Today we have a debate going on over the future of America.
Conservatives want to preserve those traditional values that have made
America great. The Liberals who've taken over the once great Democrat
Party are out to change America into one fitting their image of how
things should be done. They care not what damage is done.

These "liberals" want to take away the right of the people to keep and
bear arms, they want to establish a pure socialist government and
redistribute wealth. They want America's enemies to prevail. They shut
down Congress for a time yesterday as conservative leadership was trying
to reduce government costs. Hell, they even want to eliminate the
celebration of Christmas. These are not real Americans, they ARE the
enemy within. They are clearly godless anti-Americans with no ties to
traditional American values. They are Americas undesirables.

Fortunately, these undesirables are being taken care of and going the
way of that pencil-necked Tom Daschle...Americas voters are sending them
out to pasture. The Looney Left will kick and scream as they're shown
the door...but that's what America does with their Jane Fondas.

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Hell, they even want to eliminate the
celebration of Christmas.

Who told you that?

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Today we have a debate going on over the future of America.
Conservatives want to preserve those traditional values that have made
America great. The Liberals who've taken over the once great Democrat
Party are out to change America into one fitting their image of how
things should be done. They care not what damage is done.

These "liberals" want to take away the right of the people to keep and
bear arms, they want to establish a pure socialist government and
redistribute wealth. They want America's enemies to prevail. They shut
down Congress for a time yesterday as conservative leadership was trying
to reduce government costs. Hell, they even want to eliminate the
celebration of Christmas. These are not real Americans, they ARE the
enemy within. They are clearly godless anti-Americans with no ties to
traditional American values. They are Americas undesirables.

Fortunately, these undesirables are being taken care of and going the
way of that pencil-necked Tom Daschle...Americas voters are sending them
out to pasture. The Looney Left will kick and scream as they're shown
the door...but that's what America does with their Jane Fondas.

What a crock of crap.

An expected response from the Looney Left...but it's all true, Krause.
If I were making the call, traitors would be treated far more harshly.

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Skipper

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:34:31 -0600, Skipper wrote:

Today we have a debate going on over the future of America.
Conservatives want to preserve those traditional values that have made
America great.

yeah like tax cuts for the rich, increasing taxes on the middle class,
no job security, no health care, budget deficits that are
astronomical, eliminating individual rights, imposing religion, etc.


These "liberals" want to take away the right of the people to keep and
bear arms

what POSSIBLE relationship is there between guns and freedom?
conservatives have a mythology all their own and this is a big one.
the NRA can not defeat the US armed forces, period. the 2nd was
obsolete when it was written.

, they want to establish a pure socialist government and
redistribute wealth.

conservatives are already redistributing wealth. they are now
proposing eliminating the home mortgage deduction while keeping
capital gains tax cuts and the 'death tax' cut...the middle class pays
taxes and the rich don't.

They want America's enemies to prevail. They shut
down Congress for a time yesterday as conservative leadership was trying
to reduce government costs.

let's see...the conservatives chased clinton for 4 years for getting a
blow job in the white house...they tied him in knots and their hatred
of him led to security failures resulting in 9/11.

BUT conservatives are allowed to expose CIA agents for political
reasons and no one gets hammered.

as to reducing costs, pres. george bush, like ronald reagan before
him, has produced more govt spending and more deficits than in the
entire history of the united states.

Hell, they even want to eliminate the
celebration of Christmas. These are not real Americans, they ARE the
enemy within. They are clearly godless anti-Americans with no ties to
traditional American values. They are Americas undesirables.

funny as i read the constitution, GOD is never mentioned. ever. being
godless is a RIGHT of being an american.

you can see where the christian taliban want to take us. they want to
gut the constitution and turn america into a theocracy.

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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:08:15 -0600, Skipper wrote:


An expected response from the Looney Left...but it's all true, Krause.
If I were making the call, traitors would be treated far more harshly.


skipper's a communist. he's a christian communist, but he's a commie
nonetheless.

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Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Today we have a debate going on over the future of America.
Conservatives want to preserve those traditional values that have made
America great. The Liberals who've taken over the once great Democrat
Party are out to change America into one fitting their image of how
things should be done. They care not what damage is done.

These "liberals" want to take away the right of the people to keep and
bear arms, they want to establish a pure socialist government and
redistribute wealth. They want America's enemies to prevail. They shut
down Congress for a time yesterday as conservative leadership was trying
to reduce government costs. Hell, they even want to eliminate the
celebration of Christmas. These are not real Americans, they ARE the
enemy within. They are clearly godless anti-Americans with no ties to
traditional American values. They are Americas undesirables.

Fortunately, these undesirables are being taken care of and going the
way of that pencil-necked Tom Daschle...Americas voters are sending them
out to pasture. The Looney Left will kick and scream as they're shown
the door...but that's what America does with their Jane Fondas.

What a crock of crap.

Biizarre beliefs such as the ones you hold ring true to psychotics, I am
sure. You've revealed yourself as a Jew-hating, black-hating piece of
offal. Are you trying to recruit the others in here who feel as you do?

Some interesting thoughts:

"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but
excels in winning with ease."

"What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations."

"Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely
mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the
director of the opponent's fate."

"The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord
before there are any actual hostilities...It is best to win without
fighting."

"A military operation involves deception. Even though you are competent,
appear to be incompetent. Though effective, appear to be ineffective."

"Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated
warriors go to war first and then seek to win."

"All men can see these tactics whereby I conquer, but what none can see
is the strategy out of which victory is evolved."

"All warfare is based on deception."

"For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme
of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill."

"He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious."

"He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be
victorious."

"When torrential water tosses boulders, it is because of its momentum.
When the strike of a hawk breaks the body of its prey, it is because of
timing."

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme
excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's
resistance without fighting."

"Know thy enemy and know thyself, find naught in fear for 100 battles.
Know thyself but not thy enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy
enemy but not thyself, wallow in defeat everytime."

"It is essential to seek out enemy agents who have come to conduct
espionage against you and to bribe them to serve you. Give them
instructions and care for them. Thus doubled agents are recruited and
used."

"Now the reason the enlightened prince and the wise general conquer the
enemy whenever they move and their achievements surpass those of
ordinary men is foreknowledge."

"O divine art of subtlety and secrecy! Through you we learn to be
invisible, through you inaudible and hence we can hold the enemy's fate
in our hands."

"Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance."

"Secret operations are essential in war; upon them the army relies to
make its every move."

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics
without strategy is the noise before defeat."

"The general who advances without coveting fame and retreats without
fearing disgrace, whose only thought is to protect his country and do
good service for his sovereign, is the jewel of the kingdom."

"The general who wins the battle makes many calculations in his temple
before the battle is fought. The general who loses makes but few
calculations beforehand."

"The good fighters of old first put themselves beyond the possibility of
defeat, and then waited for an opportunity of defeating the enemy."

"The quality of decision is like the well-timed swoop of a falcon which
enables it to strike and destroy its victim."

"The ultimate in disposing one's troops is to be without ascertainable
shape. Then the most penetrating spies cannot pry in nor can the wise
lay plans against you."

"Thus it is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle
after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat
first fights and afterwards looks for victory."

"Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemy's
strategy."

"And therefore those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of
battle and are not brought there by him."

"When the enemy is at ease, be able to weary him; when well fed, to
starve him; when at rest, to make him move. Appear at places to which he
must hasten; move swiftly where he does not expect you."

"Subtle and insubstantial, the expert leaves no trace; divinely
mysterious, he is inaudible. Thus he is master of his enemy's fate."

"To a surrounded enemy, you must leave a way of escape."

"Speed is the essence of war. Take advantage of the enemy's
unpreparedness; travel by unexpected routes and strike him where he has
taken no precautions."

"Bestow rewards without respect to customary practice; publish orders
without respect to precedent. Thus you may employ the entire army as you
would one man."

"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence;
supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without
fighting."

"To see victory only when it is within the ken of the common herd is not
the acme of excellence."

"A leader leads by example not by force."

"A skilled commander seeks victory from the situation and does not
demand it of his subordinates."

And best of all:

"If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him."

Sun Tzu - The Art of War

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Skipper

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:36:48 -0600, Skipper wrote:


Sun Tzu - The Art of War


figgers skip is so dense he has to resort to a collection of hackneyed
cliches to make his argument for him.

bing fa indeed.

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"Bob" wrote in message
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:36:48 -0600, Skipper wrote:


Sun Tzu - The Art of War


figgers skip is so dense he has to resort to a collection of hackneyed
cliches to make his argument for him.

Not exactly hackneyed. Sun Tzu's writings were given to a neighbor's West
Point kid by one of his teachers. But even so....what the hell's it got to
do with whatever skipper the ****** is attempting to say? He may as well
post recipes from Joy of Cooking.

Bob wrote:

figgers skip is so dense he has to resort to a collection of hackneyed
cliches to make his argument for him.

What argument? Lefty Loonies are an unfortunate fact.

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Skipper - Lic Ham II

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:

What a crock of crap.

Biizarre beliefs such as the ones you hold ring true to psychotics, I am
sure. You've revealed yourself as a Jew-hating, black-hating piece of
offal. Are you trying to recruit the others in here who feel as you do?

Some interesting thoughts:

Not from you, Mr. Nazi.

That's a bit of an undesirable statement, Krause. You do seem focused,
however, like a moth to the flame. What is leading you to such hatred?

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Skipper