"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
k.net...

Second (following your post) - This is insane. You think you have time to
select a particular spot on your target (the intruder)? How does a laser
sight keep you from exposing your head while taking aim? You can buy a
laser pointer if you really think this stunt will be effective.

I wonder why these things are true.

1) The two largest handgun makers on the planet don't offer models with
laser anything installed, nor do they even sell them as accessories for
users to install themselves. Instead, they offer tritium night sights.

2) In NRA and IDPA tournaments, there are people who shoot so well, they
seem like machines. They don't use laser sights.

3) Every book I've ever read, by instructors like Massad Ayoob, Chuck Taylor
and Gabe Suarez, say best shooting results are obtained when you force
yourself to drop the target out of focus, and bring the gun's sights into
focus.

4) Pistols set up for hunting virtually never include laser sights.

Strange, isn't it?

Laser sights are a terrific thing for rifle use in some situations, but for
anything else, they're just a security blanket.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 13:42:08 GMT, "JIMinFL"
wrote:

I'm thinking you could shine the laser in his eyes to blind him long
enough for you to flip the lights on and identify him before you decide to
puree his vital organs.

That's not a bad idea, but it's hard to accomplish.

This is why there are nice little tactical lights, like those from Surefire
(www.surefire.com). They accomplish both purposes - blind the visitor, and
totally illuminate him.

Racking a shell in a shotgun and snapping the side by side or over and under
is going to scare away most intruders. There is no need for a laser sight on
a shotgun. Just the sight of the barrel will put fear into the intruder.

If you have kids or a spouse you had better not shoot before you identify
your target.


"JIMinFL" wrote in message
k.net...
Skipper, you guys have only spoken of hand guns for defensive purposes.
Are
shotguns not suited to the purpose? Could you give me some pro's and cons
for each type of weapon? Can/could/should a shotgun be fitted with a laser
beam? I'm thinking you could shine the laser in his eyes to blind him long
enough for you to flip the lights on and identify him before you decide to
puree his vital organs. Let me know what you think.
JIMinFL

"Skipper" wrote in message
...
Dan Krueger wrote:

The laser sight can save your life in life threatening situation. It
allows you to protect vital body parts while delivering a fatal blow.
Iron sights do not.

What in the hell are you trying to say? Read what you posted again.

None of us *expect* to be put into life threatening situations by
intruders to our homes...but it does happen. Perhaps the best time to
think about your best course of action should that happen is *before*
the perp enters your home. First, the laser is a great persuader that
has the potential of defusing the situation without firing a shot. That
really is the best resolution. Second, the laser dot allows you to take
aim from many body positions, while iron sights require the shooter to
expose his head while taking aim. Third, the cost of adding laser sights
to a defensive weapon in minuscule when measured against you life. One
can think of laser sights as being cheap life insurance and an
investment in avoiding legal fees.

The laser sights give new meaning to the term, shooting from the hip.
Accurate results can result from that position...laser assisted. Again,
no one expects to be placed in a position to protect your life and
property with a gun, but it does happen, and it's best to be properly
prepared.



--
Skipper

"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my manor.
wrote in message ...
I have decided the only way to handle this is to buy a shotgun and have a
laser sight placed on the shotgun.

You're better off with a tactical light which blinds the visitor and
thoroughly illuminates him. If you have the correct loads in the shotgun,
and you're aimed "roughly" around the center of the target, the first shot
will be enough to quickly change whatever ideas he may have, and if you're
close enough, he may be done for good. The precision of a laser is
completely unnecessary. This is why the shotgun really is the preferred gun
for defense in the home.

It all sounds good, though, until the police take the body out the door and
tell you that YOU have to clean up the mess.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
JimH wrote:
"JIMinFL" wrote in message
k.net...
Skipper, you guys have only spoken of hand guns for defensive purposes.
Are
shotguns not suited to the purpose? Could you give me some pro's and
cons
for each type of weapon? Can/could/should a shotgun be fitted with a
laser
beam? I'm thinking you could shine the laser in his eyes to blind him
long
enough for you to flip the lights on and identify him before you decide
to
puree his vital organs. Let me know what you think.
JIMinFL


The "ka-chuck" sound of loading a shell into the chamber of a pump action
shotgun is a sure way to let any intruder know you mean business without
firing a shot.

Here is an interesting article explaining why the shotgun is perhaps the
best weapon for home defense:

http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/Home.html


I recommend the simpler over and under, or double barrel, or even single
shot shotguns for home defense. Much simpler. Can be very inexpensive.
H&R makes some really nice single-shot shotguns that anyone can afford. I
have one. It's my favorite weapon for killing empty soda cans.

Forget the single shot. At a minimum go with an OandU or a SbyS. The better
choice is a pump with the ability to hole three or more rounds.

Doug,
My post was made in jest. I don't own a gun and don't plan on buying one.

Maybe I should just buy a laser light and attach it to a broom handle.
Opps correction, make that a tactical light attached to a broom handle.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
I have decided the only way to handle this is to buy a shotgun and have a
laser sight placed on the shotgun.

You're better off with a tactical light which blinds the visitor and
thoroughly illuminates him. If you have the correct loads in the shotgun,
and you're aimed "roughly" around the center of the target, the first shot
will be enough to quickly change whatever ideas he may have, and if you're
close enough, he may be done for good. The precision of a laser is
completely unnecessary. This is why the shotgun really is the preferred
gun for defense in the home.

It all sounds good, though, until the police take the body out the door
and tell you that YOU have to clean up the mess.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Bert Robbins wrote:
Just like his buddy Carl Rowen, the now deceased pundit, that was vocally
anti-gun. But, when those kids came around late in the evening to swim in
his pool the first thing he did was to pull out his illegally owned gun
and started to shoot rather than call the police.

Harry is no different in that he belives that the rules and laws do not
apply to him.


"Lord Reginald Smithers" Ask me about my driveway leading up to my
manor. wrote in message ...
LOL, this is so funny watching Harry being a supporter of using
handguns for self defense.




Sorry, Bertbrain and buddy, but:

1. I don't own any illegal weapons, or even weapons I illegally obtained.
2. I don't advocate using handguns for home defense.
3. I don't carry firearms on my person when I leave my home.
4. I shoot *rented* handguns at ranges, and the handguns of friends
on their private property.

If, however, you insist on using a handgun for home defense, then, yes, I
think a semi-auto is a better choice.






So, what you have posited is just more simple-minded, right-wing idiocy.

Wrong, you have said numerous times that you will shoot first and ask
questions later if some of the righties appear at your door.

"Dan Krueger" wrote in message
nk.net...
Skipper wrote:

Dan Krueger wrote:


Read...and learn:


http://www.crimsontrace.com/5things.pdf


Sure, if the guy is looking at his shirt instead of you. How do they
help for home protection? Do you think a confrontation like that last
for more than 10 seconds? You have been watching too many moves, Dave.


An intruder break into your home. You confront him with a laser dot
bouncing on his chest and command the perp, "freeze or your dead." What
does the perp do? What do you do? Does it remind you of those words from
the Godfather movie regarding what Michael holds in his hand when he
emerges from the mens room?

--
Skipper

An intruder breaks into your home. You are sitting on the couch in the
dark with a fully loaded .45 with a laser.

Is that how it happens, Dave? Not in my house. I have guns. Loaded
guns. But I don't walk around with one. Again...you have been watching
too many movies, Dave.

Well....I have to admit that I keep a loaded gun in the drawer under the
main work surface in the kitchen. Certain people, who shall go unnamed here,
refuse to understand "the triangle" - the area most traveled when someone's
busy making dinner. I've tried pleading, threats, everything. I don't know
any other way to deal with it at this point.

"Lord Reginald Smithers" The fastest and most accurate Gun in the World
wrote in message ...
Doug,
My post was made in jest. I don't own a gun and don't plan on buying one.

Maybe I should just buy a laser light and attach it to a broom handle.
Opps correction, make that a tactical light attached to a broom handle.

I like the idea of fortified basement windows, which, according to the
police, is the preferred entry point for the vast majority of intruders. I
also have deadbolts on the basement door, although they're not
laser-assisted.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dan Krueger wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

Skipper wrote:

Shortwave Sportfishing wrote:

Skipper wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted
with
laser grips or a Glock auto?
.357 mag revolver or a .44 mag revolver.
Simple, effective and never break down.
"I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin', did he fire six
shots or only five? And to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all
this excitement. But bein' this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful
handgun in the world, and it'll blow your head clean off, you could
ask
yourself a question. Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

- Harry Callahan

--
Skipper

Great line, great delivery, but inaccurate. The .454 Casull, for one.
was and is "more powerful."

Not sure, but I don't think that load existed at the time the movie was
made.


Dick Casull developed the .454 Casull in 1957 and announced it in 1959
in Guns and Ammo magazine. If I'm on your "holiday shopping list," I'd
like a 454 wheelgun from Freedom Arms.

Can you afford to shoot it? What is it now, $3.50 per shot?

About a buck and a half, I think. I looked it up once in the Natchez
catalog. Just for grins.

It's a silly caliber, unless you're out in the woods somewhere, and you
run across a hungry, large bear.

Have you seen the new piece offered by Ruger? 5 shot .454, 3" barrel. A last
resort gun for people who spend lots of time in serious bear country. Just
read a review where the guy said is "wasn't so bad to shoot". Right. And I'm
the king of Denmark.