SoftComplete wrote:

Software authors have the right to deliver as number of copies as they
find relevant...

http://www.strongbit.com - Bulletproof Software Protection And License
Management !

And knowledgeable consumers have the right to boycott products employing
these user unfriendly "schemes", and to tell companies such as yours to
'shove it!'

Kindest regards,

--
Skipper

"Oliver Fleming" wrote in message
...
Hi,
I have been in touch with them and they will NOT permit the software
to
be used on more than two computers, That is from their support
spokesperson.
Kristina Menalo.


I had trouble with the same Kristina. It was about buying Fugawi 3 from one
of their dealers, only to find that the street maps (that I was interested
in at the time) were not the current ones. She would not agree to providing
an upgrade and said I had to pay for the newer maps. I eventually bypassed
her and got to someone who agreed to provide me with a free upgrade, but it
was not a pleasant experience.

My purpose is to get a legal copy of my PreProgrammed DataCard to use in my
outside steering station GPS, while the original PreProgrammed DataCard
remains in the pilothouse station GPS.

Now, had I bought the mapsoftware on CD, I would have been able to do a
transfer to a blank card AND a legal copy to a second blank card (at least
that what I believe is correct)

Of course, when I shift steering station I could unplug the card and insert
it into the other GPS.

I just would like Garmin to change policy and allow a copy from a
PreProgrammed DataCard, as they presently do from a CD.

As I write; this restriction is solely on the PreProgrammed DataCards, it is
not obvious to a buyer at the time he/she orders.(was´nt for me anyway, but
you could argue I´m the only one so dumb)

You´r right that a Garmincard can be used at all compatible GPS´s, so I did
not express myself clear, sorry.

My aim remains though.

Hans

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"fen" wrote in message
k...
The difference between Garmin blue chart mapping programs, bought either
on CD with unlock code - OR - as a PreProgrammed DataCards, is that the
first product may be installed on two Garmin GPS units, the second can
presently NOT.

That is incorrect. The info. stays on the data card so it isn't even
installed on one GPS. It can be used in multiple GPS's though. Obviously
not at the same time though.
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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

"fen" wrote in message
k...
My purpose is to get a legal copy of my PreProgrammed DataCard to use in
my outside steering station GPS, while the original PreProgrammed DataCard
remains in the pilothouse station GPS.

Now, had I bought the mapsoftware on CD, I would have been able to do a
transfer to a blank card AND a legal copy to a second blank card (at least
that what I believe is correct)

That is correct. In fact you could load the info on hundreds of cards if
you wanted to but of course it would only work on two GPS's.

Of course, when I shift steering station I could unplug the card and
insert it into the other GPS.

I just would like Garmin to change policy and allow a copy from a
PreProgrammed DataCard, as they presently do from a CD.

Yes that would be great and then you would have folks copying them and
selling them by the hundreds.

As I write; this restriction is solely on the PreProgrammed DataCards, it
is not obvious to a buyer at the time he/she orders.

I'm not sure how it could be more obvious. Sometimes I think my wife
thinks that I should be in two places at one time but so far she hasn't let
me know how to do that and I haven't been able to figure it out either
We always ask our customers if they are sure they want a pre-programmed card
instead of the software if they indicate that they may want more than one
region or use it on more than one GPS.
--


Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

Somehow this discussion has drifted, and I´m not sure how your wife got into
it.
Why is it fair that you legally can take a copy off a CDmap but not off a
card.

As you write the copy will only work on a specific designated machine(GPS).

I might be dumb, but even I can understand if someone ask me if I want this
or that product, explaining the difference between the two.
My complaint stems from not having been able to deduct a difference in the
mapprogram by way of the media the maps were on, by myself from the web or
GUESS it, when I bought the GPSMAP at a marineEXPO, since neither you or
the salesperson there told me, then.
Please re-read the post again with a friendlier eye.

Not out to scorn Garmin, I think they have a fine product, but I just dont
get it do I.
Will taking a copy froma CD be managable for Garmin and not harm them, but
doing a copy from a card be uncontrolable and swamp us with lawbreakers?
Still do´nt get it.

Hans

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"fen" wrote in message
k...
My purpose is to get a legal copy of my PreProgrammed DataCard to use in
my outside steering station GPS, while the original PreProgrammed
DataCard remains in the pilothouse station GPS.

Now, had I bought the mapsoftware on CD, I would have been able to do a
transfer to a blank card AND a legal copy to a second blank card (at
least that what I believe is correct)

That is correct. In fact you could load the info on hundreds of cards
if you wanted to but of course it would only work on two GPS's.

Of course, when I shift steering station I could unplug the card and
insert it into the other GPS.

I just would like Garmin to change policy and allow a copy from a
PreProgrammed DataCard, as they presently do from a CD.

Yes that would be great and then you would have folks copying them and
selling them by the hundreds.

As I write; this restriction is solely on the PreProgrammed DataCards, it
is not obvious to a buyer at the time he/she orders.

I'm not sure how it could be more obvious. Sometimes I think my wife
thinks that I should be in two places at one time but so far she hasn't
let me know how to do that and I haven't been able to figure it out either
We always ask our customers if they are sure they want a pre-programmed
card instead of the software if they indicate that they may want more than
one region or use it on more than one GPS.
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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

"fen" wrote in message
k...
Somehow this discussion has drifted, and I´m not sure how your wife got
into it.

It was a simple comparison. Another one......I can't use the engine in
my car in two different cars at one time just the same as it's not
physically possible to use the same memory card in two different GPS's at
the same time.

Why is it fair that you legally can take a copy off a CDmap but not off a
card.

That's just the way it is whether you consider it fair or not. I have
always told my kids.......life isn't fair.

Will taking a copy froma CD be managable for Garmin and not harm them, but
doing a copy from a card be uncontrolable and swamp us with lawbreakers?

Absolutely.

Still do´nt get it.

I guess we both don't get it yet. I don't understand how it's possible
to use a memory card in two different GPS's at the same time and you don't
get why it's not possible. What possibly gave you the idea that you could
copy the info. off of the pre-programmed card onto another one? As I stated
before you can't copy the card because there would be no way to control
theft of the info. The CD version uses unlock codes to control the theft of
the info. My best suggestion is to sell the pre-programmed memory card and
buy the correct product for what you want to do.

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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

Oliver Fleming wrote:

This is what is
known as in my country as
"sharp practice" and can lead to heavy fines and Jail time.

What country would that be?

I've never seen a law barring or having penalties for "sharp practice".

Phil

Darrel, thank you for your advice, about selling and re-buying.

You, beeing a Garmin seller, surely knows about consumer needs, and how
important it is to have them satisfied in the long run.
And that is the reason I hope to convince Garmin that they could improve on
their costomer service profile in this aspect.

The way to do this in this case, vould be to let a costomer send in his
pre-programmed card to Garmin´s designated distributor and let this
distributor do a single copy on a card.
The blank card, the postage and a fee for programing the card of course
beeing paid for by the costomer.

Assuming there is a recgonized need AND will, for such a program, some
distributor´s may make a buck or two- and the costomer is happy!. A true
win-win setup.

Now a sceptic could say:" this has never been done" OR he might even say:"
It´s not fair". But those are really only arguments for the lazy.
What happened to TRYING?.

If this proposed solution to the problem of copyprotecting is NOT feasibly
technical possible, I shall bow down and forever keep silent and spend my
dollars as I´m supposed to do. Until a wiser points the way.
Regards

Hans
A semi-happy Garmin costomer


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"fen" wrote in message
k...
Somehow this discussion has drifted, and I´m not sure how your wife got
into it.

It was a simple comparison. Another one......I can't use the engine in
my car in two different cars at one time just the same as it's not
physically possible to use the same memory card in two different GPS's at
the same time.

Why is it fair that you legally can take a copy off a CDmap but not off a
card.

That's just the way it is whether you consider it fair or not. I have
always told my kids.......life isn't fair.

Will taking a copy froma CD be managable for Garmin and not harm them,
but doing a copy from a card be uncontrolable and swamp us with
lawbreakers?

Absolutely.

Still do´nt get it.

I guess we both don't get it yet. I don't understand how it's possible
to use a memory card in two different GPS's at the same time and you don't
get why it's not possible. What possibly gave you the idea that you could
copy the info. off of the pre-programmed card onto another one? As I
stated before you can't copy the card because there would be no way to
control theft of the info. The CD version uses unlock codes to control the
theft of the info. My best suggestion is to sell the pre-programmed memory
card and buy the correct product for what you want to do.

--


Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com

fen wrote:
My purpose is to get a legal copy of my PreProgrammed DataCard to use in my
outside steering station GPS, while the original PreProgrammed DataCard
remains in the pilothouse station GPS.


Corporate greed vs. consumer need. Same old story.

"fen" wrote in message
k...
Darrel, thank you for your advice, about selling and re-buying.

You, beeing a Garmin seller, surely knows about consumer needs, and how
important it is to have them satisfied in the long run.

You are correct, that is our job as a Garmin dealer. Too bad that your
dealer didn't do their job or too bad that you didn't ask before buying the
wrong product for your needs/wants.

The way to do this in this case, vould be to let a costomer send in his
pre-programmed card to Garmin´s designated distributor and let this
distributor do a single copy on a card.
The blank card, the postage and a fee for programing the card of course
beeing paid for by the costomer.

I'm pretty sure that Garmin's agreement with the BlueChart folks
wouldn't allow for this but you are right, it would be worth asking or
suggesting to **Garmin** about it but it probably won't do any good to bitch
about Garmin in the newsgroups about it.
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Darrel Goheen

http://www.tvnav.com