Doug Kanter wrote:

Bad news: I'm a conservative Democrat, and I'd like to see "Christmas"
legally limited...

We know, we know!

BTW, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat today. Zell
Miller can set you straight. I can find a copy of his keynote address at
the 2004 Convention if you'd like a refresher...Oh heck, here it is:
http://tinyurl.com/b2urb

--
Skipper

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
NOYB wrote:

what is a 'traditional american value'? anybody know?

I know, I know, Looney Lefters must find that term extremely
confounding. Suppose it's a most revolting situation for them. Learnin'
'em those values would be like teaching a pig to sing.

What values have you in mind? Where's your complete list of American
values?

I'd like to see a list of your values, Harry. All one or two of them.

Krause may know a thing or two about money lending or pawn shop
values...but traditional American values? Forget that! Not a clue.

What is this nonsense to which you keep alluding, Snipper?

Just trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, Krause. We know you
don't have a clue about traditional American values.

--
Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Doug Kanter wrote:

Bad news: I'm a conservative Democrat, and I'd like to see "Christmas"
legally limited...

We know, we know!

BTW, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat today.

Sure there is.

Harry,
I hate to tell you this, but you play "footsie" with Skipper more than
anyone else, in fact, more than everyone else put together.


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bob wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:08:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:

An expected response from the Looney Left...but it's all true, Krause.
If I were making the call, traitors would be treated far more harshly.


skipper's a communist. he's a christian communist, but he's a commie
nonetheless.


First thing Skipper wants to do is round up the blacks and the Jews and
treat them "far more harshly." But several of the righties in here play
footsie with SKippy nonetheless. "Smithers" is one of them.

NOYB,
If you have read Harry's posts for anytime at all, you know his values
change with the wind. His values are so flexible that he has to make sure
his posts are not archived, he was having his previous "values" repeated too
often.


"NOYB" wrote in message
k.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Skipper wrote:
Bob wrote:

what is a 'traditional american value'? anybody know?

I know, I know, Looney Lefters must find that term extremely
confounding. Suppose it's a most revolting situation for them. Learnin'
'em those values would be like teaching a pig to sing.

--
Skipper


What values have you in mind? Where's your complete list of American
values?

I'd like to see a list of your values, Harry. All one or two of them.

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

Bad news: I'm a conservative Democrat, and I'd like to see "Christmas"
legally limited...

We know, we know!

BTW, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat today. Zell
Miller can set you straight. I can find a copy of his keynote address

It figures you would save the words of a raving lunatic like Crazy Zell.

Zell Miller's words before the 2004 RNC:

Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller
Family has been born: Four great grandchildren. Along with all the other
members of our close-knit family, they are my and Shirley's most
precious possessions. And I know that's how you feel about your family
also. Like you, I think of their future, the promises and the perils
they will face. Like you, I believe that the next four years will
determine what kind of world they will grow up in. And like you, I ask
which leader is it today that has the vision, the willpower and, yes,
the backbone to best protect my family? The clear answer to that
question has placed me in this hall with you tonight. For my family is
more important than my party.

There is but one man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and
that man's name is George Bush.

In the summer of 1940, I was an 8-year-old boy living in a remote little
Appalachian valley. Our country was not yet at war, but even we children
knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us
if they could.

President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told America "all
private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense repealed by an
overriding public danger."

In 1940, Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee. And there is no
better example of someone repealing their "private plans" than this good
man. He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime
draft, an unpopular idea at the time. And he made it clear that he would
rather lose the election than make national security a partisan campaign
issue.

Shortly before Wilkie died, he told a friend, that if he could write his
own epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here
lies one who contributed to saving freedom," he would prefer the latter.

Where are such statesmen today?

Where is the bipartisanship in this country when we need it most?

Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the
mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker
because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander in
Chief.

What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?

I can remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America
to fight for freedom over tyranny. It was Democratic President Harry
Truman who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of
Greece when Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the
Soviet blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the
city.

Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats
and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter.
But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's
Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. And
nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops
occupiers rather than liberators. Tell that to the one-half of Europe
that was freed because Franklin Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not
occupiers. Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is
free because Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not
occupiers. Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who
are free today from the Baltics to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia,
because Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.

Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for
the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier.
And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad, they preserve it for
us here at home. For it has been said so truthfully that it is the
soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press. It
is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to
protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose
coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to
abuse and burn that flag.

No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of
this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers
are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home.

But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party
today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the
solution. They don't believe there is any real danger in the world
except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and
misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so
sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.
And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. Together,
Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won the Cold War
and that is now winning the War on Terror.

Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his best to shut
down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but
Americans need to know the facts.

The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.

The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes
against the Taliban inAfghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.

The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's
Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator
Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.

The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those
Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that
Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this
very city after 9/11.

I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot down
Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis
air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against
the Trident missile; against, against, against.

This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our U.S. Armed
Forces?

U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?

Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty
weeks of campaign rhetoric. Campaign talk tells people who you want them
to think you are. How you vote tells people who you really are deep
inside.

Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use military force only if
approved by the United Nations. Kerry would let Paris decide when
America needs defending. I want Bush to decide.

John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our
national security. That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This
politician wants to be leader of the freeworld.

Free for how long?

For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of freedom and
security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more wobbly than
any other national figure.

As a war protester, Kerry blamed our military.

As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that
more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective
armor for our troops in harms way, far away.

George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet new threats.

John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we
have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's challenges. George
Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out
terrorists. No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock
they crawl under. George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and
not let them go to get a better grip.


From John Kerry, they get a "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only
encourage our enemies and confuse our friends.

I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors together. I
admire this man. I am moved by the respect he shows the first lady, his
unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he
is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.

I can identify with someone who has lived that line in "Amazing Grace,"
"Was blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man
on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning. He is not a slick talker
but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from, deeds mean a lot
more than words.

I have knocked on the door of this man's soul and found someone home, a
God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of tempered steel. The
man I trust to protect my most precious possession: my family.

This election will change forever the course of history, and that's not
any history. It's our family's history. The only question is how. The
answer lies with each of us. And, like many generations before us, we've
got some hard choosing to do.

Right now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America.
Fainthearted self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this
world.

In this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up.
And this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.

Thank you.

God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.

--
Skipper

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:22:44 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

Bad news: I'm a conservative Democrat, and I'd like to see "Christmas"
legally limited...

We know, we know!

BTW, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat today.

guess he's never heard of robert casey, the guy who's challenging
santorum here in PA. casey's pretty far right just like his rotting,
dead father was.

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and enter 'wf3h' in the field

Bob wrote:

Skipper wrote:

BTW, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat today.

guess he's never heard of robert casey, the guy who's challenging
santorum here in PA. casey's pretty far right just like his rotting,
dead father was.

A *truly* conservative Democrat is DOA with the party and in DC. He will
have a very hard time serving his constituents. Ask Zell Miller about
it.

--
Skipper

"Bob" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:22:44 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

Bad news: I'm a conservative Democrat, and I'd like to see "Christmas"
legally limited...

We know, we know!

BTW, there is no such thing as a conservative Democrat today.

guess he's never heard of robert casey, the guy who's challenging
santorum here in PA. casey's pretty far right just like his rotting,
dead father was.

Skipper can't comprehend concepts unless they have simple labels.

"Skipper" wrote in message n

Some interesting thoughts:

"What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations."


And WHEN does GWB say we will be done in Iraq?


"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated
warriors go to war first and then seek to win."


Reminds me of declairing "Mission Acomplished", prematurely....


"The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord
before there are any actual hostilities...It is best to win without
fighting."


Certainly agree with this, another way of putting it acording to the code of
Busido: "The best battle is the one you do not fight"


"The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple
before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few
calculations beforehand."


Who made the calculations that "They will welcome us with open arms"? OR
Rumsfeld statement that the war would last weeks, or that Iraqi Oil would
pay for the war or.......



"A leader leads by example not by force."

ROFLMAO
Bush will not even go to Iraq.......