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Youths in Rural U.S. Are Drawn To Military
Recruits' Job Worries Outweigh War Fears

By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01

As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks of
the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data show
that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically
depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks
of going to war.

More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas,
Pentagon figures show. In contrast, 14 percent come from major cities.
Youths living in the most sparsely populated Zip codes are 22 percent more
likely to join the Army, with an opposite trend in cities. Regionally,
most enlistees come from the South (40 percent) and West (24 percent).

Many of today's recruits are financially strapped, with nearly half coming
from lower-middle-class to poor households, according to new Pentagon data
based on Zip codes and census estimates of mean household income. Nearly
two-thirds of Army recruits in 2004 came from counties in which median
household income is below the U.S. median.

Such patterns are pronounced in such counties as Martinsville, Va., that
supply the greatest number of enlistees in proportion to their youth
populations. All of the Army's top 20 counties for recruiting had
lower-than-national median incomes, 12 had higher poverty rates, and 16
were non-metropolitan, according to the National Priorities Project, a
nonpartisan research group that analyzed 2004 recruiting data by Zip code.

"A lot of the high recruitment rates are in areas where there is not as
much economic opportunity for young people," said Anita Dancs, research
director for the NPP, based in Northampton, Mass.
----


How can this be, in this wonderful Bush economy?
No jobs but the military.


Ummmm. Because they don't live where the jobs are.

"More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas"

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Youths in Rural U.S. Are Drawn To Military
Recruits' Job Worries Outweigh War Fears

By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01

As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks
of the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data
show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically
depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the
risks of going to war.

More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas,
Pentagon figures show. In contrast, 14 percent come from major cities.
Youths living in the most sparsely populated Zip codes are 22 percent
more likely to join the Army, with an opposite trend in cities.
Regionally, most enlistees come from the South (40 percent) and West (24
percent).

Many of today's recruits are financially strapped, with nearly half
coming from lower-middle-class to poor households, according to new
Pentagon data based on Zip codes and census estimates of mean household
income. Nearly two-thirds of Army recruits in 2004 came from counties in
which median household income is below the U.S. median.

Such patterns are pronounced in such counties as Martinsville, Va., that
supply the greatest number of enlistees in proportion to their youth
populations. All of the Army's top 20 counties for recruiting had
lower-than-national median incomes, 12 had higher poverty rates, and 16
were non-metropolitan, according to the National Priorities Project, a
nonpartisan research group that analyzed 2004 recruiting data by Zip
code.

"A lot of the high recruitment rates are in areas where there is not as
much economic opportunity for young people," said Anita Dancs, research
director for the NPP, based in Northampton, Mass.
----


How can this be, in this wonderful Bush economy?
No jobs but the military.


Ummmm. Because they don't live where the jobs are.

"More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas"

"The" jobs these days seem to be mainly "Mcjob" service sector jobs with
companies offering low wages and no benefits.

And how has that changed since, say 1999?

The trend of losing manufacturing to Mexico or overseas has been going on
for years.

How can we compete with labor prices in China?

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Youths in Rural U.S. Are Drawn To Military
Recruits' Job Worries Outweigh War Fears

By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01

As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the
ranks of the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic
data show that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on
economically depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may
outweigh the risks of going to war.

More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas,
Pentagon figures show. In contrast, 14 percent come from major cities.
Youths living in the most sparsely populated Zip codes are 22 percent
more likely to join the Army, with an opposite trend in cities.
Regionally, most enlistees come from the South (40 percent) and West
(24 percent).

Many of today's recruits are financially strapped, with nearly half
coming from lower-middle-class to poor households, according to new
Pentagon data based on Zip codes and census estimates of mean
household income. Nearly two-thirds of Army recruits in 2004 came from
counties in which median household income is below the U.S. median.

Such patterns are pronounced in such counties as Martinsville, Va.,
that supply the greatest number of enlistees in proportion to their
youth populations. All of the Army's top 20 counties for recruiting
had lower-than-national median incomes, 12 had higher poverty rates,
and 16 were non-metropolitan, according to the National Priorities
Project, a nonpartisan research group that analyzed 2004 recruiting
data by Zip code.

"A lot of the high recruitment rates are in areas where there is not
as much economic opportunity for young people," said Anita Dancs,
research director for the NPP, based in Northampton, Mass.
----


How can this be, in this wonderful Bush economy?
No jobs but the military.

Ummmm. Because they don't live where the jobs are.

"More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas"
"The" jobs these days seem to be mainly "Mcjob" service sector jobs with
companies offering low wages and no benefits.

And how has that changed since, say 1999?

The trend of losing manufacturing to Mexico or overseas has been going on
for years.

How can we compete with labor prices in China?


By imposing tariffs and using the resulting funds to retrain our workers.


The tariffs have to be selective towards countries, not industries. I
propose that they create a rating system for each country wanting to do
business with us. If that country has labor and environmental standards on
par with the US, they start with, say, 100 points. For each area where a
country's environmental or labor standards are more lax than US standards,
they lose a few points. If that country subsidizes its companies (or the
companies are partially state-owned), they lose even more points. The lower
the total point total when all standards are calculated, the higher the
tariff.

This will help level the playing field without unduly punishing countries
like Canada, or groups of countries like the EU


We don't export much to the PRC these days. What are they going to do?
Stop buying what they don't buy?

The PRC would be close to zero on my point scale.

Harry Krause wrote:



"The" jobs these days seem to be mainly "Mcjob" service sector jobs with
companies offering low wages and no benefits.

Can you imagine if the young people in the military finally figure out
what is going on.....
A revolt in the ranks has happened before and in this
scenario...shouldn't be unexpected.

NOYB wrote:


This will help level the playing field without unduly punishing countries
like Canada, or groups of countries like the EU


All fine & dandy...but..
who's going to police this system? We've already seen that the US can't
be trusted to live up to agreements in resolving conflicts..such as the
'softwood lumber issue' in NAFTA.

"Don White" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:


This will help level the playing field without unduly punishing countries
like Canada, or groups of countries like the EU


All fine & dandy...but..
who's going to police this system? We've already seen that the US can't
be trusted to live up to agreements in resolving conflicts..such as the
'softwood lumber issue' in NAFTA.

Canada and many of our allies have been unfairly treated as a result of our
getting screwed by the likes of China. You always whip your strongest
horse.

Non-uniform standards currently apply in our trade agreements from country
to country. My system would level that playing field, and make it clear to
our trade partners exactly why it is that they're being punished...and what
they can do to rectify it.

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:03:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

NOYB wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Youths in Rural U.S. Are Drawn To Military
Recruits' Job Worries Outweigh War Fears

By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 4, 2005; A01

As sustained combat in Iraq makes it harder than ever to fill the ranks of
the all-volunteer force, newly released Pentagon demographic data show
that the military is leaning heavily for recruits on economically
depressed, rural areas where youths' need for jobs may outweigh the risks
of going to war.

More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas,
Pentagon figures show. In contrast, 14 percent come from major cities.
Youths living in the most sparsely populated Zip codes are 22 percent more
likely to join the Army, with an opposite trend in cities. Regionally,
most enlistees come from the South (40 percent) and West (24 percent).

Many of today's recruits are financially strapped, with nearly half coming
from lower-middle-class to poor households, according to new Pentagon data
based on Zip codes and census estimates of mean household income. Nearly
two-thirds of Army recruits in 2004 came from counties in which median
household income is below the U.S. median.

Such patterns are pronounced in such counties as Martinsville, Va., that
supply the greatest number of enlistees in proportion to their youth
populations. All of the Army's top 20 counties for recruiting had
lower-than-national median incomes, 12 had higher poverty rates, and 16
were non-metropolitan, according to the National Priorities Project, a
nonpartisan research group that analyzed 2004 recruiting data by Zip code.

"A lot of the high recruitment rates are in areas where there is not as
much economic opportunity for young people," said Anita Dancs, research
director for the NPP, based in Northampton, Mass.
----


How can this be, in this wonderful Bush economy?
No jobs but the military.


Ummmm. Because they don't live where the jobs are.

"More than 44 percent of U.S. military recruits come from rural areas"



"The" jobs these days seem to be mainly "Mcjob" service sector jobs with
companies offering low wages and no benefits.

No supervisors being hired/promoted, Harry. You've been preaching this crap for
a while.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

HK

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:12:40 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:


How can we compete with labor prices in China?


By imposing tariffs and using the resulting funds to retrain our workers.

We don't export much to the PRC these days. What are they going to do?
Stop buying what they don't buy?

What effect would the imposition of tariffs have, Harry?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

HK

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:43:40 GMT, Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:



"The" jobs these days seem to be mainly "Mcjob" service sector jobs with
companies offering low wages and no benefits.

Can you imagine if the young people in the military finally figure out
what is going on.....
A revolt in the ranks has happened before and in this
scenario...shouldn't be unexpected.

The young people in *our* military, contrary to the opinions of Harry, know what
is 'going on'.

They joined the military because they felt the benefits were worth the risks.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

HK

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 08:04:25 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:43:40 GMT, Don White wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

"The" jobs these days seem to be mainly "Mcjob" service sector jobs with
companies offering low wages and no benefits.
Can you imagine if the young people in the military finally figure out
what is going on.....
A revolt in the ranks has happened before and in this
scenario...shouldn't be unexpected.

The young people in *our* military, contrary to the opinions of Harry, know what
is 'going on'.

They joined the military because they felt the benefits were worth the risks.


A lot of youngsters join the military because they are poorly educated,
have no job prospects, or are lied to by recruiters, or any combination
of all three.

In the days of the draft, there were some underachievers who stayed in
the military after their period of conscription was up because they knew
they couldn't make it in the real world.

By the way, why are you using a tagline you attribute to my initials
containing a statement I never uttered or implied? Does that have
something to do with the code of honor you learned and practiced in your
Army career?

Does something about the tagline offend thee? When your wife asked the question,
what did you say? What could make you think 'HK' is any reference to you? Didn't
you read Chuck's post about inferring things?

Your knowledge of our military is based on zilch. You've expressed it's limits
many times.
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

HK