On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:49:12 -0500, Skipper wrote:

Len wrote:

The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's
going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about
the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have
had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.,
but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great
Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists
and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos
too (judging from the Aruba fiasco).

Lets try to lift the discussion from the simple pointing at situations
or anecdotes. Cause if we don't there only will be a series of it.
In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously
improved in Europe. Why can't you? Are you serious in calling Reagan a
competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true
leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better
could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and
Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious
overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much
that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so
their and you children will have a lesser debt.
What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this
series....

Regards, Len.

Len wrote:
So you Canadians really are "blessed", in every aspect so far
No wonder every day three farmers or lorrydrivers quit their
business/job over here and emigrate to the land with the Maple Leaf.
There sure must be a lot of dutchmen over there...

Sorry I asked that question, Jim. I appreciate your open answer a lot.
Whenever my wife or I arrive at that roadbend, we'll no doubt do the
same thing... I am very glad to live in a country where it's possible.

Warm regards, Len.

Right up till this summer I thought I was part Dutch...from American
Loyalists chased from Harlem area of New York by the motley rabble
around 1776.
Mom was down to her mother's home in Digby county and someone had
researched a book on the origins of settlers outside the town in
Bloomfield.
Seems our ancestor on that side was actually Danish... he came to North
America from Holstein, Denmark by way of Holland prior to 1654. He built
a little church in the bush, Harlem area and that's where the family
name came from.
"Van" (from)
"Busch" (woods)
"kirk" (church)
There's even a coat of arms & a motto.
The Nova Scotia VanBuskirks are all decended from his second son....
and all VanBuskirks in Notth America trace their roots back to this
preacher.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:22 -0500, Skipper wrote:

Len wrote:

There is *NO* case of euthanasia if the patient
isn't completely sane when he/she asked for it him or herself.

BS! There is no such thing as absolutes in these situations.

1 When a doctor helps he has to make the case known to a multidiscipl.
comittee.
2 When the doctor helps and doesn't make the case known he'll be
prosecuted. This is the same in your country I guess.
3 When the case is made known all aspects are checked. and of course
no 1 is "did the patient ask for help in writing". no 2: was there a
case of suffering without any hope for improvement of the condition.
Judges are doing a good job on defining these terms.

Your fear is not rational imo. You should be afraid for the opposite.
What do you prefer, a system like this where you can successfully ask
for help when YOU need it or a dogmatic NO in all cases where even the
saddest lungcancer patient has to suffocate in his own slime?
Excuse for becoming that explicit but that's how grewsome (sorry for
misspellings) life is at that very moment.

But is the fear for getting killed by the government not really an
excuse ? So you don't have to point out it's forbidden by the bible?
In that case you're totally free in making your own choice. But don't
interfere in me making mine...

Regards, Len.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:14:17 -0500, Skipper wrote:

Len wrote:

In fact I've met several, dozens of canadians in Amsterdam.
All kinds of ages. Without an exeption: polite, friendly,
easy-connecting, interested in another culture/way of life.
No superficiality, no criticising the welfare system, no cowboy-style

You got a problem with cowboy style, pardner?

Are ya talking to me?
Are ya talking to me?
ARE YA TALKING TO ME????
Do ya feel lucky punk?
Well ????
Do Ya????

Thats what I call cowboy style.
And yes it is offensive, rude, dumb, and a lot more but I guess you
get my drift.

Regards, Len.

"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:27:31 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.


Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

Reagan was a great leader? Which history books have youy been reading.
The same ones that will say the same things about this idiot,
chickenhawk, AWOL deserter bush?

Capt. Jeff

"Len" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:59 -0400, " *JimH*" wrote:
But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

The fact that they are not facts.

Oh well in that case: good luck with your education.
Regards, Len.

Strong return argument Len.

There is nothing to return arguments on Jim

I agree. What you presented are not fact.

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says...

The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

Excellent point. We have many folks in the US who stand behind the
right wing no matter what the administration and congress do.

Being critical has been positioned as anti-American, when in fact, one
of the basic precepts upon which our country was founded guarantees you
are allowed to voice your dissent freely.

There are those in this country who would like to take that right away,
especially in times of war.

This is the same country that put its own citizens in camps and took
their property simply because they were Japanese Americans. It's hard
to look at your own country and not feel defensive and we certainly have
a lot to be defensive about...

jps

In article , says...
Len wrote:

The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

That mirror works both ways, Len. I'm afraid you misunderstand what's
going on over here. It's not about compassion, or lack of it, it's about
the thieving forced redistribution of wealth and real freedoms. We have
had our share of incompetent leadership; Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc.,
but we also have had true world leaders like Reagan. Our once great
Democrat party is no more, having been hijacked by radical socialists
and assorted special interests. Suspect you have your share of wackos
too (judging from the Aruba fiasco).

Len,

You'll have to excuse Snippy. He's a little cookoo.

Think Orwell, 1984 and how language was used to deceive people. It's
Snippy's specialty.

jps

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says...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an
extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never
give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one
with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But
I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it
forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the
ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film
actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us.

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?

Well said Len. I think you may have sent Snippy in search of his
bottle.

jps