Harry Krause wrote:

Skipper wrote:
NOYB wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

I'd take the Glock 18C.

33 rounds in a second a half.

Is your goal to kill or defuse the defensive situation?

If you're a civvie pulling a handgun, you better be intent on using it,
not defusing with it.

Wrong. If its kids breaking in to your home and you're in a defensive
position, the laser is the best option. A shame that air cop didn't try
to defuse.

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Harry Krause wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on the
Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you need them,
lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the semi-auto mechanism is
inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's.

You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a
chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds
more than three times the number of rounds.

Any auto is inherently dangerous for the occasional user *particularly*
in a stressful situation. The double action is much safer. Further, the
persuasive nature of the laser cannot be underestimated to defuse the
situation. The better *defensive* weapon is the S&W.

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Skipper

Why do you think an auto is more dangerous?

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:
NOYB wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

I'd take the Glock 18C.

33 rounds in a second a half.

Is your goal to kill or defuse the defensive situation?

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Skipper


If you're a civvie pulling a handgun, you better be intent on using it,
not defusing with it.

"Prepared to go all the way" is correct. Knowing how to NOT go all the way
is preferred. Call your attorney and ask this question:

"God forbid I have to ever use my gun on an intruder in my home, do you have
the name of an attorney I'd need to call afterward?"

I asked mine this question. She gave me the names of three very experienced
criminal attorneys. Even if you are correct in using the gun, even if it was
caught on videotape and the perp had a criminal record as long as your arm,
you'll still be briefly treated like a criminal. Better to avoid it.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Don White wrote:


Might be better to take your angle cutter pliers and cut the plug off.

ooops......... meant *diagonal cutters*

Could I use a meat cleaver or pruning shears?

Doug Kanter wrote:

Any auto is inherently dangerous for the occasional user *particularly*
in a stressful situation. The double action is much safer. Further, the
persuasive nature of the laser cannot be underestimated to defuse the
situation. The better *defensive* weapon is the S&W.

Why do you think an auto is more dangerous?

Far more likely to fire an unintended round while aimed at the perp.
Both guns can kill, the double action is the safer gun in the hands of a
nervous owner...for obvious reasons. There must be the threat of bodily
harm *before* pulling the trigger.

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Skipper

Doug Kanter wrote:

If you're a civvie pulling a handgun, you better be intent on using it,
not defusing with it.

"Prepared to go all the way" is correct. Knowing how to NOT go all the way
is preferred. Call your attorney and ask this question:

"God forbid I have to ever use my gun on an intruder in my home, do you have
the name of an attorney I'd need to call afterward?"

I asked mine this question. She gave me the names of three very experienced
criminal attorneys. Even if you are correct in using the gun, even if it was
caught on videotape and the perp had a criminal record as long as your arm,
you'll still be briefly treated like a criminal. Better to avoid it.

Well stated! Do you have a law enforcement background?

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Skipper

"Skipper" wrote in message
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Doug Kanter wrote:

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted
with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

How long is the barrel on your gun?

Three inch barrel.

.357 magnum rounds do not achieve proper velocity with less than a 6 inch
barrel. The result is that hollow points will not expand properly, per
manufacturers' tests. This is why police departments abandoned them many
years ago. Hollow points were behaving like ball ammo and passing right
through perps, doing no more damage than smaller rounds. Perps were still
able to leave, or act nasty.

Do you know if those conclusions would be true if .38 specials were
chambered?

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Skipper

Slightly better.

You and Harry owe it to yourselves to own a copy of "Combat Handgunnery", by
Chuck Taylor. You could share it, or read it to each other. Or, live large
and buy your own copies.

"Don White" wrote in message
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I've never owned a handgun and probably never will.
Just wondering...which style is the most reliable......less chance of
jambing?

It, most likely, would be the one that I own. Single shot, 45 Cal. Zoli.

Jim C.

Harry Krause wrote:
Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Skipper wrote:

Harry Krause wrote:

I've fitted Crimson Trace Laser grips to my S/W .357 magnum on the
theory that once the perp realizes there is a bright red dot moving
about the middle of his chest a motivation change will result.
Thus, no
need to pull the trigger...the ultimate *defensive* weapon.

When did you get a pardon? Ex-felons aren't usually allowed
ownership of
handguns. Even wheel guns.

So, which is the better *defensive* handgun, a S&W .357 mag fitted with
laser grips or a Glock auto?

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Skipper

I'd take a Glock 34 any day over that wheelgun. Fully legal mag on
the Glock holds 17 rounds, standard barrel is 5" long, and if you
need them, lasergrips are available. Oh, and my guess is the
semi-auto mechanism is inherently more accurate than the wheelgun's.

You have a single or double action wheelgun? If double, you keep a
chamber empty for safety's sake? If so, that means the G34 mag holds
more than three times the number of rounds.


You've got it backwards. Single action guns are more likely to be a
problem with the hammer closed on a loaded chamber. And, unless his
gun is ancient, it has a transfer bar.

The single-action Ruger wheelgun I sometimes shoot has a transfer bar.
In fact, I believe all Ruger single-actions these days have transfer bars.

I'd still prefer a G34 for "defense" over that snubby wheelgun. Fast,
accurate, light, 5" barrel, hardly any slap, 17-round mags with the
ability to slap a fresh, loaded mag in far faster than you can reload a
wheel gun.


I've never owned a handgun and probably never will.
Just wondering...which style is the most reliable......less chance of
jambing?

Wow, Harry, you really seem to be great at everything you do.

I am impressed.

Not only are you great at everything you do, but your health is perfect.
Are you still 165 lbs?
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 13:00:53 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

*JimH* wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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John H. wrote:
On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:26:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Don White wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
Bert Robbins wrote:

"Jim Carter" wrote in message
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"Bert Robbins" wrote in message
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It means they were properly trained to handle and use firearms.

One shot, one kill.
I had heard on the news today that there were many shots fired.
Does that
mean that several people were killed that we don't know about?
It means that when you fire your weapon you hit what you are
aiming at.

If six guys aimed at the same person then that person should have
six bullets in him.


Something you learned from your years of weekend warrior combat
experience guarding the loo, Bertie?

Bert would have lobbed half a dozen artillery shells at the
hapless victim...from a safe distance of course.
I have a feeling Bert would need a half dozen boxes of ammo to hit
the side of a barn. Accuracy with firearms requires regular
practice. I go to one of three ranges at least once a month,
year-around. Most of the cops I see at the ranges are there about
every other week. I've asked them about that. It's fun to shoot with
cops, because they sometimes have "unusual" guns with them, and
they'll let you pop off a few rounds if they recognize you and you
ask.
LOL!

What a joke!

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You planning to meet me at the Gilbert range near you, to show off
your military prowess with a handgun, Herring?

I also go out to the Blue Ridge facility in Chantilly. I've not seen
you there, either. Or at the MSAR.

I suspect what you shoot off these days is...your mouth.
You are proud of your guns, rifles and shotguns, and rightfully so.
You stated you will use them to protect you and your wife against an
intruder, perhaps whose sole intention is only to steal your super fast
computer.

Yet air marshals who are assigned to protect us should not use their
guns when confronting a suicide bomber.

Interesting.


A. I believe in home defense.

B. I would only shoot an intruder whom I perceived to
be a physical threat.

C. The dead guy was not a suicide bomber. Or any other kind of bomber.

D. I suspect Herring, with his vision, would not be able to hit a
man-sized target with a handgun from 25 yards.

Not on the first shot, but I've learned how to adjust. Of course, I don't
go bragging about what I
shoot, how well I shoot, where I shoot, and with whom I shoot.

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Gosharoonie. I can hit a small pie-plate sized target at 25 yards with a
semi-auto handgun the first shot and almost every shot, if I concentrate,
and you have to adjust to hit a "man-sized" target?

I suspect you don't "shoot" at all, with a handgun or otherwise.

Is your bad aim another reason why we lost in Vietnam?




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