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If you look carefully in the distance I think you can see our friend
"Scupper" chasing after it. Or maybe it's Chuck chasing Scupper
chasing the Skookum. Who knows. :-)

Interesting boat in any case but not everyone's cup'o'tea. It makes
our Grand Banks look like a speedboat, but then again we don't have a
range under power of 5,000 nautical miles.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:36:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Nice photo, but it looks like a dismasted motorsailor. I thought Derby
and Wichita were closer than 5000 miles.

Man, you'd need one hell of a pickup truck to tow that barge.

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For sure. It weighs 80,000 lbs and has an 8 ft draft among other
things. Apparently there was an option to get them with a sailing
rig. Although this one did not, it had a small mast to support the
outriggers.

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:04:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:36:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Nice photo, but it looks like a dismasted motorsailor. I thought Derby
and Wichita were closer than 5000 miles.

Man, you'd need one hell of a pickup truck to tow that barge.

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For sure. It weighs 80,000 lbs and has an 8 ft draft among other
things. Apparently there was an option to get them with a sailing
rig. Although this one did not, it had a small mast to support the
outriggers.

80,000 pounds?

Good lord.

Not much more than my Navigator when I have a few of my beer drinking
friends aboard.

Eisboch

On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 23:58:53 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

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alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean

If you look carefully in the distance I think you can see our friend
"Scupper" chasing after it. Or maybe it's Chuck chasing Scupper
chasing the Skookum. Who knows. :-)

Interesting boat in any case but not everyone's cup'o'tea. It makes
our Grand Banks look like a speedboat, but then again we don't have a
range under power of 5,000 nautical miles.

Nice boat and nice pictures!
--
John H

**** May your Christmas be Spectacular!****
*****...and your New Year even Better!*****

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:09:27 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:04:25 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 07:36:42 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Nice photo, but it looks like a dismasted motorsailor. I thought Derby
and Wichita were closer than 5000 miles.

Man, you'd need one hell of a pickup truck to tow that barge.

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For sure. It weighs 80,000 lbs and has an 8 ft draft among other
things. Apparently there was an option to get them with a sailing
rig. Although this one did not, it had a small mast to support the
outriggers.

80,000 pounds?

Good lord.

Not much more than my Navigator when I have a few of my beer drinking
friends aboard.

I'm not used to hearing terms like 80,000 pounds for boats. :)

My Ranger only weighs 2,800 lbs and the Contender a little over
10,000.

The Princecraft is a little over 600 lbs with me in it.

I guess when I think about it, 80,000 for a 50 plus footer iisn't that
outrageous.

Yeah, it kinda is. The Navigator with full water tank and both fuel tanks
filled weighs around 43,000 lbs. And it's 52'- 8" LOA. In this day and age
of light boat designs it's considered fairly heavy.

80,000 lbs must feel like driving a submarine half submerged.

Eisboch

"Shortwave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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Hey, what do I know - I'm not in the same class as you guys with the
50 footers. Whole different ball game.


Rule No. 1

If your boat, of any size or weight, starts feeling like a half submerged
submarine, prepare to abandon ship!

Eisboch

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:15:01 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

80,000 pounds? 8' draft?

What's the point?

An eight foot draft is a real hindrance to a pleasure boater NOT wanting
to spend all his days on the high seas.

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Like I said, it's not for everyone. The boat was designed for long
range cruising under power, i.e., able to cross oceans and survive
seriously bad weather along the way. Too that end it shares many of
the same characteristics of offshore sailboats: Heavy ballast, deep
full length keel, small windows/ports, strong water tight hatches,
etc.

The people who own the boat would be the first to agree that the 8 ft
draft can be a serious hindrance. It wouldn't get very far here in
SWFL and lots of other places. We first met them in Baltimore inner
harbor where they were docked next to us for a few days, and ran into
them later at Solomons Island and in North Carolina. Nice folks with
a lot of cruising experience. Last I heard they were in the Leeward
Islands heading for Trinidad and Venezuela, and are probably there by
now. Try doing that in your average production boat.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 16:08:03 GMT, Shortwave Sportfishing
wrote:

I wonder if I could to that in my Contender? :)

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At great speed, if you can find enough gas stations along the way!

We are always amused to see faster boats that pass us stopped at the
next fuel dock as we go by. It's very much a tortise and hare kind of
situation when covering long distances, and we see it a lot. We can
run 5 straight days, 120 continuous hours, at slow cruising speed
without refueling. That will get us at least 1,000 nautical miles
down the road if need be. After that we need a fill up and an oil
change.

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:52:28 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'd rather fly to Trinidad or Venezuela, and rent a boat when I get there.

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Makes sense on a short vacation. They were planning to spend the
winter.

Harry Krause wrote:
Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:52:28 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

I'd rather fly to Trinidad or Venezuela, and rent a boat when I get
there.


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Makes sense on a short vacation. They were planning to spend the
winter.



I'd still rather fly down there, and rent a place to stay AND rent a
small boat.


Same here. My sense of adventure is tempered by a tendency to get seasick.