Len wrote:

There is *NO* case of euthanasia if the patient
isn't completely sane when he/she asked for it him or herself.

BS! There is no such thing as absolutes in these situations.

--
Skipper

Len wrote:


Lets try to lift the discussion from the simple pointing at situations
or anecdotes. Cause if we don't there only will be a series of it.
In my post I admmitted up front there are things to be seriously
improved in Europe. Why can't you? Are you serious in calling Reagan a
competent leader? In my view he was accidentally in office when a true
leader like Gorbatsjow entered the circustent. What would or better
could Reagan have achieved without Gorbatsjow bringing Glasnost and
Perestrojka? Furthermore he is the one that started serious
overspending to please the industry (Star Wars). He spent that much
that democrats wil have to raise taxes (cause the reps won't) so
their and you children will have a lesser debt.
What is actually wrong with this series of facts? Please stick to this
series....

Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

--
Skipper

Len wrote:

You got a problem with cowboy style, pardner?

Are ya talking to me?
Are ya talking to me?
ARE YA TALKING TO ME????
Do ya feel lucky punk?
Well ????
Do Ya????

Thats what I call cowboy style.
And yes it is offensive, rude, dumb, and a lot more but I guess you
get my drift.

Regards, Len.

Got to admit when I've been had. Good one, Len.

--
Skipper

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:58:39 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:

Could it be because Europe is changing more then the U.S.? When euthenesia
is legal, quality of manufacturing is worse than ever, and strikes bring
down countries to stand still? Lets not even talk about the racism that is
on the rise, and anti-semitism is reaching pre wwii levels. England will put
you in jail for defending yourself against criminals in your own homes! Talk
about a legal system on its head.

I am proud we dutch have had the guts to *regulate* euthanasia.
I hope you won't be hit by lungcancer and in the end when you're
almost suffocate your eventual question for a mercyful and dignified
end won't be denied. And when you trust some doctor can be persuaded
to help you then that is right on the spot the subject that should be
dealt with legally.

When you are against euthanasia for a religious reason I think you're
totally free in that choice. But where did you get the right to tell
others to suffer where they have no bibletext to fear?
Another example, where do christians obtain the right to prevent
homosexuals to become happy?
It's sad to see how, in "the finest country in the world", dictatorial
christian fundamentalists manipulate even the supreme court so their
views will be exercised for the next 30 years. Why can't you seperate
church and state? Practice your belief behind your front door.

Racism is always and everywhere. Thats a fact. Buyt that's a
characteritic of specific people themselves. You can't judge a nation
on it. If that were the case the us wouldn't score very good.
I think it takes a very big heart to fully acknowledge that all people
are equal world citizens. I don't even know if my heart is that big...
I am worried about radical islamic youth in my country... I wouldn't
call it racism but it is sad that I get extra cautious when I step
into a train with a group of 'm...

I was born in Poland myself, and lived in Norway for a while. I will tell
you I would rather live in the U.S. then anywhere else. The kindness of
people, opportunities, and openess is amazing.

I am sure, and I can verify it every day that the people I meet are
almost always kind, open and fun to be with. I make friends all the
time. I am sure there are lot's of americans I could have lifelasting
friendships with but that wasn't the point.
The point here is can you take 5 seconds in which you stop pointing
back at me with all kinds of mirrorred critiques and have a good look
at how things are becoming in the us.

"Tamaroak" wrote in message
...
Reagan was a great leader? Which history books have youy been reading. The
same ones that will say the same things about this idiot, chickenhawk,
AWOL deserter bush?

Capt. Jeff

what about the senate and congress? why do presidents get all the credit.

"Len" wrote in message
...
Jim,
What is the general view on abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia?
How would you characterize Canada in terms of religious parties and
their political power?
But this isn't off topic any more, it's even worse.
Do you know some us- or canadian group where discussions like this are
possible without the obvious flaming and namecalling ?
Regards, Len.

The general view, in Canada, on abortion......It is up to the woman to
choose.

Gay Marriage is legal in Canada.

With a "living will" signed by the patient, it is legal for a doctor to
remove all life giving medications and supplements. My wife passed away
three years ago in a Canadian hospital. She was, at her own request and
mine, to be left to die with dignity after she had been told that her cancer
was terminal and there was nothing more that could be done for her.

She was given large amounts of morphine and died with no pain and with a
smile on her face. This type of "death with dignity" is common in Canada
but it is only after the patient has given written instructions to her
family and to the doctor.

Religion plays almost no part in Canadian Politics at all. There is no
place for it here like there is in the USA.

Sorry Len, I know of no "online" forums for Canadian Political discussions.

Jim

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:54:18 -0400, "Jim Carter"
wrote:

I totaly agree with you Len. Here in Canada we also get a view of the USA
that I am sure that the Americans themselves cannot see. Here is a little
story for your amusement. It may help you understand.

It was fun to read...
In fact I've met several, dozens of canadians in Amsterdam.
All kinds of ages. Without an exeption: polite, friendly,
easy-connecting, interested in another culture/way of life.
No superficiality, no criticising the welfare system, no cowboy-style
whatsoever.

Jim,
What is the general view on abortion, gay marriage and euthanasia?
How would you characterize Canada in terms of religious parties and
their political power?

But this isn't off topic any more, it's even worse.
Do you know some us- or canadian group where discussions like this are
possible without the obvious flaming and namecalling ?

Regards, Len.

"Len" wrote in message
...
So you Canadians really are "blessed", in every aspect so far
No wonder every day three farmers or lorrydrivers quit their
business/job over here and emigrate to the land with the Maple Leaf.
There sure must be a lot of dutchmen over there...

Sorry I asked that question, Jim. I appreciate your open answer a lot.
Whenever my wife or I arrive at that roadbend, we'll no doubt do the
same thing... I am very glad to live in a country where it's possible.

Warm regards, Len.

Very near to where my boat is located, in the town of Bayfield Ontario,
there is a large population of people from the Netherlands. Below, I have
copied a little information about a Dutch attraction. A full sized
windmill.

The Folmar Windmill brings a touch of Europe to Huron County. This full size
windmill is styled after an actual mill in the Netherlands called "The
Arend." Folmar Windmill has the capability to be used as a sawmill and a
grist mill. During your tour the guide will explain how the "natural energy"
of the wind can be utilized for those purposes.

View the "technical artistry" of the mill's builder, Frank de Jong, or let
yourself slip into Europe's yesteryear as the sighing of the sails
hypnotizes you and you marvel at this unique structure. Natural environment
areas are abundant in the area, and the Folmar Windmill is situated along
side a small lake.

If you do an Internet search on Google, you will see the photos of this
windmill. Search for "Folmar Windmill Bayfield Ontario"

This area is good for boating as it is on the shores of Lake Huron, the
"Sweet Water Sea".
Jim

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:02:38 -0500, "Dan J.S." wrote:


I am proud we dutch have had the guts to *regulate* euthanasia.

I see your point. But once anything is government regulated, you have
abuses. What would stop a government from saying you retire at 60, you die
at 75, here is the place where you go to die. We are doing this because our
retirement funds are declining.

The point is where there is no regulation abuse will be greater.
I know that the sheer legal possibility to "kill" makes a bad first
impression.
But be reassured. There is *NO* case of euthanasia if the patient
isn't completely sane when he/she asked for it him or herself.

If ever, you should be afraid when nothing is regulated and it becomes
common practice to give a bit more morfine to ease the pain.....
decided by individual elderly home-doctors without any legal
framework...

Regards, Len.

"Len" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:10:58 -0500, Skipper wrote:
Mikhail is in town today. Perhaps I'll ask him about HIS views of
Reagan. Believe his views of Reagan will be a bit more accurate than
yours.

Oh I agree totally, of course. But I am convinced mr Gorbatsjow is an
extraordinary erudite and civilised man and therefore would never
give negative comments in public about a deceased collegue. No one
with a good upbringing would (yes you're right indeed: except me). But
I think when you ask him unexpectedly he will feel embarassed cause it
forces him to think fast and come up with something that makes the
ridiculity vanish of a man with no credits, -other than being a B-film
actor with a mediocre IQ-, becoming president of the us.

But tell me, what was wrong with the series of facts I summed up?


The fact that they are not facts.