Harry Krause wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

The world is at war, Krause. Which side are you on? Do you believe
traitorish fifth columnists should be prosecuted?

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Skipper

"Jeff Rigby" wrote in message
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"Len" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:22:17 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

Perhaps, due to the way the present America was taken by force from
the original inhabitants, war is in the cultural heritage of the us
somewhat seen as a legitimate and effective means to an end, much more
than in europe.

There was a vacumn here as 80% of the origional indians in the eastern and
south easteren continental US were killed by dieases brought in by spanish
explorers. When the english and dutch sought to colonize this country
there
were many unclaimed lands. For the most part, settlers encroached on
indian
lands, were attacked by indians and then the indians were wiped out by the
culturally more advanced settlers.

As to war being a cultural trait, quite the opposite.

Isn't that the truth........most of my ancestors immigrated to escape the
ongoing conflicts in Europe.

Our presidents have
had to resort to many schemes to get us to go to war, even to the point of
letting ourselves be attacked. FYI when we were attacked by Japan (WWII)
our troops were drilling with wooden guns, our navy was a joke, our
torpedoes would not detonate upon impact and we lost many planes, ships
and
men in the opening days of the war. We were not prepared! Our military
was
so shocked by that they have forever demanded that we be prepared.

Our cultural heritage is older, with much more experience in the field of
losing and of what happens if a country is
defeated but also humiliated (ww1, Germany). All european countries
have had their serious defeats and the history books tell all about
it. In europe I grew up (10 years after ww2) with a notion of "war is
hell. It must be prevented as much as possible".

Which is why WWII happened the way it did.


We were shocked again by 9/11, the result is what we have now. Iraq in
large part is necessary as a forward support base for the middle east. We
can not support troops from 2000 or more miles away. In the opening days
of
the Afganistan war we couldn't get support from countries in the region
without threatening them.

But I respect that sometimes not acting is even worse than acting.
When the acting is based on lies, all legitemacy is lost up front.
Retreat is another matter, you will have to take into account what
situation will arise after that. After all you're responsible as a
world-leading nation that has started the war unilaterally.


What lies??? Poor intelligence yes, another reason for invading Iraq is
the
intel missions that are now being staged out of Iraq into neighboring
countries. We now have a feel for the region that wasn't possible before.

One of the reasons that there was such a push to get Saddam to either
allow
inspections or for us to invade was that our troops couldn't fight with
poison gas protective gear on during the summer months. Saddam knew if he
stalled another 4 weeks we would have to cancel an invasion util the next
year.

Regards, Len.

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

The world is at war, Krause. Which side are you on? Do you believe
traitorish fifth columnists should be prosecuted?

Yes. You first. Everything you write smacks of the type of government Stalin
established. You are a criminal. You are not patriotic. You must die.

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Harry Krause wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

The world is at war, Krause. Which side are you on? Do you believe
traitorish fifth columnists should be prosecuted?

When we end up with another democrat in the white house (i.e. incompetent,
stupid and deceitful) I will consider any war they start immoral, in the
meantime, I fully support of toppling of the taliban and Sadam, and those
that "blame america first" like harry, are the truely immoral ones.


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Skipper

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:02:52 +0100, Len wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:49:26 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands

What? where? Oh, now you mention it... Tought it were just some boys
having a bit of fun...

Well, we always turn to the US when it's to do with fighting, don't
we? So, what do you suggest...,
Make firearms more accessible to the people?
Say it's Al Qaeda and invade Pakistan?
Call 'm illegal warriors, open up some camp on an island and put all
these guys in there for years without a trial?

Surprise me,

Regards, Len.

What's the Netherlands doing about the problems they're having with Muslims,
Len? My friend in Stolwyjk seems to think there *is* a developing problem over
there, and that taxes can be raised only so far to keep giving money to folks
who aren't earning it.

Regards,
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:34:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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NOYB wrote:
"Len" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:49:26 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
What? where? Oh, now you mention it... Tought it were just some boys
having a bit of fun...

Well, we always turn to the US when it's to do with fighting, don't
we? So, what do you suggest...,
Make firearms more accessible to the people?
Say it's Al Qaeda and invade Pakistan?
Call 'm illegal warriors, open up some camp on an island and put all
these guys in there for years without a trial?

I like the camp on an island idea. But a better idea would be to get
rid of the governments in the Middle East which support or condone
madrassas that teach young Muslims to hate Israel and the West.





We can't even stabilize a country we've been occupying for three years
with 150,000 troops, and you want us to do the same with a dozen other
countries?

The other countries are the ones working to destabilize the one we're
already fighting in. Cut off the head and the body will wither away and
die.




Iraq was supposed to be "the head", according to your master. How many more
heads do you suppose there are?

From where came *that* bit of propaganda?
--
John H

"It's *not* a baby kicking, bride of mine, it's just a fetus!"

Hypocrital Liberal

Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and deceit.

The world is at war, Krause. Which side are you on? Do you believe
traitorish fifth columnists should be prosecuted?

Save your d.f. jingoism for your calls into reich-wing radio.

Some questions are just too difficult, eh, Krause?

--
Skipper

"John H." wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:34:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"

wrote:


"NOYB" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
"Len" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:49:26 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
What? where? Oh, now you mention it... Tought it were just some boys
having a bit of fun...

Well, we always turn to the US when it's to do with fighting, don't
we? So, what do you suggest...,
Make firearms more accessible to the people?
Say it's Al Qaeda and invade Pakistan?
Call 'm illegal warriors, open up some camp on an island and put all
these guys in there for years without a trial?

I like the camp on an island idea. But a better idea would be to get
rid of the governments in the Middle East which support or condone
madrassas that teach young Muslims to hate Israel and the West.





We can't even stabilize a country we've been occupying for three years
with 150,000 troops, and you want us to do the same with a dozen other
countries?

The other countries are the ones working to destabilize the one we're
already fighting in. Cut off the head and the body will wither away and
die.




Iraq was supposed to be "the head", according to your master. How many
more
heads do you suppose there are?

From where came *that* bit of propaganda?

What do you do to children who aren't paying attention to the teacher? Go
punish yourself.

Harry is upset his Fitzmas party was such a bust

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:

It is immoral to sit safe in your house while you urge that the sons
and
daughters of other families be sent off to foreign lands to fight and
die in a war based on a president's incompetency, stupidity, and
deceit.

The world is at war, Krause. Which side are you on? Do you believe
traitorish fifth columnists should be prosecuted?

Save your d.f. jingoism for your calls into reich-wing radio.

Some questions are just too difficult, eh, Krause?

--
Skipper

P Fritz wrote:

Harry is upset his Fitzmas party was such a bust

He just wishes one could catch a Jew like this today:

http://tinyurl.com/ctlzp

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Skipper