon of milk
and said child was run over by a bus?

I'm into making my own luck and my own fate.

You don't make your own fate - your number has already been drawn,
its' just a question of when it's played.

All you are doing is playing a role.

If the moon's alignment has something to do with it, fine. I'm not
counting on it.

Nothing to do with the moon - it's like philosophy or something. :)

That's like nature/nurture. Some claim it's all one, some claim it's
all the other. Those of us who are moderate in our views think it's
somewhere between, eh?

It's my view that I have lots of input into my fate, it's an interactive
thing. You are welcome to consider your fate predetermined.

I don't.

jps

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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:26:35 GMT, "Bryan"
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I saw a military recruitment TV commercial the other day, in which a
parent was sort of asked, "if your child asks about going in the
military,
what would you say?" kind of thing. Those weren't the exact words, but
close enough. The idea was that parents should have "information" so
they
can answer their kids' questions and help them decide upon the
military.

This newsgroup and it's political discussions has caused me to think
about
something that never crossed my mind. I need to ask my father (retired
air
force pilot) why he and my grandfather (army, infantry) never encouraged
me
to join the military. It will be interesting to know if my father
thinks
his grandson should join the military.

I wouldn't hesitate to advise any grandchildren of mine to join the
military if they asked me for my advice.

If they asked you why you recommend it, especially at this specific point
in history, what would you tell them?

A reccomendation requires that someone ask about the course of action
first. And, the person asking for the reccomendation has already given
thought to the course of action and has not dismissed dismissed the course
of action already. So, if my child or grandchild asked for my
reccomendation about joining the military I would say yes I reccomend that
you join the military.


Considering the shallowness of your intellect, a simple yes or no is
probably all your grandchildren would expect. Then, they'd go ask the large
flower pot in the corner and get a more in-depth answer.

*JimH* wrote:

"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


There's no requirement that one answer a ringing phone.


Agreed.

A direct quote from my grandfather- "That telephone is in this house for
MY convenience, not theirs."

I often don't answer the phone because I'm busy. OTOH if I'm not doing
anything, discouraging telemarketing is a useful task and benefits our
society. Plus it can be fun.

DSK


One of the auto dialers called me once with some pre-approved credit card
deal. I gave them some fake info. Then they asked me for my phone
number. Since they called *me* I simply said "Oh, I don't have a phone.
They disconnected it when I couldn't pay the bill." The caller didn't
hesitate and asked me if I could give him my number at work.

Telemarketers can be fun when you are in the right mood.

Dan


All I did was join the Do Not Call register and I have not been bothered
since.


I did the same when it first was available. Some telemarketers choose
ignore it.

Dan

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*JimH* wrote:

"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
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DSK wrote:


Harry Krause wrote:


There's no requirement that one answer a ringing phone.


Agreed.

A direct quote from my grandfather- "That telephone is in this house for
MY convenience, not theirs."

I often don't answer the phone because I'm busy. OTOH if I'm not doing
anything, discouraging telemarketing is a useful task and benefits our
society. Plus it can be fun.

DSK


One of the auto dialers called me once with some pre-approved credit card
deal. I gave them some fake info. Then they asked me for my phone
number. Since they called *me* I simply said "Oh, I don't have a phone.
They disconnected it when I couldn't pay the bill." The caller didn't
hesitate and asked me if I could give him my number at work.

Telemarketers can be fun when you are in the right mood.

Dan


All I did was join the Do Not Call register and I have not been bothered
since.

I did the same when it first was available. Some telemarketers choose
ignore it.

Dan

Then get their name, number and document the call. Then send the
information to your State's Attorney General.

You may be eligible for monetary retribution for the violation. We have
collected over $900 so far for violations of that law.

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:06:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:26:35 GMT, "Bryan"
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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I saw a military recruitment TV commercial the other day, in which a
parent was sort of asked, "if your child asks about going in the
military,
what would you say?" kind of thing. Those weren't the exact words,
but
close enough. The idea was that parents should have "information" so
they
can answer their kids' questions and help them decide upon the
military.

This newsgroup and it's political discussions has caused me to think
about
something that never crossed my mind. I need to ask my father
(retired
air
force pilot) why he and my grandfather (army, infantry) never
encouraged
me
to join the military. It will be interesting to know if my father
thinks
his grandson should join the military.

I wouldn't hesitate to advise any grandchildren of mine to join the
military if they asked me for my advice.

If they asked you why you recommend it, especially at this specific
point
in history, what would you tell them?

A reccomendation requires that someone ask about the course of action
first. And, the person asking for the reccomendation has already given
thought to the course of action and has not dismissed dismissed the
course
of action already. So, if my child or grandchild asked for my
reccomendation about joining the military I would say yes I reccomend
that
you join the military.

Considering the shallowness of your intellect, a simple yes or no is
probably all your grandchildren would expect. Then, they'd go ask the
large
flower pot in the corner and get a more in-depth answer.

Hey - my flower pot with the mini-palm tree talks to me all the time.

That's you, though.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:55:36 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:06:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

A reccomendation requires that someone ask about the course of action
first. And, the person asking for the reccomendation has already given
thought to the course of action and has not dismissed dismissed the
course
of action already. So, if my child or grandchild asked for my
reccomendation about joining the military I would say yes I reccomend
that
you join the military.

Considering the shallowness of your intellect, a simple yes or no is
probably all your grandchildren would expect. Then, they'd go ask the
large
flower pot in the corner and get a more in-depth answer.

Hey - my flower pot with the mini-palm tree talks to me all the time.

That's you, though.

True - but it is also in contact with Martians from Venus.

Martians from Venus you ask?

Well, it's a long story...

I'm prepared to believe you, with no evidence or further explanation
necessary. I think "Men in Black" was a scientific documentary, not fiction.

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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:55:47 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:55:36 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 00:06:41 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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~~ snippage ~~

A reccomendation requires that someone ask about the course of
action
first. And, the person asking for the reccomendation has already
given
thought to the course of action and has not dismissed dismissed the
course
of action already. So, if my child or grandchild asked for my
reccomendation about joining the military I would say yes I
reccomend
that
you join the military.

Considering the shallowness of your intellect, a simple yes or no is
probably all your grandchildren would expect. Then, they'd go ask the
large
flower pot in the corner and get a more in-depth answer.

Hey - my flower pot with the mini-palm tree talks to me all the time.

That's you, though.

True - but it is also in contact with Martians from Venus.

Martians from Venus you ask?

Well, it's a long story...

I'm prepared to believe you, with no evidence or further explanation
necessary. I think "Men in Black" was a scientific documentary, not
fiction.

Expect to be visited shortly.

Then again, you won't remember it will you?

Unfortunate.

Maybe there'll be evidence in the garden. Stolen or scorched eggplant, or
missing basil. Do aliens like pesto?